Barack, I love you man, but you gotta stop this sexist "girlie" dog shit.

[Nikki Stone1]

You're a role model now and you've gotta show respect for all the women that voted for you. Sounding like Arnold the grabber doesn't help you.

[ColbertWatcher]

1. He only said it once, so there's no "shit" to "stop," and he was obviously teasing. n/t

[MichiganVote]

2. I don't blame him. Girlie dogs are annoying.

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. Really? Some of us don't think so.

:shrug:

[MichiganVote]

43. :) Yup, and that's why "some of us" bring the uninvited mutts over for a visit when

"some of us" don't care for the little doggies and don't think of them as mini stuffed animals with a real bark. To each their own, in their own homes.

[SammyWinstonJack]

55. Geez who pissed in your wheaties?

:shrug:

[MichiganVote]

69. You did it didn't you. Probably wanted to share your coffee and bagel with a friend and took Tookie

or Snookie for a walk to your friend's house. You entered the house all happy and pulled the mini mutt from your oversized purse. Then your pooch barked at anything that moved, scared the resident cats and took a dump on the door mat. Ok, well, just giving you the alternative view. The behind the scene thing where once the poop is cleaned up and you leave to go home, the friend rolls their eyes and sighs cuz' they're too nice to say anything.

[SammyWinstonJack]

79. I don't impose my dogs on anyone. You are taking this to the extreme.

And enjoy your big dog who will ultimately make a bigger mess than any little dog. And you probably wouldn't clean up after your big dog and your friend would be rolling eyes, too nice to say anything. See how that works.

[MichiganVote]

101. :) Blue, I'm only pulling your leg and I own three cats.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. ...

[Danger Mouse]

5. I know, Jesus Statue, I know.

:cry:

[Elidor]

14. ....

[JuniperLea]

18. EW!!!

EW!! EW!!!!



EW!

[JVS]

90. cool

[truedelphi]

4. Obama is under siege. He is surrounded by women - his wife

Her mother, the two girls.

This is not an easy place to be. I relate, as some aspect of my girl psyche is still under the power of memories of those years when my home was invaded by my son and his five or six burly young men friends.

I am willing to cut Obama some slack. He will need it.

[bliss_eternal]

7. Eeeuuww--testosterone time.

lol. Not fun.

My heart goes out to you.
:hug:

[IndyOp]

8. I agree. He deserves some balance in the family -- that isn't sexist. (n/t)

[Nikki Stone1]

12. Suppose he had said he didn't want "faggy" dogs, would that be ok?

You guys have to realize when you're being insulting.

[JuniperLea]

17. straw man

Nothing to do with it, nothing at all. He doesn't live in a house full of homosexual men, he lives in a house of women.

Your outrage might be better used on real issues.

[mondo joe]

22. I never realized "girly" was on par with "faggy" as an insult.

Honest.

[lindbergh]

33. It is. Trust me.

:shrug:

[mondo joe]

34. Who are you?

?

[lindbergh]

37. What do you mean? You want my biography?

Send an email.

[mondo joe]

40. I don't usually consider "trust me" a good reason to believe anything, especially

from a complete stranger.

[lindbergh]

44. You actually are not aware that 'girly' is a word that homophobes use to imply someone's gay?

I find that awfully difficult to believe. :eyes:

[MichiganVote]

47. Not only am I "not aware" I think that is the stupidist thing I've heard in a week

That's just plain dumb.

[lindbergh]

50. Well, you're certainly at odds with a LOT of DUers who took issue with Schwartzenegger's

usage of "girly man" because they considered it a slur against gay men. (I'm gay and I'll kick the ass of any shitbag who calls me that.)

[mondo joe]

52. A word can be homophobic in one context, but not another.

If someone is described in a mocking way as liking pink, it may well be homophobic.

If someone sincerely says he or she likes pink, it is not.

[FreeState]

82. True - however I take issue with using human gender narratives on a dog

what is masculine or feminine in the dog world is not in any way shape or form transferable to humans or vice versa. We may place these terms on dogs, however the term means more about the owner of the dog than the pet - pets do not naturally were clothes or jewelry or ride around in handbags - humans do all that to their dogs.

[MichiganVote]

65. We're talkin' about a mutt, not men. There is a distinction in there on that we can agree.

[mondo joe]

49. I've heard it used to slur men who are feminine, but not women or, more specifically,

lesbians.

In other words: it is used as a slur to describe men, but in and of itself I don't know it to be a slur.

Faggy, however, I have only ever known to be a slur.

[Pirate Smile]

64. I agree that it can be used that way BUT it can also be used in another way which

is how I think Obama was using it and how I've used it to describe one of my daughters (I am a girl too - aka "Mom"). I have one "girly" girl who loves everything pink and frilly, dresses and just girl stuff in general. I have one daughter who doesn't like any of that type of thing.

When I say she is a "girly" girl I am not using it in a derogatory way at all.

I think Obama means a "foo foo" dog - the kind some women carry around in purses and dress up.

He is not using "girly" as a derogatory term to imply someone is gay.


This is one of those PC run amok times.

[mondo joe]

68. That was my read on it as well. NT

[FreeState]

78. PC run amok?

I dont agree. Im sorry but there is nothing "girly" about any dog. Girly is a term used to describe gender norms among humans. If someone dresses a dog up it does not make the dog "girly" it makes the owner of the dog something - but dogs do not naturally were clothing - thats a human construct.

What the hell is a girly dog?

What the hell is a manly dog?

Those are gender narratives that apply to humans and their action IMO.

I should note as well as a gay man the number one insult growing up was to call someone girly/whimp/pussy etc - all gender norm terms used for a female.

[mondo joe]

102. In my experience, as a gay man and as a dad of two girls, it generally

means something cute that lends itself to being pretty.

My daughters would say a little dog that is pretty would be girly - especially if it has longer hair.

I think they would consider a Great Dane or a Bulldog to be other than girly.

"Girly" can be used as a slur - but that doesn't mean it's always a slur.

[JVS]

87. Actually it's a word that implies someone is effeminate, which in turn could be used to imply...

that someone is gay.

[H2O Man]

97. written in stone

wish granted

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Well, he enjoys black face minstrel shows.

But not in a racist way.

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[noamnety]

53. Ugh.

Don't be so disagreeable on your first day here. At least wait til the 2nd or 3rd day.

[anigbrowl]

75. Not convinced.

[FreeState]

36. Ill second that it is infact one in the same usually n/t

[MichiganVote]

46. Its not. This is all just a bunch of stupid stuff.

[truedelphi]

32. When you are in your mid fifties, as I am, girly is nice

And a whole lot better than "old haggy!"

I mean, girly is pretty cool, isn't it? It means clean and fun, and giggles and pink ribbons and good smells. And these days "girly" even means smart.

Maybe I am overly idealizing the word, on account of having a son (Whom I worship) and not a daughter - but girly has a lot going for it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

67. Depends on what kind of faggy dog you are talking about.

Just Kidding.

[anigbrowl]

74. Since he didn't, I think the question is moot

'Girly' is not a pejorative, any more than 'boyish'.

[Uzybone]

9. Jesus Christ.

the outrage.

[greguganus]

10. Put you big girly pants on and give the man a break. n/t

:rofl:

[Dora]

11. Only when men start toting their mini dogs everywhere.

Teacup and toy breeds are "girlie" dogs. They are. The man was speaking the truth. I see no sexism. I would bet my new pair of shoes that women far outnumber men in owning teacup and toy breeds.

[Sanctified]

13. Oh Lord, he said Girlie Dog, get over it.

I don't like girlie dogs either.

[JuniperLea]

15. Jesus Mary and Joseph...

Cut the man some slack. He's in a house full of women, and Michelle doesn't strike me as the type to let him off that easy.

I saw this as a tease that could easily lead to a teaching moment.

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. My dog is a girlie dog and approves of Obama's girlie dog reference

Some people need to lighten up.

[liberalmuse]

19. I have a girlie dog.

She is a bitch. Literally and figuratively, but I wouldn't trade her for the world. She even lifts up her leg like the guys, LOL. I'd love to see the girls get a Chow, but they are very high maintenance. Still, that doesn't mean they aren't the best dogs on the planet.

[sandnsea]

20. And girlie make-up, nail polish, lingerie,

ruffles, - no don't dare admit some things are girlie.

Women have really got to get over some of this stuff.

[JuniperLea]

23. My girlie dogs and I agree with you

I enjoy being a girl, and I'm really starting to resent other women telling me I should feel otherwise.

My daughter is uber girlie, we used to call her Frilly Dilly because she was so girlie. It was a term of endearment, and we relished our girlieness together. We are tough when we need to be. We're girlie, but we're not wimps:)

[IndianaJones]

21. he should also avoid the thug life dogs. nt.

[earth mom]

24. I thought the comment was as funny as hell and I'm a woman.

Those little dogs are cute but they are high maintenance. I know because I had 2 different ones when I was a kid.

So I agree with his comment and also think it was a swipe at *, who, don't forget, had two cute but very mean little yappy girly dogs.

[pacalo]

41. So did I. And they certainly are high maintenance.

I have a feeling it will gravitate toward Obama. Girlie dogs wouldn't be able to keep up with Obama on his morning runs.

[DearAbby]

66. OMG!!!! A FREW FREW DOG

and she doesn't look HAPPY

[anigbrowl]

77. That's 'Frou frou', I'll have you know! It's a French phrase.

Inb4 cheese-eating surrender monkeys etc.

[earth mom]

88. LOL-That is the cutest photo!

:hi:

[sl8]

25. I doubt that this will hurt public opinion of him.

Exhibiting a minor flaw, that many people can relate to, can be an endearing quality. Even better if your spouse can publicly chastise you.

I'm not saying that was his motivation for his comment - I doubt that it was. I do think that that will be the effect on most of of the populace, though.

Of course, comments like that are going to piss off a few people, probably a small minority.

[Cleita]

26. Watch out!

The "no that isn't sexist" police might come around.

[dynasaw]

27. I Think I know What he Means

"Girlie" suggests a sort of artificial, hyper femininity--the frills, pink this and that, overly made up thing, rather than as a negative jab at females. Think of someone like "girlie" Paris Hilton and her annoying yapping animal she totes around like an accessory. Give me a sturdy sensible dog with a definitive "woof" any time.

This is "girlie." Yech!


This is a real dog and one with a reputation of being good with kids:

[ecstatic]

28. I hope you're kidding

I think we as women have bigger fish to fry.

[Lex]

29. "we as women" aren't monolithic

[sl8]

31. You're telling me.

When's the last time you saw a female monolith?

[lumberjack_jeff]

30. LOL! n/t

[fed_up_mother]

35. I hope that was meant to be funny. Obama's comment certainly was. :)

[katanalori]

38. BREAKING

Girlie Dogs file suit to stop President-elect Obama from taking office.
Yips and clips on at 11 o'clock news. OH NOZ!

[noamnety]

39. Sorry, Nikki

DU only gets offended when republicans make sexist jokes. Such is life.

[Marr]

42. We've got a society full of people who are trained to take offense at the drop of a hat.

It seems like half the people out there cannot wait to take offense at something.

I'm reminded of that DC politician from a few years back who ended up being forced to resign because he used the word "niggardly" around people who didn't know what it meant, and were perfectly willing-- even anxious-- to ignore the definition if it meant they could be outraged for a bit.

[ecstatic]

93. oh come on

He had thousands of words to choose from...

[dsc]

48. It really was a dumb comment

and he probably regrets it now thanks to Michele if no one else.

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. It was a dumb comment.

[Edweird]

54. You prepare the articles of impeachment , I'll ready the men to storm the,,,,,,

:sarcasm:

[Ilsa]

57. Lots of "estrogen" in the house. Bill Clinton

had Buddy, his beautiful brown lab. Very masculine choice and a sweet pet.
I hope PE Obama and family find the right pet for them.

[bigtree]

58. "we're a house full of girls"

He may well be a role model, but I'll bet most families recognized his comment as authentic and, possibly, a challenge to their own affinities, but not offensive as a slur or something. The dogs which are small enough for women to sometimes carry around are certainly 'girlie.' The big, bounding, slobbering canines do remind of many of our own familiar males and their own affinities for bounding and slobbering.

[Ichingcarpenter]

59. Anyone married that has kids recognizes the ying yang battle

that goes on with family dynamics. My mother had three boys
and her sister had three girls. It was a common discussion between my
aunt and her sister and even my uncle would chime in on the dynamics
of being overwhelmed. I was lucky we had a boy and girl.

I find his comment a non starter.

[CRF450]

60. I usually call them "chick dogs".

I dont really like them either. Give me a Golden Retriever or Border Collie and I'd be set.

[SammyWinstonJack]

62. "Chick" dogs?

:eyes:

[Ichingcarpenter]

73. My daughter got me my dog for my birthday and told me it was a chick magnet

Yeah, after they finally left for college and the world she gets me a little dog
that would enable me to meet women.



My sexist daughter, the Dane, the artist, the musician.

Now, my dog owns me and we travel everywhere together and the only
magnet I found was my little dog's hair all over the house.

My daughter was plotting against me.

She got me the best friend I've had in years.

[SammyWinstonJack]

76. That is cool!

She got me the best friend I've had in years. :hug:

[nini]

61. It's none of your fucking business how he jokes around with his family

Jesus Christ pick your battles - this is ridiculous.

[ConsAreLiars]

63. Sheesh. A new entry in the perrenial "How Lame Can You Get?" contest. (nt)

[SammyWinstonJack]

71. "Lame" is categorizing dogs as "girly" because they are small.

[CRF450]

81. Thats exactly the point from a guy's perspective.

We have certain likes and dislikes that differ from a woman/girl's personal tastes. Yes it can be gender related, so what?! Its just normal teasing, and its an obvious truth that most women prefer smaller dogs.

Its the same thing as saying a convertible Mustang is a girly car, would that still offend you? If you think thats sexist your just being way too sensitive over this issue.

[ecstatic]

94. convertible mustang isn't girly

now a convertible mits. eclipse is!

[ConsAreLiars]

85. Gee, yet another entry from the humorless uptighty holier-than-thou contingent.

I assume you didn't watch the video. Well, I hope not, since that would be half an excuse.

[Ellen Forradalom]

70. And now you see why sexism persists

Because nobody thinks it exists. It's just the normal state of affairs for most people.

[anigbrowl]

80. Sexism, you say

[Ellen Forradalom]

83. I think we'd be seeing outrage

if he'd said a certain dog was, for example, too 'ghetto.' But say 'girlie' and everyone's all quit-being-so-sensitive.
Whatever :shrug:

[ecstatic]

95. wtf... Sexism is lower pay, forced genital mutilations, forced marriage

Stonings for adultery and rape... not being believed when you claim rape...
Being asked to have sex for a promotion or inappropriate comments at work. The list goes on and on...

Describing a tiny toy dog as "girly" is NOT sexism. You hurt our cause with the false outrage! :mad:

[JackBeck]

72. Michelle should have stood up and bitch slapped him. n/t

[Incitatus]

84. It would be a nice change

having only things like this to complain about instead of a President who starts illegal wars, shits on the Constitution and causes pain and suffering for millions.

I can't wait.

[AZBlue]

86. Oh come on, let's not focus on and dissect every single word out of his mouth.

We'll get nowhere if we start this b.s.

[Kahuna]

89. Oh please. Of all things to get your panties in a wad over..

File this under: Get Over Yourself

[Nihil]

91. Nah, it's just a warm up for when Obama says:

"Yeah, she's a lovely little bitch!"

:hide:

[Vinca]

92. The entire "girlie dog" issue is absolutely idiotic. Can't the guy tell a joke?

Sheesh - Paris, Britney and others have made "girlie dogs" a fashion accessory. You don't see a German Shephard in anyone's handbag.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

96. Hey, He Don't Want No Bitch. Nothing To Get The Panties All Wadded Up Over.

[mdmc]

98. ?

I only heard him say this once, in jest..

We all want a pres that has a real dog...

[madmom]

99. I'm a girl and I don't like girlie dogs either,I'm with him I like big robust dogs.

[Kahuna]

100. Me too. nt

:thumbsup:

[dem629]

103. Hey! You used "man" as slang, and that is OFFENSIVE! Also, the term "dog shit" is OFFENSIVE!

Everyone get outraged and offended about something! Quick!

[Nikki Stone1]

104. So women should just sit back and take it, huh?

Some progressives we have here.

[kitty1]

105. Obama just doesn't want a dog you can carry around in a handbag n/t