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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 10:58 PM
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Has the DLC gotten its hooks into Pres. Obama?
Just asking . . . gee I hope not. I've had such high hopes and affection for him.

Am disappointed in some of his choices, but I trust his judgment so far; we'll see how he handles everything soon enough so there's plenty of time to criticize.

Only Obama can save Dr. Dean from Carville and the DLC'ers. The high-ranking Dems are as much in lockstep as the Republicans were it seems. Too bad for Bush, he could have used some healthy criticism from his own party.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:00 PM
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1. save him by replacing him. ok. nt
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:03 PM
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2. It's too late... Obama has totally sold out to the DLC
then again, I really think Obama always has been a secret member of the DLC. Only now he has to come out of the closet. If you didn't think he was a DLC'er, then why is he appointing Hillary as SOS. I rest my case.










:sarcasm: That was pretty good, wasn't it?!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:05 PM
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4. Obama always was DLC. That is why I preferred Edwards.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:13 PM
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7. Not that I expect you to understand this, but
My ORIGINAL candidate was John Edwards *gasp* I know, and me a *gasp* DLCer!

Then I switched to supporting Senator Clinton.

I've always liked John Edwards, my 2004 ticket was Wesley Clark/John Edwards or John Edwards/Wesley Clark....either combination would have TOTALLY cleaned the Bush/Cheney clock.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:18 PM
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12. Edwards was DLC
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 11:21 PM by Juche
He was a member of the New Democrat coalition. He got more radical with age though, so that is good. I was a supporter of his too until the day he dropped out, when I went to Obama.

Obama asked the DLC to remove his name from a list of '100 to watch' back in 2003

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html


“I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC,” said Obama, in a statement that substantially reflects a telephone conversation with Associate Editor Bruce Dixon, this weekend. “It does appear that, without my knowledge, the DLC…listed me in their ‘New Democrat’ directory,” Obama continued. “Because I agree that such a directory implies membership, I will be calling the DLC to have my name removed, and appreciate your having brought this fact to my attention.”

http://www.blackcommentator.com/47/47_cover.html

Illinois State Senator Barack Obama rejects any “suggestion” that “inclusion of my name” on a Democratic Leadership Council/New Democrats membership list amounts to “an endorsement on my part of the DLC platform.”

In a June 13 letter to The Black Commentator, the Black candidate for U.S. Senate defended his civil liberties, anti-war, and social welfare legislative record, and requested “that folks take the time to find out what my views are before they start questioning my passion for justice or the integrity of my campaign effort.”
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:04 PM
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3. Nope. nt
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:10 PM
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5. President Obama made it clear during the campaign that he was going to govern from the Center
If he got elected, so I don't know why some people now appear to be shocked that, yes, he's making it clear he's going to govern from the Center.

"Only Obama can save Dr. Dean from Carville and the DLC'ers."

Huh? WHAT exactly do you think we're going to "do" with Howard Dean? He's certainly in no danger from his fellow Democrats at the DLC....and I've actually come to greatly respect Howard Dean the past two years, sure we have some differences on issues, but I realize that he's a valuable and talented asset to our party....I wish he'd stay as DNC Chairman, but he's not going to.

I hold out hope that President Obama appoints Howard Dean to Surgeon-General or something.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:15 PM
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9. You're a DLC'er and I love you anyway..... nt
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:23 PM
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15. Shucks thanks....I love you anyway as well :) n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:15 PM
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10. Rahm et al tried to get rid of him as DNC chair before and now
they have made it impossible for him to stay. Wasn't Rahm the one who said the 50 state strategy was Rumsfeldian in its incompetence? Yes, the DLC has always hated Dean, if for no other reason than he made them look bad without even trying.

SG is not an option for Dean. He doesn't have the public health policy background.

Whatever. If we lose him, it will be so much our loss.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:22 PM
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14. Well I would like Howard Dean in the Cabinet somewhere, he needs a reward
For the part he played in our stunning victories these past few years.

I originally didn't like Howard Dean, but I came to recognize that he had some good ideas and I personally believe that Howard Dean has been the best DNC Chairman for a VERY long time.

Not EVERY DLCer agrees 100% all of the time on 100% of the issues with every other DLCer....I mean, many of us, like myself, do have an independent thought process and refuse to be ANYBODY'S rubberstamp and parrot.

It's a shame that Howard Dean can't be S-G....dunno what about Health and Human Services, or has someone already been chosen for that?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:52 PM
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23. Daschle. I wasn't a Deaniac myself. But Dean is the best thing
that has happened to this party in a long time. And it wasn't all about him, it was about the party.

That doesn't happen every day.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:56 PM
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28. Not sure about Tom Daschle myself
But I trust President Obama's instincts on his Cabinet choices.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:10 PM
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6. No, I think he honestly believes he needs their opinions
Nothing wrong with that, so long as he doesnt let them call the shots.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:13 PM
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8. obama is representative of the center and the dlc says they are
representative of the center -- it would make sense that they would see eye to eye on a set number of issues.

less so on others.

'change' will largely be in the eye of the beholder.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:17 PM
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11. "Center" is wrong at this time, in my opinion
We've been governed so far to the right for the last 8 years we're almost horizontal. Center policies won't straighten the ship out fast enough. We need some sharp lefts and then a tinkering down to center or we'll never get there.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:32 PM
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18. doesn't matter -- obama is a centrist. nt
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:35 PM
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19. And that is disappointing. n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:18 PM
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13. I'm not worried.
I have faith in his obvious intelligence and I think he will realize early on that Republican Lite isn't going to save the country either.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:25 PM
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16. Text of Obama's rejection of the DLC back in 2003
http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

Dear Black Commentator:

Let me begin by saying that I’ve enjoyed the dialogue that we seem to be developing on these e-pages, and hope it continues as my campaign progresses.

I also appreciate your desire to focus on specific issues that should be of interest to all progressives, both inside and outside of the Democratic Party. My views on universal health care, the unilateral use of force in Iraq, and NAFTA are in fact what you might expect given my previous history and voting record.

I favor universal health care for all Americans, and intend to introduce or sponsor legislation toward that end in the U.S. Senate, just as I have at the state level. My campaign is also developing a series of interim proposals – such as an expansion of the successful SCHIP program – so that we can immediately provide more coverage to uninsured children and their families.

I would have voted against the October 10th congressional resolution authorizing the President to use unilateral force against Iraq. I believe that we could have effectively neutralized Iraq with a rigorous, multilateral inspection regime backed by coalition forces. Nothing since the end of the formal fighting has led me to reconsider this stance; indeed, the inability of Saddam Hussein to mount even token resistance to American forces, the failure to discover any significant, deployable arsenals of biological or chemical weapons inside Iraq, and the on-going turmoil currently taking place in post-war Iraq, have only strengthened my views on the subject.

And although I believe that free trade - when also fair - can benefit workers in both rich and poor nations, I think that the current NAFTA regime lacks the worker and environmental protections that are necessary for the long-term prosperity of both America and its trading partners. I would therefore favor, at minimum, a significant renegotiation of NAFTA and the terms of the President’s fast track authority.

You are undoubtedly correct that these positions make me an unlikely candidate for membership in the DLC. That is why I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC. As I stated in my previous letter, I agreed to be listed as “100 to watch” by the DLC. That’s been the extent of my contact with them. It does appear that, without my knowledge, the DLC also listed me in their “New Democrat” directory. Because I agree that such a directory implies membership, I will be calling the DLC to have my name removed, and appreciate your having brought this fact to my attention.



I do think a broader question remains on the table. What is the best strategy for building majority support for a progressive agenda, and for reversing the rightward drift of this country?

One important part of that strategy - and on this I think we agree - is for progressives within the Democratic Party to describe our core values (e.g. racial justice, civil liberties, opportunity for the many, and not just the few) in clear, unambiguous terms.

A second part of that strategy - and again, I think we agree here - is to stake out clear positions on issues that put those values into action (e.g. the need for universal health care), and to stand up for those values when they are under assault (e.g. opposition to the Patriot Act).

But the third part of this part of the equation – and on this we may disagree – must be to gain converts to our positions. My job, as a candidate for the U.S. Senate, isn’t to scold people for their lack of ideological purity. It’s to persuade as many people as I can, across the ideological spectrum, that my vision of the future is compatible with their values, and can make their lives a little bit better. Thus, while I may favor common-sense gun control laws, that doesn’t keep me from reaching out to NRA members who are worried about their lack of health insurance. I favor affirmative action, but I’m still going after the votes of white union members who oppose affirmative action, because I think I can convince them that it’s Bush’s economic agenda, and not affirmative action, that is eroding their job security and stagnating their wages. And while I may object to the misogyny and materialism of much of rap culture, I’m still going to spend the time reaching out to a hip-hop generation in search of a future.

In other words, I believe that politics in any democracy is a game of addition, not subtraction. And I believe deeply enough in the decency of the American people to think that progressives can build a winning majority in this country, so long as we’re not afraid to speak the truth, and so long as we don’t write off big chunks of the electorate just because they don’t agree with us on every issue.

All of which explains why I’m not likely to launch blanket denunciations of the DLC or any other faction within the Democratic Party. I intend to engage DLC members, just like I intend to engage everybody else that I can during the next year of campaigning, in a conversation about the direction our country needs to take to give ordinary working families a fair shake. In some instances, I may even agree with DLC positions: their insistence on the value of national service, or the need to harden domestic targets like chemical plants from potential terrorist attack, to cite a few examples I just pulled from the DLC web-site, make sense to me. Where I disagree with them – and, as we have already discussed, I disagree with them strongly on a lot of major issues - I intend to let them know, firmly and without equivocation, just why I think they are wrong.

To some, this approach may appear naïve; to others, it may appear that I’m headed down a path of dangerous compromise. All I can tell you is that in my twenty years as an organizer, civil rights lawyer, and state senator, I’ve always trusted my moral compass, and have thus far avoided compromising my core values for the sake of ambition or expedience. Hopefully, by listening to the people I seek to serve, and with the occasional jab from friendly critics like The Black Commentator, I can stay on that course, and ultimately do some good as the next U.S. Senator from the state of Illinois.

Sincerely,

State Senator Barack Obama

Candidate for the U.S. Senate
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:32 PM
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17. This letter essentially provides the rationale as to how he will govern.
Thank you for it, as I had never read the entire letter.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:36 PM
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20. He is right on refusing to purge moderates
I don't agree with the DLC on their views of unions or the war in Iraq, but we shouldn't be purging them from the ranks. Progressives need their votes on issues we agree with them on like fighting climate change, college affordability, higher minimum wages, etc.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:40 PM
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21. Yes we are Democrats too
And as such we can agree on more things than we can disagree on....and I don't think we have ever suggested that our more Liberal cousins in the Democratic Party should be purged from our party either.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:58 PM
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24. So much for the lie that he's not a progressive. This letter proves that he is, in fact, one of us.
NT!

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 12:24 AM
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25. Good line and good point:
"In other words, I believe that politics in any democracy is a game of addition, not subtraction. And I believe deeply enough in the decency of the American people to think that progressives can build a winning majority in this country, so long as we’re not afraid to speak the truth, and so long as we don’t write off big chunks of the electorate just because they don’t agree with us on every issue."

He just proved that it's a winning strategy. What is so impressive is his consistency over the past five years...I have NOT been happy with every one of his actions during the campaign and since then (his vote on the FISA telecom immunity still galls me), but it's hard to accuse him of being a flip-flopper. Great letter!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 11:42 PM
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22. I'd like to think Obama is choosing seasoned people who know how to push his...
...progressive agenda through, rather than that he's been captured, so to speak.

In addition to hiring experience, maybe Obama also thinks choosing centrists gives him some cover ~ suddenly his green revolution, universal healthcare and infrastructure/jobs program looks like problem solving instead of going socialist. lol
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:02 AM
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26. That's how I see it.
He's gonna make liberalism mainstream....and do it with what will be called Centrists. Gives "R"s cover for voting in the affirmative on his proposals as well.

Some folks are just strategically intelligent. I count Obama in those numbers.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 07:34 AM
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27. Yeah, it's brilliant, sneaky and probably necessary...
A lot of people don't realize how liberal they actually are ~ they've just bought into Republican fearmongering.

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