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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:08 PM
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Dean's idea...use the DNC to centralize the progressive advocacy groups between elections.
Not a bad idea. Turns out that a lot of them lost their funding during the campaign because Obama "successfully convinced the Democratic financiers to channel their money to him and few else."

The poster, Sam Stein, further points out:

This draining of the swamp forced many organizations to scale back their election season ambitions.

Now, without the prevailing need to get a Democrat in the White House and with a debilitating economic crisis stifling the most politically philanthropic, there may not be enough loot to keep these outside organizations operating.


I do have a major bone to pick with Sam Stein. He is usually one of the few who give credit where due. But this time he gave credit for the 50 State Strategy to the campaign committees. Wrong, Sam.

The DSCC and the DCCC were NOT responsible for the 50 State plan. In fact they ridiculed it. Rahm was chair of the DCCC when we won in 2006, and he cursed Dean for it. Literally, in his own office. He used the f*** word to him. So be fair, here.

Give credit to Howard Dean for the 50 State Strategy. Work with other bloggers to stop the anonymous hit pieces on him even as he is heading out the door. And add a correction to your blog.

Now for the idea Dean presented last week.

Keeping the party going

The blogger speaks of the problems getting the progressive groups funded in between elections...a very real problem. Here is Dean's idea.

The first question facing Democrats is how to centralize this portion of the party without a galvanizing election. Howard Dean, the departing Democratic National Committee chair, has an answer.

"Do it through here," he said of the DNC in an interview last week. "I'd like to consider this becoming a grassroots organization, not just to win elections but to win programs, to get programs passed... to push out a president's message and go door-to-door for health care reform, and for climate change."

"Campaigns are not for education," he added. "They are for winning. Afterwards, governing is for education. And there is enormous potential among the grassroots community for educating by reaching out to people."

Dean may be pushing against prevailing wisdom, which suggests that elections are about learning. But in many regards he is right. An example of when infrastructure proved remarkably effective as an "education" tool is the debate over privatizing Social Security in 2005 -- when progressive groups of all colors (labor, veterans, women's issues, etc...) punched holes in Bush's proposals with a largely coherent message. On the opposite end of the spectrum is the immigration debate, in which a lack of cohesion allowed GOP groups to derail any moderate or progressive reform proposal.


That's really a very good idea.

Now if someone will just give credit due.

Stein quotes Bob Borosage of Campaign for America's Future.

"Every group on the left and probably every group on the right will have to face the problem that we just whipped out a trillion of stock assets among the wealthy donors of the right and left. And it is quiet possible that many progressive donors will think, oh, well, our job is done," said Bob Borosage, co-director of Campaign for America's Future, in a recent phone interview. And yet, Borosage himself adds the caveat: having been in the political wilderness for so long, the progressive id now dictates that nothing should be taken for granted. There is, he says, an understanding that all the gains made in the last few years could be lost just as quickly. A fallout and consolidation may be likely -- the White House, for starters, will hire away many of the best staffers from these outside groups. But it shouldn't be debilitating.


So, Sam Stein, thanks for presenting the ideas. But please give credit to Howard Dean for the 50 State Strategy...NOT the campaign committees led then by Rahm and Schumer. They did not even like the idea.





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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:18 PM
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1. Dean's ideas are always good
I think that working on programs and getting the grass roots support to help out.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 12:14 AM
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7. Agreed. Glad he is one looking ahead to preserve our progressive groups
There must be some way to organize them, and work on funding as a group.

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:33 PM
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2. This is exactly what I've been thinking and I've been trying to figure out how
to talk to my local activist friends about it.

Thanks very much!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:02 PM
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3. Some blogs and groups are on the verge of shutting down now.
Ones that have done a great job for us. There is just no money for them now.

This really is an idea that could work.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:34 PM
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5. I/we should up our monthly contribution to the DNC. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:42 PM
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6. I won't donate again until I know who is going to be there.
The new staff starts moving in next month. If it is someone like Harold Ford, thanks but no thanks.

But I like the idea of using it as a grassroots organizing facility.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 05:22 PM
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10. I'm thinking DFA....
over the DNC.

I just don't see us retaining progressive
control of the DNC without Dean at the helm.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 06:18 PM
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12. He was on TV 3 times today....I missed all but the end of it with Shuster..
where he said he job was to stir things up. If you see videos, let me know. I have not seen anyone post what he had to say.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:07 PM
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20. That was my first thought as well.
Edited on Wed Nov-26-08 03:07 PM by xxqqqzme
At the CADemParty E-Board this month, a speaker credited DFA Training Academies w/ giving grassroots the tools to run campaigns - so true.

When Dean leaves the DNC, I'll cancel my 'Democracy Bond' and add that amount to my monthly DFA donation.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 03:54 PM
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21. DFA is the only bumpersticker on my car....
Little groups of dedicated people,
monitoring politics for all the
right reasons.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:07 PM
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4. Dear Sam Stein: even the GOP knows the 50 State Plan was started by Dean
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1108/RNC_chair_candidate_pays_homage_to_Deans_50state_strategy.html

"In a 10-page proposal sent to members of the RNC earlier this week, national party chair hopeful Chip Saltsman writes this:

If there is one area Democrats out-worked Republicans over the past four years, it is expanding their voting bloc. Many scoffed at Howard Dean’s “Fifty State Strategy,” including other Democrats. But the fact remains that his party became more competitive in more places over the past two election cycles. In 2006, Democrats won House and Senate seats in traditional Republican territory. Two years later, Obama won nine states President Bush carried in 2004, and, in almost half of those states, Obama ran ahead of the national vote. The Republican nominee did not win any state John Kerry won in 2004."

How could you credit it to Rahm and Schumer?



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 01:27 AM
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8. Yay, there is already a website up to keep progressives active.
http://www.congressmatters.com/

"When We Talk About "Better" Democrats...
by mcjoan
Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 04:56:43 PM PDT
...this is what we mean."

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 11:41 AM
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9. One downside...
would be that centralizing would or might result in too much message control.

Message control is great in some ways. But the GOP did that for years with the wrong message.

Guess the idea would be a mixed bag. Might provide more income, but with a price.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 05:24 PM
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11. Political organization without continuity is not worth a bucket of warm spit.
Just saying ...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 07:50 PM
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13. On Hardball just now....he sounded like he will keep on being a change agent.
He said he was better at stirring things up and making people question things they had not questioned for years. Said he might be on the inside or outside....but would be doing something.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 10:22 PM
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14. I absolutely love this idea. Not only will it keep our base in tact but
it will give us easy access for lobbying.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 10:54 PM
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15. Give progressives' money to the DNC when progressives are unwelcome in the party?
I love Dean, but - no. I'm not about to divert my money to a party that takes our votes and then tells us to fuck off.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 11:52 PM
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17. It has possibilities...depending on who is chair.
It could help the groups and websites that are struggling for funding and for a purpose.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 11:41 PM
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16. Noted for later perusal.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 12:01 AM
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18. Here are the 3 that Sam Stein credited. Unbelievable.
It has to be planned to use the words 50 State Strategy and leave out Dean's name.

Glad he was all over TV today taking up for himself.

"Much of the sweeping victories enjoyed by the Democratic Party this November have been credited to three major catalysts: Barack Obama, for his campaign and fundraising efforts; the campaign committees, for their influential fifty-state-strategy; and President Bush, for producing the most opposition-friendly political climate since Richard Nixon."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/24/after-obama-how-dems-can_n_146116.html

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 01:57 AM
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19. On every TV and radio appearance today...Dean was totally gracious to those
who had been attacking him and trying to discredit his accomplishments. He praised them profusely.

That is graciousness.
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