Is Prop 8 backlash keeping Utah out of college football's national championship?

[taterguy]

The kids at Utah committed there before anyone had ever heard of Prop 8, much less knew that it was financed by Mormons.

As far as I know, they've never done anything bigoted or mean-spirited.

All they've done is play their hearts out.

They're one of two major college teams that's undefeated.

Meanwhile, half a dozen teams with one loss are more are getting a chance to play in college football's national championship game, depending on what happens on the field in the next couple of weeks.

Prop 8 was a very bad thing.

But adding another injustice to the mix won't help anything.

[Ian David]

1. This is me not caring. n/t

[ContinentalOp]

2. Yes, we cannot let somebody's civil rights stand in the way of our God given FOOTBALL! -nt-

[hlthe2b]

18. GIven the number of DUers advocating a return to the NFL

by Vick--regardless of his horrendous animal cruelty/torture convictions, somehow, I am not surprised to see that college football is considered sacrosanct, even when civil rights are decimated as a result...

Look, I like sports and hate for a team that has worked hard to excel to ever feel disappointment, but geebus, I think a much more important life lesson might come from this...:shrug:

[amdezurik]

3. kinda ironically biblical don't ya know

the sins of the mothers and fathers (and some of them ,ay be of voting age...) and all that

[taterguy]

19. Just because their linebacker is from Las Vegas doesn't mean his parents are sinners

There are a lot of honest hard-working people in Vegas.

[amdezurik]

34. well that's religeons hook

we are all sinners

[cboy4]

4. What in the world are you talking about?

[deadmessengers]

5. And they had a MUCH weaker schedule.

Utah plays in the Mountain West conference, stacked wall-to-wall with "powerhouses" like BYU, Wyoming, and Texas Christian. Alabama plays in the toughest conference in the NCAA, the SEC. Alabama has had to play Georgia, Auburn, LSU, and Tennessee this year.

Strength of schedule matters.

[taterguy]

7. Alabama's not one of the one-loss teams I'm complaining about

You should know what you're talking about before you post.

[QC]

8. Roll Tide! n/t

[Are_grits_groceries]

11. I don't like the Gators, but Florida will eat them. nt

[cboy4]

9. It's clear the OP knows nothing about the BCS.

BS? Yes.

BCS? Not so much.

[QC]

6. OMG! The Velvet Mafia has taken over college football.

Is there any evil to which those sodomites will not stoop!

[MountainLaurel]

22. Apparently there's nothing The Gays can't be blamed for n/t

:shrug:

[QC]

26. Ain't that the truth?

I don't know how I have time to earn a living, what with all the evil I am constantly out doing.

[yardwork]

46. With all this power we wield, why don't we have special rights yet?

Forget equal rights. Apparently we are more powerful than the Clenis. You'd think we'd be ruling the world by now.

[Are_grits_groceries]

10. Does Boise State ring a bell????

Utah doesn't belong in the championship game. Sorry!
They are good, but not that good.

[WiMu]

12. Prop 8 is not keeping Utah out of the national title game,

what is keeping them out of the national title game is the BCS. Utah is not from a major football conference(BCS conference), they are from a mid-major conference (nonBCS conference), and to even make it into a BCS bowl game they would have to be ranked number 12 or 16 and ranked in front of a BCS conference team in the BCS polls, which is based on Sports writers and coaches polls and then a computer generated poll. It is difficult for a NonBCS team to make it into a BCS Bowl. Their are special rules set up for Notre Dame but I will not go into them here. Only 3 nonBCS teams have made it to a BCS bowl game, Utah, Boise State, and Hawaii. To make it into the National title game you must be ranked either number one or two in the final BCS poll of the season.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. NO.

Utah is not in one of the 6 major BCS conferences. The six major conferences are the SEC, Big 12, Pac10, Big East, ACC, and Big 10. Each of these conference's champs have an auto bid to a major BCS bowl (Rose, Orange, Fiesta etc.). That is not the case for the other conferences.

Utah is in the Mountain West Conference. It would be nearly impossible for a team that isn't from one of the 6 big conferences to make the national title game.

This has nothing to do with Prop 8. Just look at Boise State 2 years ago. No matter what they do, they will be perceived as having a weak schedule whether it's true or not.

[Angleae]

55. Minor correction. Big East doesn't have a bid.

3 at large bids + 5 conference. However, I believe an undefeated, small conference team that is ranked in the top 10 has an automatic bid to a BCS bowl like Hawaii last year. However being WAC does pretty much eliminate them from the so called "title game".

[hughee99]

14. The BCS is determined

in part by mathematical analysis, though "opinion" rankings make up some of it. In the opinion polls, though, they ask sportswriters and coaches, rather than the general public. I'd have a hard time believing that such a groundswell of support for the gay community exists among these groups that they can skew their own part of it enough to affect the overall poll.

[cobalt1999]

15. Any one of those one loss teams could whip Utah.

Undefeated or not, they aren't going to make it to the BCS championship game even if the entire team was gay and married to each other.

[WCGreen]

16. Brigham Young winning the Nathional championship a while back when they

played in a bowl on December 17th, I believe, is one of the reasons the BCS came about...

[ColbertWatcher]

17. BWAHAHAHAH! Damn that was good! n/t

[msongs]

20. probably the folks at BYU are the reason ...or the weak schedulel nt

[kcr]

21. So your contention

is that sports writers and college coaches (who are both disproportionally white males) are conspiring to keep the Utes out of a BCS game? Really? You don't want to re-think that even a little bit? Because while it is not quite as silly as the notion that giant, man-eating lemurs run the Pentagon, it's pretty close.

Actually, I take that back. At least the lemurs running the Pentagon rumor has the fact that lemurs are known for their support of space-based missile defenses going for it. Yours doesn't have any evidence that plausible.

[Bluebear]

23. Are you blaming teh gays by posing a speculative question a la FOX News?

[Creideiki]

24. Crap

You mean all I need to do to get my team into the BCS is bring the force of Teh Gay against all the other Pac-10 teams?

Who would have known I had that type of power.

[taterguy]

25. When was the last time a Pac 10 school won a national championship in anything without paid players?

Maybe Stanford won some in some of the non-revenue sports but even those are suspect

[Cali_Democrat]

36. LOL...You know NOTHING about college sports

The Pac-10 has the most sports championships.

They have more national titles in all sports than any other conference. Look it up.

You're way out of your league. Don't even try to talk college sports because you suck at it ;-)

[rufus dog]

44. to add

UCLA has 100 National Championships, SC is second, in the 90's, I believe Cal and Stanford have over 50, and Arizona State was ranked highest in overall sports rankings for last year.

As for the 'Paid player comment toward SC, I agree, SC FUCKING SUCKS WEENIES, the play by the same set of rules as Florida, Miami, LSU, Georgia, Oklahoma.

[Jamastiene]

27. None of my GLBT friends are boycotting any sports.

How is it our fault?
:shrug:

[taterguy]

28. Do all of your friends control who plays in the national championship game?

[FreeState]

30. Where is the evidence that those that do control it have an opinion one way or the other on Prop 8?

[Jamastiene]

42. No, they do not. I assure you.

See, it's not our fault. That settles it. Did you eat the wrong 'shrooms or something? :shrug:

[taterguy]

43. Why is all abnormal thinking assumed to be drug induced?

Some people can just be naturally weird

[Sanctified]

29. Has nothing to do with Prop 8 and to suggest otherwise is wrong. n/t

[taterguy]

31. You're entitled to your wrong opinion

[Sanctified]

32. Where is your proof?

If you want to make claims that gay marriage supporters are brown shirting kids in college football you better have some proof.

[Zhade]

33. So are you - and you have NO FUCKING EVIDENCE, so stop blaming GLBT people.

NT!

[Cali_Democrat]

35. You're funny!!!

Answer the other responses to your OP!!!!

[taterguy]

37. I was drunk last night and it seemed like a good idea at the time

On second thought it probably wasn't.

Too bad it's too late to edit my OP

[yardwork]

48. You're right it was a bad idea but a lot of posters have hit home runs off your OP

so you did provide a great deal of entertainment.

[mtnester]

62. But you could always ask that it be locked couldn't you?

I see that all the time, when a Mod locks a thread at the request of an OP...usually because the OP realized it was an error, or flat out wrong or so completely stupid and offensive...or they were being a drunken fool at the time (nice excuse BTW)

It would be refreshing and a nice gesture to see "thread locked at the request of, and apologies by, the OP"

So far, don't see that happening....and you have been here long enough to know that is absolutely possible.

So,...what ARE you waiting on?



edit - Inadvertent second letter capitalization

[taterguy]

63. Just waiting for the thread to have a natural death

When people realize how pointless it is to post in it

[Marrah_G]

67. Nooooooo.... everyone should have the chance to giggle at the drunken post

[Marrah_G]

66. HHAHAHAHAhahahaha!

I would say folks shouldn't drink and post...but what fun would that be??

Sounds like you had a good Thanksgiving :)

[Zuiderelle]

38. WTF? What are you smoking? I WISH the backlash from Prop 8 could cause such a great thing.

[taterguy]

40. I was smoking a Camel Light

But it was beer that impaired my judgment when I started this thread last night

[itsrobert]

39. OMG, the backlash is also keeping the Osmonds from topping the music charts

They should be number 1. Nothing betting than the Osmonds.

[JVS]

41. I guess Utah should have remembered how much football coaches value civil rights.

[yardwork]

47. Everytime I read this post I have to pick myself up off the floor all over again.

Note - Both my kids play football, so it's informed laughter.

Yeah, the NFL. A real hotbed of lefty gay rights, there.

[JVS]

49. Remember this is College football. Your experience with the NFL may not hold with the NCAA

Campus radicals, I tells ya.

[yardwork]

50. Oh my kids don't play for the NFL! LOL all over again! They play for high school.

Sorry, sorry....I was thinking about the other thread about Obama's position on something involving the NFL....

[yardwork]

45. Do you have a link or any evidence whatsoever for this accusation?

If gay people and their allies were strong enough to influence national championship picks, don't you think that we'd have equal rights by now?

[libnnc]

51. The OP is a champion dumbass.

He shouldn't be let out of the lounge.

[yardwork]

53. I see he acknowledges that this thread was the brainchild of many beers.

[jmowreader]

52. Duke is more likely to play for college football's national championship than is Utah

Duke plays (or so they say) in the Atlantic Coast Conference, one of the BCS conferences. I've heard rumors the Detroit Lions are planning to add Duke to their schedule next year, on the grounds their fans need to see the Lions win at least one game every year.

You guys want to hear a really funny one? I like one of the Raleigh radio stations, and last week they had an ad for the Duke-UNC football game. Only $40 per ticket! That's like buying a ticket to the Colosseum when they fed Christians to the lions! Who the fuck would pay $40 to watch Duke play football against anyone? Come on. They lost to Navy. Except for Army, NO ONE loses to Navy.

[KharmaTrain]

54. Another Reason Not To Give A Shit About College Football...

So...letsee...last year Hawaii went undefeated and was lucky to get invited to the Toilet Bowl. The BCS is a total sham...only big school with big money get in...the rest can go pound sand. C'mon well all need another USC, Ohio State, Florida, Texas and Nebraska championship...yawn!!!

[Art_from_Ark]

57. I used to care about college football

when I was in elementary school and junior high. But I don't think I've given a rat's patootie about the championship since Notre Dame won it back in, what, 1974?

[NMMNG]

56. Yes.

Teh Gay Agenda is amazing. We can change the outcome of football games, destroy traditional marriage, cause all manner of natural disasters. But for some reason we still can't manage to get equal rights.

BTW, BYU isn't as innocent and sweet as you seem to think. They think they're God's special football team and everyone else is sh*t under their feet.

How can we expect interfaith dialogue when we can’t even have Interstate dialogue between two Mormon universities 45 miles apart because they have literally turned religion into a political football? When the secular University of Utah played its religious school rival, Brigham Young University (BYU), last weekend, the teams treated the End Zone as if it were the Promised Land.

“It’s like a lot of other rivalries, except for those at the extremes,” Michael Anastasi, managing editor of the Salt Lake Tribune told the New York Times. “For them, it’s not only that your school is weak, you’re going to Hell too.”

Two years ago, the rivalry was further soured after BYU quarterback John Beck threw a touchdown pass to receiver Jonny Harline, who sank to his knees – as if in prayer – to make the winning catch. Describing the “miraculous” play, another B.Y.U. receiver, Austin Collie, concluded it occurred because students at the religious school lived cleaner lives.

“Obviously, if you do what’s right on and off the field, I think the Lord steps in and plays a part in it,” said Collie.(For the record, the holier-than-thou BYU was crushed 48-24 in this weekend’s game. I’m guessing the Lord was upset at Mormon involvement in California’s Prop. 8 banning same-sex marriages)

From Wayne Besen's Truth Wins Out





Gee, maybe Wayne is on to something. Perhaps BYU needed to be knocked off their self-righteous pedestal by their own god.

Whatever it was, it certainly wasn't Teh Gays that made them play a crappy game.

[Freddie Stubbs]

58. The fact that they are in a non-BSC conference and play a fairly weak schedule if likely the reason

[apocalypsehow]

59. Uh, I don't think that's whats keeping Utah out of a BCS bowl bid...

Last call for alcohol at the taterguy abode, I hope. :beer:

[Angleae]

60. They're not being kept out of a BCS bowl

just the "championship game". They'll probably end up going to a BCS bowl (orange, sugar, or fiesta).

[TheFarseer]

61. Seriously?!

It's because they play in the Mountain West Conference. I sympathize a little because they did beat Michigan in the Big House - even though they were horrible this year - and beat Oregon St who might win the Pac 10 plus a couple top 25 teams in conference. They would definitely have a couple losses if they played in the Big XII. I hope they get a chance to show what they can do in a BCS game, but they just don't belong in the national title game. Texas, Oklahoma, Florida are just better teams.

[dems_rightnow]

64. No, it's because

they have black kids on their team. :sarcasm:

[maddowfan]

65. Here's Me Crying For Mormons!

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