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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 07:12 PM
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Dear Senator Shelby...
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 07:21 PM by JohnnyRingo
Compuware CEO and Detroit native Peter Karmanos calls out Richard Shelby on his hypocisy:

Compuware chief takes on Detroit Three senate critic
BY PETER KARMANOS JR. • November 19, 2008

U.S. Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Alabama, has emerged as the leading Senate critic of the proposed aid package for the Detroit auto industry. It’s pretty clear Shelby has nothing but disdain for Ford, GM, Chrysler and the United Auto Workers, not surprising considering he comes from a state with assembly plants for Mercedes-Benz, Honda and Hyundai. Shelby is in a key position on the Detroit rescue as senior Republican on the Senate Banking Committee.

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“I believe their best option would be some type of Chapter 11 bankruptcy,” Shelby said. “These leaders have been failures and they need to go.”

Shelby actually ratcheted up his anti-Detroit campaign on the Sunday morning talk show circuit, which drew an interesting response from Motor City defender Peter Karmanos, chairman and CEO of Compuware Corp., which moved its headquarters into a new downtown building just a few years ago.

Here’s part of what Karmanos said in a letter to Shelby:

I watched with great interest Meet the Press, during which you and Sen. Carl Levin debated the merits of (or, concerning your position, the folly) providing financial aid to America’s domestic auto industry.

I must admit that I was more than a little taken aback by how out of touch you really are about what Detroit’s Big Three automakers have been doing for some time and continue to do to transform their businesses to both survive in today’s debilitating economic climate and thrive in the future. The steps have been extremely significant and take it from me—someone who lives and works in the Motor City—incredibly painful as well.

… I can only trust that you will take some time and conduct the proper due diligence before continuing to espouse your inaccuracies. At minimum, I believe the domestic auto industry (and its millions of hardworking, tax-paying employees), which helped make America great, deserve as much.

Don’t you?

The intent of this letter, however, is not to take you to task for the inaccuracy of your comments or for the over-simplicity of your views, but rather to point out the hypocrisy of your position as it relates to Alabama’s (the state for which you have served as senator since 1987) recent history of providing subsidies to manufacturing. During the segment on Meet the Press, you stated that:

“We don’t need government — governmental subsidies — for manufacturing in this country. It’s the French model, it’s the wrong road. We will pay for it. The average American taxpayer is going to pay dearly for this, if I’m not wrong.”

I trust it is safe to say that when you refer to “government subsidies,” you are referring to subsidies provided by both federal and state governments. And if this is in fact true, then I am sure you were adamantly against the State of Alabama offering lucrative incentives (in essence, subsidies) to Mercedes Benz in the early 1990s to lure the German automobile manufacturer to the State.

As it turned out, Alabama offered a stunning $253 million incentive package to Mercedes. Additionally, the State also offered to train the workers, clear and improve the site, upgrade utilities, and buy 2,500 Mercedes Benz vehicles. All told, it is estimated that the incentive package totaled anywhere from $153,000 to $220,000 per created job. On top of all this, the State gave the foreign automaker a large parcel of land worth between $250 and $300 million, which was coincidentally how much the company expected to invest in building the plant.

With all due respect, Senator, where was your outrage when all this was going on? … I certainly don’t recall you going in front of the nation (as you did this past Sunday) to discuss what a big mistake Alabama was making in providing subsidies to Mercedes Benz. If you had, however, you could have talked about how, applying free market principles, Alabama shouldn’t have had to resort to subsidies to land Mercedes Benz. Competitively speaking, if Alabama had been the strongest candidate under consideration (i.e. highest quality infrastructure, workforce, research and development facilities, business climate, etc.), then subsidies shouldn’t have been required.

The fact is that Alabama knew that, on a level playing field, it could not compete with the other states under consideration and, thus, to lure the German car builder to the State, it offered the aforementioned unprecedented subsidies. In effect, Alabama — your state — did exactly what you said government should not do: provide subsidies for manufacturing.

It’s no great mystery why Alabama politicians went to such dramatic anti-free-market measures to secure Mercedes Benz — they did it for the betterment of their state through job creation and increased tax revenues. And who could blame them? Is that so different than what would occur by providing financial aid to help rescue the domestic auto industry? Such aid would save millions of jobs and millions of dollars in lost tax revenue.

Additionally, unlike the giveaways Alabama bestowed upon the foreign automaker in question, United States tax payers would be reimbursed with interest (as they were when Chrysler received government aid in the early 1980s) for their investment in what is clearly a critically important industry for America’s present and future.


Peter Karmanos, Jr. is Chairman and CEO Compuware Corporation

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200881119080


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 07:25 PM
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 07:27 PM
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2. I wish I could recommend this a hundred times....
I knew Karmanos was a classy guy just from the fact that he took his company out of the suburbs and moved downtown, a wonderful boon for our city.

But this is wonderful. I'm really liking Karmanos right now. This letter is SO FUCKING RIGHT ON.

Keep preaching, Mr. Karmanos.

And as for you, Shelby...fuck you in the eyesocket.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 07:29 PM
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3. Slapped down?
Shelby needs to get surgery to fix that hair lip, its really annoying.

On another note, he could care less about Detroit failing because he thinks he won't be affected. I guess he thinks the suppliers to the big three all reside in Michigan, too. Or maybe that the foreign automakers who have recently built plants here will somehow pick up the slack on demand and not cause the suppliers to liquidate their businesses aswell. He is in for a rude awakening if hes under the assumption that letting the domestic automakers fall will only lead to isolated failure.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 07:55 PM
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4. Shelby like most politicians in Alabama are a**holes
I used to live there, and you are correct Allied Chemical is in Nazibama, and they make seatbelts for GM, I don't know what other suppliers are there. I only know that because I was an electrician and was sent over there to do some work.
I have been out of that state for almost 25 years and there is very little that could force me to visit let alone live there again. Folks in NC are ever so much nicer and saner than there.
I took a lot of shit for being out gay, to the point where I had to start keeping a gun to protect myself.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 07:58 PM
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6. Congratulations on your liberation!**nm
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:29 PM
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12. "keeping a gun to protect myself"! If you are liberated as you claim why cling to your gun? Do you
also cling to religion?
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 07:57 PM
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5. From the scarlet Heart of Dixie let me say...
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 08:13 PM by misanthrope
..."Go get 'em, Pete!"

For generations, Alabama's power brokers have attempted to lure industry here by waxing about how exploitable the state is. Whether ballyhooing the lax environmental standards or masses of easily replaced, broken and beaten down workers who will toil for next-to-nothing in deplorable conditions, Alabama called in jobs by bragging about being the Third World of the Lower 48.

Now, in an era of globalization where the actual Third World is getting the jobs that once were in Alabama, the Yellowhammer State has to sweeten the pot by offering "incentives" that negate the positive impacts of industry on the public sector.

The rest of the nation can take a hint from the history of the state: whatever Alabama's stance to a situation or solution to a problem, take the opposite tack as that is most likely the correct one.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:04 PM
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7. Very well written
You certainly express yourself well and as you're from there, I'll take your word on it. Shelby seems to reinforce your point.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:10 PM
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8. WELL spoken ....
The Right To Work states have used the 'public trough' to offer these incentives to many foreign and domestic manufacturers .... And then offered the workers LOWER wages than those paid elsewhere, with less or nonexistent benefits ...
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:15 PM
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9. "Right to work" really means "right to starve"...
...or just "hard right and too dumb to know better."
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:39 PM
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14. I have several friends who work in Hyundai both White and Black. They would laugh at you for your
ignorance of their situation.

They are happy to be employed in decent jobs with benefit packages.

You are wrong in saying those workers are "hard right and too dumb to know better" but they do understand what "hard LEFT and too dumb to know better" and being unemployed means.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 10:35 PM
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19. What does ethnicity have to do with this?...
...A little racially hyper-cognizant maybe?
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 10:38 PM
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20. Oh, I see...
...so "left" equals "bad," huh?

You do realize that "decent jobs" is a relative term, right?

George Corley? That you?
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:16 PM
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10. I live in Alabama. Born and raised there. My email to Sen Shelby
Not that it'll do much good:

Dear Senator Shelby,

You may want to reconsider your opposition to the auto
industry loan package. A large percentage of your
constituents are NASCAR fans and would be none to
happy if all the cars on the track are Toyotas.

I share your outrage at the Big Three CEOs flying to
the Senate hearings in luxury jets.

But, please, sir, consider the millions of American jobs
at stake. Alabamians employed by Mercedes, Hyundai
and Honda will be fine. Consider, though, that thousands
of Alabamians are employed by suppliers to the Big
Three. And what about my local Pontiac dealer, from
whom we purchased a Grand Prix in 2006.

Now is not the time for political bickering. It's time to
support American manfacturing and the workers who
make it productive.

Ron ********
****** ****, AL 355**

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:27 PM
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11. In 2009, Alabama will produce more cars than any other state. That means outsourcing jobs from MI to
AL and that's good news for workers at Mercedes-Benz, Honda, and Hyundai.

Unemployed automotive workers in MI etc. are welcome to seek jobs here or collect unemployment checks in there states as long as that is available.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:35 PM
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13. Ah ... That explains much ...
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 08:37 PM by Trajan
Anti Union ... Pro Gun ...

What else ?

Where is the line drawn here in DU ?

Our WELL PAYING UNION jobs left California, and went to Alabama a few years ago .... Apparently Michigan is in the sights of the ne'er-do-wells in Alabama as well ....

We were none too pleased by this .... Being undercut by supposed friends should not be viewed very kindly, should it ?? ...

Thanks for the offer of allowing people to move to your backwards state to work at lower pay and no benefits .... How kind ! ....
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:41 PM
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15. Trajan I've missed you. Your comments are always good for several laughs, no substance, just laughs.
:rofl:
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 09:45 PM
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17. I didn't mean to start a new civil war in DU
My original post was spirited more toward the hypocricy of Richard Shelby than to southern states in general.

It's not nice to pick one of the 50, and lambaste everyone who lives there.
I'm sorry this thread is headed that way.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 10:33 PM
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18. It's "their" not "there"**nm
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 07:52 AM
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21. Thanks, one should not combine spell checkers and martinis. n/t
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:00 AM
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22. you know, jody...
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 10:02 AM by navarth
I'd be willing to listen to your side of this if you weren't sounding the way you are. Harassing that guy because he has a gun, etc.

Let me ask you this, then: are you for or against the bailout of the Big 3? Let's go on record here.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:42 PM
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23. I oppose government bailout of any business facing bankruptcy unless they (1) prepare a business
plan showing how the money will be used to make a business profitable, (2) agree to accept government oversight to insure the plan is implemented, and (3) agree to remove limited liability that lets stockholders shelter their personal fortunes against bankruptcy.

Number 3 combined with high debt ratios allow wealthy investors to gamble with other people's money and protect their personal fortunes.

One abuse that angers me is discussed in the article General Motors to Invest $1 Billion in Brazil Operations -- Money to Come from U.S. Rescue Program

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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 01:59 PM
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24. I agree with all of that.
see? we have common ground. just don't screw the workiers.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 02:58 PM
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25. What made you think we didn't have common ground? n/t
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 08:44 PM
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16. Big K and R
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