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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 09:26 AM
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Tell me about the Urban Farms DUers
I'm watching on CBS now
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 09:35 AM
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1. Explain? What are you watching?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 09:38 AM
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2. CBS had a nice feature on the spread of urban farms
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 09:40 AM by malaise
and green markets in Chicago and Philadelphia. I was wondering how many cities had these farms. I like the idea big time - fresh vegetables and less transportation costs. I like the idea of keeping the money in the neighborhood. We have quite a few of them here in Jamaica and they're popular in Cuba.

I'll see what I can find on the web. This one is cute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSHYjAj6U3Y

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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 11:13 AM
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4. oops..sorry... wrong subthread...
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 11:14 AM by MazeRat7
edit: moved post to main thread.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 11:12 AM
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3. Didn't see that clip but
one of the most transformative is in Milwaukee. Will Allen, the fellow who runs it just received a MacArthur Grant. It is called "Growing Power" and is influencing many others in urban areas.

Here is one of several sites to acquaint you with its work and impact.

http://www.milwaukeerenaissance.com/Main/VirtualTourOfGrowingPower

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:48 PM
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15. Thanks for that link
:D
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 11:15 AM
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5. We have one - sort of...
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 11:17 AM by MazeRat7
We grew most of our produce this year in our garden, we just purchased 3 chickens and have plans to get 2 more, we are harvesting our rain-water for irrigation of all the gardens, we make all our own mulch and most of our firewood (I'm in South Texas so we don't need much firewood), and we make lots of things here at the house from candles to canned items from the garden to small pieces of furniture.

Yes I live in an upscale neighborhood with loads of SUV's, uber-consumers, and a wickedly strict HOA. But we have managed to fly under the radar for the past 2 years. My lot is only about 1/2 an acre and has a 3000 sq foot home on it, but we still have the room to do this and much more.

The two of us have a lot more planned for our little corner of the world and it's all about becoming more self-sufficient.

My only advise is start small and do a little bit every season.

Peace,
MZr7
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:43 PM
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10. Thanks
Sounds great.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 11:33 AM
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6. I know someone who went to this conference about them
and other topics too I guess.

http://healthyfoodconference.com/

http://www.foodsecurity.org/events.html

My impression is that it's taking off as a cost savings, part of local food movement, etc. Challenges are training, good soil (lots of heavy metals problems in some cities), etc.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:43 PM
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11. Thanks for those links
:hi:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 12:51 PM
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7. Here's a site that shows a project for vertical farms for cities
he use of land is greatly reduced by having the farm go upwards instead of outwards.

http://verticalfarm.org/Designs.aspx
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:44 PM
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12. I saw that on TV
Very interesting indeed
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:35 PM
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8. I have a small urban farm in my backyard.
It's called a "garden." Hee.

I plan to add chickens as soon as I can.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:46 PM
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13. I have one of those LOL
One of my cousins started an inner city farm for poor youths. They started with chickens then planted vegetables. It's still successful after two decades.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:18 PM
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9. Farmer in Chief
I am a huge Michael Pollan fan. This recent article of his, a letter to the president-elect, is a must read. It is long but I recommend it highly.

Farmer in Chief

October 12, 2008
Dear Mr. President-Elect,

It may surprise you to learn that among the issues that will occupy much of your time in the coming years is one you barely mentioned during the campaign: food. Food policy is not something American presidents have had to give much thought to, at least since the Nixon administration--the last time high food prices presented a serious political peril. Since then, federal policies to promote maximum production of the commodity crops (corn, soybeans, wheat and rice) from which most of our supermarket foods are derived have succeeded impressively in keeping prices low and food more or less off the national political agenda. But with a suddenness that has taken us all by surprise, the era of cheap and abundant food appears to be drawing to a close. What this means is that you, like so many other leaders through history, will find yourself confronting the fact--so easy to overlook these past few years--that the health of a nation's food system is a critical issue of national security. Food is about to demand your attention.

Complicating matters is the fact that the price and abundance of food are not the only problems we face; if they were, you could simply follow Nixon's example, appoint a latter-day Earl Butz as your secretary of agriculture and instruct him or her to do whatever it takes to boost production. But there are reasons to think that the old approach won't work this time around; for one thing, it depends on cheap energy that we can no longer count on. For another, expanding production of industrial agriculture today would require you to sacrifice important values on which you did campaign. Which brings me to the deeper reason you will need not simply to address food prices but to make the reform of the entire food system one of the highest priorities of your administration: unless you do, you will not be able to make significant progress on the health care crisis, energy independence or climate change. Unlike food, these are issues you did campaign on -- but as you try to address them you will quickly discover that the way we currently grow, process and eat food in America goes to the heart of all three problems and will have to change if we hope to solve them. Let me explain.

After cars, the food system uses more fossil fuel than any other sector of the economy -- 19 percent. And while the experts disagree about the exact amount, the way we feed ourselves contributes more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere than anything else we do -- as much as 37 percent, according to one study. Whenever farmers clear land for crops and till the soil, large quantities of carbon are released into the air. But the 20th-century industrialization of agriculture has increased the amount of greenhouse gases emitted by the food system by an order of magnitude; chemical fertilizers (made from natural gas), pesticides (made from petroleum), farm machinery, modern food processing and packaging and transportation have together transformed a system that in 1940 produced 2.3 calories of food energy for every calorie of fossil-fuel energy it used into one that now takes 10 calories of fossil-fuel energy to produce a single calorie of modern supermarket food. Put another way, when we eat from the industrial-food system, we are eating oil and spewing greenhouse gases. This state of affairs appears all the more absurd when you recall that every calorie we eat is ultimately the product of photosynthesis -- a process based on making food energy from sunshine. There is hope and possibility in that simple fact.


more: http://www.michaelpollan.com/article.php?id=97
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:47 PM
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14. Great letter
Thanks
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 04:34 PM
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16. Another Pollan fan! I printed that out to read the whole long thing - hope Obama got it! nt
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 04:53 PM
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17. I was curious about that too and found this:
It's from an interview of Barak Obama in Time http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/10/23/the_full_obama_interview/ He gets it!



PeBO: The biggest problem with our energy policy has been to lurch from crisis to trance. And what we need is a sustained, serious effort. Now, I actually think the biggest opportunity right now is not just gas prices at the pump but the fact that the engine for economic growth for the last 20 years is not going to be there for the next 20, and that was consumer spending. I mean, basically, we turbo-charged this economy based on cheap credit. Whatever else we think is going to happen over the next certainly 5 years, one thing we know, the days of easy credit are going to be over because there is just too much de-leveraging taking place, too much debt both at the government level, corporate level and consumer level. And what that means is that just from a purely economic perspective, finding the new driver of our economy is going to be critical. There is no better potential driver that pervades all aspects of our economy than a new energy economy.

I was just reading an article in the New York Times by Michael Pollen about food and the fact that our entire agricultural system is built on cheap oil. As a consequence, our agriculture sector actually is contributing more greenhouse gases than our transportation sector. And in the mean time, it's creating monocultures that are vulnerable to national security threats, are now vulnerable to sky-high food prices or crashes in food prices, huge swings in commodity prices, and are partly responsible for the explosion in our healthcare costs because they're contributing to type 2 diabetes, stroke and heart disease, obesity, all the things that are driving our huge explosion in healthcare costs. That's just one sector of the economy. You think about the same thing is true on transportation. The same thing is true on how we construct our buildings. The same is true across the board.



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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 11:53 PM
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19. thanks for finding that! nt
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 05:11 PM
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18. Here's the larger context: FOOD WARS RAMPING UP

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/22/food-biofuels-land-grab


Rich countries launch land grab to safeguard food supply


* by Julian Borger, diplomatic editor
* guardian.co.uk, Saturday November 22 2008

Rich governments and corporations are triggering alarm for the poor as they buy up the rights to millions of hectares of agricultural land in developing countries in an effort to secure their own long-term food supplies.

The head of the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation, Jacques Diouf, has warned that the controversial rise in land deals could create a form of "neo-colonialism", with poor states producing food for the rich at the expense of their own hungry people.
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