About Oswald:

[cliffordu]

Here are the photos of the re-creation by the secret service of the motorcade route and the view through the scope on the rifle Oswald was supposed to have used.

If he shot Kennedy, he took the worst possible shot.

He had at least three EASY kill shots as the limo came towards him and slowed to take the corner.....two of those shots were easy without a scope.

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Photos_-_WCD_Photos_-_Secret_Service_Reenactment_-_p1

Check out "Scope 4 Scope 5 and Scope 6"

As way of expertise on the subject, I give you a couple photos of the very tower where I spent my tour in Vietnam. It is almost 40 feet tall.







Oswald was 20 0r 30 feet above that. The distance through the scope of the places where Kennedy was actually hit were extremely difficult shots, particularly on a moving target. And after the first shot, an accelerating target.

[kentuck]

1. Where was your guard tower?

Just curious?

[cliffordu]

2. Just north of Danang, Near the base of the Hai Van pass

[lutherj]

3. That's interesting. Do any of those scope shots represent the supposed shots

that Oswald took?

[cliffordu]

5. It doesn't say - I find VERY interesting that the tree is in the way for so long...

I believe these photos were taken immediately (within days) of the shooting - who the fuck would try to take head shots through that tree, or on the other side of it?????

There is one (scope 14) where there is an officer in the street marking the front of the car with his hand....

That is, as far as I know, the head shot. Doable, but terribly iffy and again, the target was accelerating at that point.

He would have had to have been far and away the best shot I have ever seen, to have gotten off three perfect shots at that range under those conditions that quickly with a bolt action rifle.


Sheeit.

[Hardrada]

4. I'm going to bookmark this for future reference. Thanks.

[cliffordu]

6. Sure.

:patriot:

[OffWithTheirHeads]

7. After getting into guns and seeing how a 64th of an inch

variation in your aim affects your point of impact with a handgun, being perfectly calm, at 25 yards, I can't imagine how someone who intended to kill the President of the United States (Who, at the very least, should be nervous or anxious) could pull this level of marksmanship off alone. Maybe there are people that could fire three bulls eyes on a moving target with that accuracy. If there are, these are highly trained folks in the deepest corners of government. Not disaffected citizens with guns. I spend a reasonable time at the range. The average shooter is lucky to acquire the target based on what I've seen.

[cliffordu]

8. That's right.

I shot third highest in my battalion in basic training, and practiced regularly for my entire time in the military and couldn't have pulled that off on my best day.

This has been as clinical as I can make it. I was in sixth grade when President Kennedy was shot. It changed something in me forever.


After Bobby and MLK, I believe anything was possible on that day in November.

Anything but the idea that Oswald was that good a shot.

[Adsos Letter]

12. I recall reading that the scope on Oswald's rifle...

had to be shimmed by the Feds in order to make it accurate... I believe this was during their tests on whether it was even possible to get off three rounds in the time alloted.

I think he was involved in something (I'm not sure that what he thought it was is what it turned out to be, but he kept claiming he was a patsy) but I do not believe he took those shots.

[cliffordu]

15. there was a group of Austrailians that re created the scene using a crane

and a rifle like the one that Oswald was to have used, and they tried 5 or 6 times before they had ONE GUY who could actually make the shots....he had been an SAS sniper....one of the best in the world.

And he tried at least three times.

[IDemo]

9. but he wasn't just a "disaffected citizen with a gun"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald#Military_service

While in the Marines, Oswald was trained in the use of the M1 Garand rifle. Following that training, he was tested in December 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a sharpshooter. In May 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a marksman.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

10. Well, I'm no expert but that does not sound like three perfect

bulls on a moving target type of score.

[NutmegYankee]

14. Two. First one misssed. n/t

[cliffordu]

11. Could be he trained with the Soviet sharpshooting team

But I doubt it.

[Adsos Letter]

13. I always wondered why...

after being stationed in the control tower at Atsugi (U2 base), defecting to the Soviet Union, the subsequent shoot-down of Gary Powers (based, quite likely, on info on the flight patterns and heights of the U2 missions), that Oswald was allowed to return to the US and resume life without any hassles from the military, etc.

[cliffordu]

16. Yep, I always wondered the same thing.

I didn't realize that the U2 shoot down was after he went to the Soviet Union....

Curiouser and curiouser.

[Adsos Letter]

17. It's been at least 10 years since I did any real reading on it...

but I recall reading (somewhere) thay Powers was shot down after Oswald's defection. I'll see if I can locate a credible source.

[cliffordu]

18. I'll look in wikipedia...not that THAT's credible....