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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 04:58 PM Original message |
Enough of 'Barbituate' Left Cynicism, Obama Is a Victory over White Supremacy |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. After Democrats took back Congress in 2006, |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. White Supremacy? Huh? |
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amdezurik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. I think the writer dropped too much acid |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. Hmmm... barbiturate leftists... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. read it. I think you'll appreciate it. It's a long piece |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. It's a garbage smear with absolutely no evidence beyond the author's own limited experience |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Thanks for posting this Cali and too bad you are getting so many |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. The analogy is a contemptuous smear and the author has nothing to back up |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Oh, I don't know about that... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. what "point" is that? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Reading for comprehension is an art, I guess... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Yes go ahead and skirt the actual point of the post, and question my reading ability |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
54. Maybe FarceofNature just spends too much time in the Lounge... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Wow thanks for stepping in and raising the rhetoric.. |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. You know you love it......there's little doubt you're bored and trying to pick a fight |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. don't have to "try" much to get a fight here! |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. MMM. 'Garbage smear' and 'inexperienced' -= they're not ad hom attacks at all. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. it's not an ad hom to attack an article. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
71. I was going to say something a lot more... something... |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. I don't get it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. It's a caricature and one that he participates in. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. You're right... I do... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. "political equivalent of quaaludes" |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. oh great a broadbrush smear against the left, complete with the purity meme |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. It's not. I suggest you read the whole long piece |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I read the whole fucking thing, "long" at 2 pages LOL! Simplistic prose isn't difficult for me, |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. lol. you so make his point. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. how do I make his point? pray enlighten me. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
79. Well, if you really want to know (and you may not...) |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Just keep in mind..."post partisan" means one party. Scares me. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. The millenarian part is the idea that we can't be happy until all problems are solved |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. wow... we really get under your skin |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. It's not the ideology. it's the rigidity of the ideology |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
52. You Mean Being Principled as Opposed to Being Unprincipled... not Rigid of an Ideology |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. Behold, ladies and gentleman: the fallacy of the false dilemma in all its glory! |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. not for you anyways.... never will... and I'm ok with that |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. That's right...I have a low tolerance for authoritarians |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. "Authoritarian"... hmmm... ok |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
14. Don't be critical of his choices because he's African-American? No, thanks. I'll stay color-blind.nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
15. Self hating liberals are sad, especially when projecting their self loathing |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I got the same feeling from the article. An ironically humorless article about then humorlessness of |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. It's bizarre when people act out the very thing they object to. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. he didn't. that's a mischaracterization. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. You're pretty good at baseless denial without actually ADDRESSING the meat of the article |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Denial is not an argument. Can I ask, what did you like about the article? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. Kindly point me to the area where he shows he is self-hating... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I'll just use the OP's strategy, which you seem to have no problem with: |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. It wasn't street cred... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Do you have anything besides denial and questioning of my reading ability? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Every time he uses a term like "barbituate left" of a group he claims to be a part of. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. He never claimed to be part of that group... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. "the far left -- to which I remain connected ideologically if not organizationally" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. . . . . |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #46 |
91. He Did That During the Primaries, Too, And Prior |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Interesting. I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right. n/t |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. I normally love Tim Wise's writing, but he's being really obnoxious here. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Tim Wise is an acquired taste but I appreciate what he does. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. I remember a piece he did last summer that got locked here |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Was it the one about the white Democratic women who refused to vote for Obama? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Yep. That was it. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
53. The strength of this essay could be the struggle to position himself |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
65. Well, stop doing it then. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. This is non sequitur night for you, anigbrowl? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Yes, I'm feeling abbreviated today. But I do agree with the substance of the OP. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Tim's dismay pretty much fits that criteria -- humorless and rigid. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I laughed at the bit about the albanian folk music |
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Utnapishtim (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. The socio-politico ramifications of President Obama are more important than the man himself. |
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Utnapishtim (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Gah. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
61. You still have a few minutes to edit the original post if you want |
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Utnapishtim (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Thanks, got it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
81. Welcome to DU, Utnaishtim. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
28. He makes one good point. Obama may set in motion something beyoind hiimself. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Another, smaller point: Many people had already mobilized and for years. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Politicians don't lead. They follow. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. Well, with retailers folding every day, we can't very well just go shopping again. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
84. A pastime much needed in this country. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
40. I'm far far left and I'm still optimistic |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. The Gates pick is very smart in several directions. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Perhaps. But I just have a problem with Gates' motivations |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Gates will be watched and his leash will be short, imho. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
44. You know what's funny? |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Damn I have to pick just one? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
70. Yeah, that confused me as well |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
60. Tim Wise is a fucking moron, especially when it comes to race |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. What is he wrong about when it comes to race? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. I haven't read that much of him. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Or Sally and Johnny |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. lulz |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Bacon-handed? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
94. He teaches race relations to undergrads and lectures high school students |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #60 |
90. Tim Wise is spot on when he talks about race |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
88. It would help if we didn't have folks making blanket condemnations of dissent |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. You Hit the Nail on the Head with This Post |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
93. Interesting |
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