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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:38 AM Original message |
William Greider: Here is the ugly truth - the pinnacle of the US financial system is broke |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. Why do we say these assets are worthless? |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Its not the houses, it the multiple bets that were made on the same house (mortgage) |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. You beat me to it by 1 minute, see post #4 and be well! |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. "These assets" are not houses... |
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Cassandra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Actually, it exceeds the value... |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Really? Do you have articles that point to that estimate or something? |
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Cassandra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. There was a link a while back... |
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Lochloosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Here you go. 62.2 TRILLION DOLLARS Wrap your brain around that one. |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Oh jeez. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. and the REAL "next shoe" to drop is the 2 trillion or so owed to credit cards |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. The houses back the mortgages that failed |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
30. Yes, but mortgages have value because houses have value and they are the collateral. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. But if that house is sold ten times to a different buyer..? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Yes but not everyone collected the premium 30 times on that mortgage. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. This is not that complicated. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. because the assets |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Because the assets aren't the houses. The "assets" are the 30 or 40 |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Capitalism is a big scam |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Wow, did you get your answer yet? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Not every institution is screwed up with Credit Default Swaps. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Okay. They should have. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. They don't even know what the exposures are. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. LOL |
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Sophree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Yes, at least I did |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. not just fear |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. Fuckwads. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
9. Why is Greider ignoring the Federal Reserve role? |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Great question - Bloomberg Sues The Fed; Transparency At The FED |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
12. But aren't there two sides to every one of those bets? |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. That is fun. Very close to the mark. Just off enough to be fun. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Thank God It Passed! |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
15. K&R |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
18. Broke, sure, but with the rest in stasis so it can haunt Obama. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
21. "The Democrats should be equally embarrassed. " |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. We are being governed by "dupes".. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
28. Here is the bottom line: |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. What the 700 billion was really for |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I like your plan, I wish it would be Obama's plan. Fat chance, of course. (nt) |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
38. We need to understand that it was the banks.... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
39. The real killer is that $700B (really way more, but let's use the number everybody knows) |
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