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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:09 AM
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In light of the recent discussions on the JFK assassination....
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 01:12 AM by adsosletter
Here is a link to two radio interviews (each a bit over 30 minutes in length) conducted with Oswald prior to the assassination.

Both are discussions over his association with the "Fair Play for Cuba Commitee".

One is in the form of an interview, the other is a debate format.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/oswald.htm

Scroll down 2/3rds the way on the page to the orange colored box marked "Local Media Celebrity." Rhere are two links to audio files there.

I post this only because, prior to this, I had only heard Oswald speak in brief statements made at the Dallas County Jail.

They make interesting listening.

I was in second grade at the time of JFK's murder, and I still remember with crystal clarity the events of the day...including the overwhelming sensation of grief and disbelief from the adults in my life. :(

I am posting this simply because of my interest in history, and because I am not sure how many others were aware of these audio recordings.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:21 AM
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1. Professor McAdams is one of the finest scholars on the JFK assassination - his site is a treasure.
Thanks for posting this - a bit of a needed counter to the conspiracy nonsense which has been debunked repeatedly.

:thumbsup:
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 01:47 AM
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2. As a Grad student in history...
I was fascinated to hear the at length interviews of Oswald. I did not know they existed, and shed some light onto his political philosophy, as expressed, regarding America's stance towards Cuba.

Completely OT, but his voice and diction remind me a bit of Jimmy Carter, though not nearly as polished.

These interviews seem to add some needed human "substance" to an individual who is otherwise somewhat of a historical cipher.

As for conspiracy theories: I am still not convinced that Oswald was not involved in something larger, although I think he was taken by surprise by what that "larger" thing turned out to be.

The one thing he kept insisting on was that he was a "patsy".
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:27 AM
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6. He was a "Patsy". JFK's head shot was a hit in a frontal shot, not from behind as some liars claim.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 02:56 PM
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9. That has certainly been one of the primary points of questioning...
Have you read Robert Lifton's book on the difference between what the doctors at Parkland and the ones at Bethesda reported seeing, in terms of head wounds?
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 07:00 PM
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27. Yes I have. Its a complete fabrication to fit the "facts" in with the "story" of course. nt
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:36 PM
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17. Where then is the entry wound?
There are frontal pictures of JFK after he died and the only wound I can see is the one in his throat. He was holding his throat when he received the fatal head wound.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:53 PM
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26. Watch the slo-mo Zapruder film closely. The entrance wound isn't there, as the bullet tore off the
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 06:55 PM by cabluedem
top part of JFK's head,brain and scalp.

Yet, Sunday Night, on a TV show dissing the 1991 film, "JFK", an old bald faced lying A-h**l on the channel claimed that *entrance* wounds leave a big cavity.

Thats a bald faced lie to cover up the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald could not have shot JFK's head from his position BEHIND the President.

It's the EXIT wound that leaves a crater-looking wound, not the entrance as the bullet expands and shoves the tissue forward and out of the body.

Ask any homicide detective, ER surgeon, combat soldier, or deer hunter, if that isn't a true statement.

What a pack of f**king liars!!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 07:18 PM
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28. I see no reason why entrance wounds can't leave large cavities.
Particularly if the bullet tumbles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJHDsMACC6w
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 07:56 PM
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29. The medium caliber bullet the carbine fires would NOT tumble at 88 yards. And no, a tumbling bullet
won't leave a large crater either.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:40 PM
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31. How do you explain the video?
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 09:54 PM
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32. Simple ballistics. Since the shot came from the front, there was another shooter involved. Simple.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 12:27 PM
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36. I mean the video I posted.
The one showing bullets leaving large entrance craters in a wide variety of objects.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 05:52 PM
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37. Those objects are not meat. Ask a combat medic what bullets do to soldiers. nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:38 PM
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18. If that's true, how do you explain bigfoot being found in Arkansas?
Instead of his native Pacific Northwest?

Oh, what, you can't explain it?

Yeah, right. I figured as much.
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:11 PM
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11. John McAdams aka Paul Nolan aka Paul Gibson
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/lofiversion/index.php/t3447.html
Of course, no one knows what this means. That's because Mr. Paul Gibson aka Mr. Paul Nolan, aka Mr. John MacMadman, aka Mr. Paul MacNolan's specific purpose here, is the spread of nonsensical disinfo, supposedly disguised as misinfo, with the intention of breaking threads, and sidetracking any legitimate work being done on forums dedicated to the study of the assassination.
This is why Shanet succinctly requested, loud and clear, for this thread, and/or any other thread becoming contaminated by the likes of this scam-artist, be allowed to wither on the vine, or better yet, to crash and burn...


Who is Mcadams, CIA disinformation asset, or just plain Crackpot?
John McAdams attended the 1995 Copa Conference using the assumed name Paul Nolan. More than that, he also fabricated a background to go with the name in that he purported himself to be a jet-propulsion expert and some-time computer store owner from Sherwood, Wisconsin. In that guise, he was quoted in an article in the Washington press by journalist Matt Labash. Mr. Labash later confirmed that McAdams had duped him. Mr. Labash had quoted Paul (McAdams) Nolan in good faith whilst in fact McAdams was lying through his teeth.

McAdams later claimed he had used an assumed name to avoid contact with users of the alt.conspiracy group who may have been attending the conference. With McAdams record of willfully abusing users of the group, this story might seem plausible but going to trouble of inventing a detailed cover story and lying to the press have more sinister overtones...


Riiight. McAdams/Nolan/Fisher is a real credible source :sarcasm:
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:26 PM
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15. I didn't recommend him as a source....
he had the links to the audio files of the Oswald interviews on his site. I came across them while doing a web search.
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:55 PM
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22. My response was to post #1. Not the OP...
Sorry if there was any confusion. :hi:

Here's more LHO:

DEBATE: Lee Harvey Oswald vs. Carlos Bringuier & Ed Butler 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao2a9mRWkso

http://www.geocities.com/oswaldpatsy/
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:57 PM
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23. Thanks for the links!... The confusion was solely on my part...
:hi:
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 02:03 AM
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3. Anyone listening? I would be interested in...
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 02:06 AM by adsosletter
your visceral responses to Oswald's voice and the substance of his interviews.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 02:35 AM
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4. last shameless kick...
:shrug:
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:16 AM
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5. And to offer counter testimony
It does seem there must have been something of a conspiracy if the conspirators own up to it. Are we to debunk Hunt because he "was just wanting attention"?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt

Excellent recordings, though. Thanks for posting them. I'd heard them before and am still not persuaded one way or another by the evidence.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 02:53 PM
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8. As I said in my OP...
he went right to "I didn't kill anyone", and "I'm a patsy."

I don't have a clue as to who to blame; I think he was involved in something, although I think what that something was came as a shock to him.

I posted the links because I had never heard Oswald speak at any length, and I was quite fascinated by the interchange.

I checked out your website: Have you read A Magnificent Catastrophe about the election of 1800? I'm about 1/3 of the way through it.

:hi:
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:11 PM
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12. Yes, I have. The important thing to remember is the two opponents reconciled
They were better friends after than they were before.

I can't see that happening with the degree of acrimony these days. lol

Thanks for looking at my site.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:19 PM
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13. Yup...well, let's face it...
they shared an unbelievably important time in world history. Are you a History professional?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:26 PM
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14. I'm a writer. My minor in college was history, though.
But I fell in love with John Adams and his family when I was a kid. I think I've been anywhere he has touched. lol
And, as a result, anywhere Jefferson has touched.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:31 PM
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16. Great! ...
I am just starting my comps for an MA in History, emphasis on American Thought and Culture.

My daughter is just finishing med-school in Philadelphia. When I speak with her on the phone, and I ask if she has been to this or that place associated with Revolutionary history in the Philly area she is always like "yeah, yeah, sure dad..."

Drives me insane... :D
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:46 PM
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19. My niece went to college in Philly - I had the same problem
If I lived in Philly, I'd probably have to list Independence Mall as a second address. :)

I'm adding you to my friends list if that's okay -- American history buffs are few and far between these days. Let's
keep in touch.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:47 PM
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20. You got it...I shall do the same...
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 03:49 PM by adsosletter
:hi:

EDIT: When she calls during the winter, and there is snow on the ground back there, I try to convince her to go out to Valley Forge, take her shoes off, and wander around for a bit ruminating on the cost of Freedom.

She has yet to take me up on it... :D
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:50 PM
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21. These kids these days lol n/t
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:55 AM
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7. There also exist a filmed interview
Of Oswald standing on a street corner handing out pamphlets for the Fair Play for Cuba committee in New Orleans.
And the office he worked out of was next dore to the CIA branch office.
As one investigator put it he was being sheep dipped to be the patsy.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 02:57 PM
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10. Do you have any links to that interview?
I would like to be able to watch it, as opposed to reading a simple transcript.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:00 PM
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24. Sorry I don't
I actually saw it a number of years ago on a documentary.
And AI had seen it played on TV sometime after the assignation, so I know it exist but not whether it is on the net.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:23 PM
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25. Ah, ok...I'll try doing a search for it...
Thanks! :hi:
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:07 PM
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30. If it helps it was a local New Orleans TV station that did the interview
I believe.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:00 PM
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33. Why is this suddenly a hot topic?
Is something official suppose to be released?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:21 PM
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34. 45th anniversary; Palin inciting wing-nuts n/t
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 06:08 PM
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38. In my opinion.
I was not speaking for the OP as was suggested.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 12:15 AM
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35. I started the OP because I had seen all the discussion about the JFK murder...
on the board, and wanted to draw people's attention to two audio interviews of Oswald during the period of early 1963, when he was functioning as the secretary for the New Orleans "Fair Play for Cuba Commitee."

I wasn't interested in "wing-nuttery," as the poster below suggests, I just found it quite fascinating to listen to Oswald express his views in an extended interview...it helped me flesh-out, somewhat, a person who is really a historical cipher. I thought others might be interested in it also.

As far as conspiracies go... I do think Oswald was involved in something, but what that something turned out to be probably came as a shock to him...thus his going directly to the "I'm just a patsy" meme.

Other than that...I have no clue as to who, or why, someone chose to kill JFK, and the post wasn't intended to engage in "tin-foil hattery."

:hi:
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