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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:27 PM
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The End of American Thanksgivings: A Cause for Universal Rejoicing






Nobody celebrates Thanksgiving quite like Americans celebrate Thanksgiving. It is reserved by history and the intent of “the founders” as the supremely white American holiday, the most ghoulish event on the national calendar. No Halloween of the imagination can rival the exterminationist reality that was the genesis, and remains the legacy, of the American Thanksgiving. It is the most loathsome, humanity-insulting day of the year – a pure glorification of racist barbarity.

We at BC are thankful that the day grows nearer when the almost four centuries-old abomination will be deprived of its reason for being: white supremacy. Then we may all eat and drink in peace and gratitude for the blessings of humanity’s deliverance from the rule of evil men.

Thanksgiving is much more than a lie – if it were that simple, an historical correction of the record of events in 1600s Massachusetts would suffice to purge the “flaw” in the national mythology. But Thanksgiving is not just a twisted fable, and the mythology it nurtures is itself inherently evil. The real-life events – subsequently revised – were perfectly understood at the time as the first, definitive triumphs of the genocidal European project in New England. The near-erasure of Native Americans in Massachusetts and, soon thereafter, from most of the remainder of the northern English colonial seaboard was the true mission of the Pilgrim enterprise – Act One of the American Dream. African Slavery commenced contemporaneously – an overlapping and ultimately inseparable Act Two.

The last Act in the American drama must be the “root and branch” eradication of all vestiges of Act One and Two – America’s seminal crimes and formative projects. Thanksgiving as presently celebrated – that is, as a national political event – is an affront to civilization.

Celebrating the unspeakable

White America embraced Thanksgiving because a majority of that population glories in the fruits, if not the unpleasant details, of genocide and slavery and feels, on the whole, good about their heritage: a cornucopia of privilege and national power. Children are taught to identify with the good fortune of the Pilgrims. It does not much matter that the Native American and African holocausts that flowed from the feast at Plymouth are hidden from the children’s version of the story – kids learn soon enough that Indians were made scarce and Africans became enslaved. But they will also never forget the core message of the holiday: that the Pilgrims were good people, who could not have purposely set such evil in motion. Just as the first Thanksgivings marked the consolidation of the English toehold in what became the United States, the core ideological content of the holiday serves to validate all that has since occurred on these shores – a national consecration of the unspeakable, a balm and benediction for the victors, a blessing of the fruits of murder and kidnapping, and an implicit obligation to continue the seamless historical project in the present day.

The Thanksgiving story is an absolution of the Pilgrims, whose brutal quest for absolute power in the New World is made to seem both religiously motivated and eminently human. Most importantly, the Pilgrims are depicted as victims – of harsh weather and their own naïve yet wholesome visions of a new beginning. In light of this carefully nurtured fable, whatever happened to the Indians, from Plymouth to California and beyond, in the aftermath of the 1621 dinner must be considered a mistake, the result of misunderstandings – at worst, a series of lamentable tragedies. The story provides the essential first frame of the American saga. It is unalloyed racist propaganda, a tale that endures because it served the purposes of a succession of the Pilgrims’ political heirs, in much the same way that Nazi-enhanced mythology of a glorious Aryan/German past advanced another murderous, expansionist mission.

Thanksgiving is quite dangerous – as were the Pilgrims.

Rejoicing in a cemetery

The English settlers, their ostensibly religious venture backed by a trading company, were glad to discover that they had landed in a virtual cemetery in 1620. Corn still sprouted in the abandoned fields of the Wampanoags, but only a remnant of the local population remained around the fabled Rock. In a letter to England, Massachusetts Bay colony founder John Winthrop wrote, "But for the natives in these parts, God hath so pursued them, as for 300 miles space the greatest part of them are swept away by smallpox which still continues among them. So as God hath thereby cleared our title to this place, those who remain in these parts, being in all not 50, have put themselves under our protection."

Ever diligent to claim their own advantages as God’s will, the Pilgrims thanked their deity for having “pursued” the Indians to mass death. However, it was not divine intervention that wiped out most of the natives around the village of Patuxet but, most likely, smallpox-embedded blankets planted during an English visit or slave raid. Six years before the Pilgrim landing, a ship sailed into Patuxet’s harbor, captained by none other than the famous seaman and mercenary soldier John Smith, former leader of the first successful English colony in the New World, at Jamestown, Virginia. Epidemic and slavery followed in his wake, as Debra Glidden described in IMDiversity.com:

In 1614 the Plymouth Company of England, a joint stock company, hired Captain John Smith to explore land in its behalf. Along what is now the coast of Massachusetts in the territory of the Wampanoag, Smith visited the town of Patuxet according to "The Colonial Horizon," a 1969 book edited by William Goetzinan. Smith renamed the town Plymouth in honor of his employers, but the Wampanoag who inhabited the town continued to call it Patuxet.





The following year Captain Hunt, an English slave trader, arrived at Patuxet. It was common practice for explorers to capture Indians, take them to Europe and sell them into slavery for 220 shillings apiece. That practice was described in a 1622 account of happenings entitled "A Declaration of the State of the Colony and Affairs in Virginia," written by Edward Waterhouse. True to the explorer tradition, Hunt kidnapped a number of Wampanoags to sell into slavery.

Another common practice among European explorers was to give "smallpox blankets" to the Indians. Since smallpox was unknown on this continent prior to the arrival of the Europeans, Native Americans did not have any natural immunity to the disease so smallpox would effectively wipe out entire villages with very little effort required by the Europeans. William Fenton describes how Europeans decimated Native American villages in his 1957 work "American Indian and White relations to 1830." From 1615 to 1619 smallpox ran rampant among the Wampanoags and their neighbors to the north. The Wampanoag lost 70 percent of their population to the epidemic and the Massachusetts lost 90 percent.

Most of the Wampanoag had died from the smallpox epidemic so when the Pilgrims arrived they found well-cleared fields which they claimed for their own. A Puritan colonist, quoted by Harvard University's Perry Miller, praised the plague that had wiped out the Indians for it was "the wonderful preparation of the Lord Jesus Christ, by his providence for his people's abode in the Western world."

Historians have since speculated endlessly on why the woods in the region resembled a park to the disembarking Pilgrims in 1620. The reason should have been obvious: hundreds, if not thousands, of people had lived there just five years before.

In less than three generations the settlers would turn all of New England into a charnel house for Native Americans, and fire the economic engines of slavery throughout English-speaking America. Plymouth Rock is the place where the nightmare truly began.

The uninvited?

It is not at all clear what happened at the first – and only – “integrated” Thanksgiving feast. Only two written accounts of the three-day event exist, and one of them, by Governor William Bradford, was written 20 years after the fact. Was Chief Massasoit invited to bring 90 Indians with him to dine with 52 colonists, most of them women and children? This seems unlikely. A good harvest had provided the settlers with plenty of food, according to their accounts, so the whites didn’t really need the Wampanoag’s offering of five deer. What we do know is that there had been lots of tension between the two groups that fall. John Two-Hawks, who runs the Native Circle web site, gives a sketch of the facts:

“Thanksgiving' did not begin as a great loving relationship between the pilgrims and the Wampanoag, Pequot and Narragansett people. In fact, in October of 1621 when the pilgrim survivors of their first winter in Turtle Island sat down to share the first unofficial 'Thanksgiving' meal, the Indians who were there were not even invited! There was no turkey, squash, cranberry sauce or pumpkin pie. A few days before this alleged feast took place, a company of 'pilgrims' led by Miles Standish actively sought the head of a local Indian chief, and an 11 foot high wall was erected around the entire Plymouth settlement for the very purpose of keeping Indians out!”

It is much more likely that Chief Massasoit either crashed the party, or brought enough men to ensure that he was not kidnapped or harmed by the Pilgrims. Dr. Tingba Apidta, in his “Black Folks’ Guide to Understanding Thanksgiving,” surmises that the settlers “brandished their weaponry” early and got drunk soon thereafter. He notes that “each Pilgrim drank at least a half gallon of beer a day, which they preferred even to water. This daily inebriation led their governor, William Bradford, to comment on his people's ‘notorious sin,’ which included their ‘drunkenness and uncleanliness’ and rampant ‘sodomy.’”



Soon after the feast the brutish Miles Standish “got his bloody prize,” Dr. Apidta writes:

“He went to the Indians, pretended to be a trader, then beheaded an Indian man named Wituwamat. He brought the head to Plymouth, where it was displayed on a wooden spike for many years, according to Gary B. Nash, ‘as a symbol of white power.’ Standish had the Indian man's young brother hanged from the rafters for good measure. From that time on, the whites were known to the Indians of Massachusetts by the name ‘Wotowquenange,’ which in their tongue meant cutthroats and stabbers.”

What is certain is that the first feast was not called a “Thanksgiving” at the time; no further integrated dining occasions were scheduled; and the first, official all-Pilgrim “Thanksgiving” had to wait until 1637, when the whites of New England celebrated the massacre of the Wampanoag’s southern neighbors, the Pequots.

The real Thanksgiving Day Massacre

The Pequots today own the Foxwood Casino and Hotel, in Ledyard, Connecticut, with gross gaming revenues of over $9 billion in 2000. This is truly a (very belated) miracle, since the real first Pilgrim Thanksgiving was intended as the Pequot’s epitaph. Sixteen years after the problematical Plymouth feast, the English tried mightily to erase the Pequots from the face of the Earth, and thanked God for the blessing.

Having subdued, intimidated or made mercenaries of most of the tribes of Massachusetts, the English turned their growing force southward, toward the rich Connecticut valley, the Pequot’s sphere of influence. At the point where the Mystic River meets the sea, the combined force of English and allied Indians bypassed the Pequot fort to attack and set ablaze a town full of women, children and old people.

William Bradford, the former Governor of Plymouth and one of the chroniclers of the 1621 feast, was also on hand for the great massacre of 1637:

"Those that escaped the fire were slain with the sword; some hewed to pieces, others run through with their rapiers, so that they were quickly dispatched and very few escaped. It was conceived they thus destroyed about 400 at this time. It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fire...horrible was the stink and scent thereof, but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice, and they gave the prayers thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully for them, thus to enclose their enemies in their hands, and give them so speedy a victory over so proud and insulting an enemy."

The rest of the white folks thought so, too. “This day forth shall be a day of celebration and thanksgiving for subduing the Pequots," read Governor John Winthrop’s proclamation. The authentic Thanksgiving Day was born.



Most historians believe about 700 Pequots were slaughtered at Mystic. Many prisoners were executed, and surviving women and children sold into slavery in the West Indies. Pequot prisoners that escaped execution were parceled out to Indian tribes allied with the English. The Pequot were thought to have been extinguished as a people. According to IndyMedia, “The Pequot tribe numbered 8,000 when the Pilgrims arrived, but disease had brought their numbers down to 1,500 by 1637. The Pequot ‘War’ killed all but a handful of remaining members of the tribe.”

But there were still too many Indians around to suit the whites of New England, who bided their time while their own numbers increased to critical, murderous mass.

Guest’s head on a pole

By the 1670s the colonists, with 8,000 men under arms, felt strong enough to demand that the Pilgrims’ former dinner guests the Wampanoags disarm and submit to the authority of the Crown. After a series of settler provocations in 1675, the Wampanoag struck back, under the leadership of Chief Metacomet, son of Massasoit, called King Philip by the English. Metacomet/Philip, whose wife and son were captured and sold into West Indian slavery, wiped out 13 settlements and killed 600 adult white men before the tide of battle turned. A 1996 issue of the Revolutionary Worker provides an excellent narrative.

In their victory, the settlers launched an all-out genocide against the remaining Native people. The Massachusetts government offered 20 shillings bounty for every Indian scalp, and 40 shillings for every prisoner who could be sold into slavery. Soldiers were allowed to enslave any Indian woman or child under 14 they could capture. The "Praying Indians" who had converted to Christianity and fought on the side of the European troops were accused of shooting into the treetops during battles with "hostiles." They were enslaved or killed. Other "peaceful" Indians of Dartmouth and Dover were invited to negotiate or seek refuge at trading posts – and were sold onto slave ships.

It is not known how many Indians were sold into slavery, but in this campaign, 500 enslaved Indians were shipped from Plymouth alone. Of the 12,000 Indians in the surrounding tribes, probably about half died from battle, massacre and starvation.

After King Philip's War, there were almost no Indians left free in the northern British colonies. A colonist wrote from Manhattan's New York colony: "There is now but few Indians upon the island and those few no ways hurtful. It is to be admired how strangely they have decreased by the hand of God, since the English first settled in these parts." In Massachusetts, the colonists declared a "day of public thanksgiving" in 1676, saying, "there now scarce remains a name or family of them but are either slain, captivated or fled."

Fifty-five years after the original Thanksgiving Day, the Puritans had destroyed the generous Wampanoag and all other neighboring tribes. The Wampanoag chief King Philip was beheaded. His head was stuck on a pole in Plymouth, where the skull still hung on display 24 years later.

This is not thought to be a fit Thanksgiving tale for the children of today, but it’s the real story, well-known to the settler children of New England at the time – the white kids who saw the Wampanoag head on the pole year after year and knew for certain that God loved them best of all, and that every atrocity they might ever commit against a heathen, non-white was blessed.

There’s a good term for the process thus set in motion: nation-building.

Roots of the slave trade

The British North American colonists’ practice of enslaving Indians for labor or direct sale to the West Indies preceded the appearance of the first chained Africans at the dock in Jamestown, Virginia, in 1619. The Jamestown colonists’ human transaction with the Dutch vessel was an unscheduled occurrence. However, once the African slave trade became commercially established, the fates of Indians and Africans in the colonies became inextricably entwined. New England, born of up-close-and-personal, burn-them-in-the-fires-of-hell genocide, led the political and commercial development of the English colonies. The region also led the nascent nation’s descent into a slavery-based society and economy.



Ironically, an apologist for Virginian slavery made one of the best, early cases for the indictment of New England as the engine of the American slave trade. Unreconstructed secessionist Lewis Dabney’s 1867 book “A Defense of Virginia” traced the slave trade’s origins all the way back to Plymouth Rock:

The planting of the commercial States of North America began with the colony of Puritan Independents at Plymouth, in 1620, which was subsequently enlarged into the State of Massachusetts. The other trading colonies, Rhode Island and Connecticut, as well as New Hampshire (which never had an extensive shipping interest), were offshoots of Massachusetts. They partook of the same characteristics and pursuits; and hence, the example of the parent colony is taken here as a fair representation of them.

The first ship from America, which embarked in the African slave trade, was the Desire, Captain Pierce, of Salem; and this was among the first vessels ever built in the colony. The promptitude with which the "Puritan Fathers" embarked in this business may be comprehended, when it is stated that the Desire sailed upon her voyage in June, 1637. The first feeble and dubious foothold was gained by the white man at Plymouth less than seventeen years before; and as is well known, many years were expended by the struggle of the handful of settlers for existence. So that it may be correctly said, that the commerce of New England was born of the slave trade; as its subsequent prosperity was largely founded upon it. The Desire, proceeding to the Bahamas, with a cargo of "dry fish and strong liquors, the only commodities for those parts," obtained the negroes from two British men-of-war, which had captured them from a Spanish slaver.

Thus, the trade of which the good ship Desire, of Salem, was the harbinger, grew into grand proportions; and for nearly two centuries poured a flood of wealth into New England, as well as no inconsiderable number of slaves. Meanwhile, the other maritime colonies of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, and Connecticut, followed the example of their elder sister emulously; and their commercial history is but a repetition of that of Massachusetts. The towns of Providence, Newport, and New Haven became famous slave trading ports. The magnificent harbor of the second, especially, was the favorite starting-place of the slave ships; and its commerce rivaled, or even exceeded, that of the present commercial metropolis, New York. All the four original States, of course, became slaveholding.

The Revolution that exploded in 1770s New England was undertaken by men thoroughly imbued with the worldview of the Indian-killer and slave-holder. How could they not be? The “country” they claimed as their own was fathered by genocide and mothered by slavery – its true distinction among the commercial nations of the world. And these men were not ashamed, but proud, with vast ambition to spread their exceptional characteristics West and South and wherever their so-far successful project in nation-building might take them – and by the same bloody, savage methods that had served them so well in the past.



At the moment of deepest national crisis following the battle of Gettysburg in 1863, President Abraham Lincoln invoked the national fable that is far more central to the white American personality than Lincoln’s battlefield “Address.” Lincoln seized upon the 1621 feast as the historic “Thanksgiving” – bypassing the official and authentic 1637 precedent – and assigned the dateless, murky event the fourth Thursday in November.

Lincoln surveyed a broken nation, and attempted nation-rebuilding, based on the purest white myth. The same year that he issued the Emancipation Proclamation, he renewed the national commitment to a white manifest destiny that began at Plymouth Rock. Lincoln sought to rekindle a shared national mission that former Confederates and Unionists and white immigrants from Europe could collectively embrace. It was and remains a barbaric and racist national unifier, by definition. Only the most fantastic lies can sanitize the history of the Plymouth Colony of Massachusetts.

”Like a rock”

The Thanksgiving holiday fable is at once a window on the way that many, if not most, white Americans view the world and their place in it, and a pollutant that leaches barbarism into the modern era. The fable attempts to glorify the indefensible, to enshrine an era and mission that represent the nation’s lowest moral denominators. Thanksgiving as framed in the mythology is, consequently, a drag on that which is potentially civilizing in the national character, a crippling, atavistic deformity. Defenders of the holiday will claim that the politically-corrected children’s version promotes brotherhood, but that is an impossibility – a bald excuse to prolong the worship of colonial “forefathers” and to erase the crimes they committed. Those bastards burned the Pequot women and children, and ushered in the multinational business of slavery. These are facts. The myth is an insidious diversion – and worse.

Humanity cannot tolerate a 21st Century superpower, much of whose population perceives the world through the eyes of 17th Century land and flesh bandits. Yet that is the trick that fate has played on the globe. We described the roots of the planetary dilemma in our March 13, 2003 commentary, “Racism & War, Perfect Together.”

The English arrived with criminal intent - and brought wives and children to form new societies predicated on successful plunder. To justify the murderous enterprise, Indians who had initially cooperated with the squatters were transmogrified into "savages" deserving displacement and death. The relentlessly refreshed lie of Indian savagery became a truth in the minds of white Americans, a fact to be acted upon by every succeeding generation of whites. The settlers became a singular people confronting the great "frontier" - a euphemism for centuries of genocidal campaigns against a darker, "savage" people marked for extinction.

The necessity of genocide was the operative, working assumption of the expanding American nation. "Manifest Destiny" was born at Plymouth Rock and Jamestown, later to fall (to paraphrase Malcolm) like a rock on Mexico, the Philippines, Haiti, Nicaragua, etc. Little children were taught that the American project was inherently good, Godly, and that those who got in the way were "evil-doers" or just plain subhuman, to be gloriously eliminated. The lie is central to white American identity, embraced by waves of European settlers who never saw a red person.

Only a century ago, American soldiers caused the deaths of possibly a million Filipinos whom they had been sent to “liberate” from Spanish rule. They didn’t even know who they were killing, and so rationalized their behavior by substituting the usual American victims. Colonel Funston, of the Twentieth Kansas Volunteers, explained what got him motivated in the Philippines:

"Our fighting blood was up and we all wanted to kill 'niggers.' This shooting human beings is a 'hot game,' and beats rabbit hunting all to pieces." Another wrote that "the boys go for the enemy as if they were chasing jack-rabbits .... I, for one, hope that Uncle Sam will apply the chastening rod, good, hard, and plenty, and lay it on until they come into the reservation and promise to be good 'Injuns.'"

Our military leaders in Iraq continue to personify the unfitness of Americans to play a major role in the world, much less rule it.



What does this have to do with the Mayflower? Everything. Although possibly against their wishes, the Pilgrims hosted the Wampanoag for three no doubt anxious days. The same men killed and enslaved Wampanoags immediately before and after the feast. They, their newly arrived English comrades and their children roasted hundreds of neighboring Indians alive just 16 years later, and two generations afterwards cleared nearly the whole of New England of its indigenous “savages,” while enthusiastically enriching themselves through the invention of transoceanic, sophisticated means of enslaving millions. The Mayflower’s cultural heirs are programmed to find glory in their own depravity and savagery in their most helpless victims, who can only redeem themselves by accepting the inherent goodness of white Americans.

Thanksgiving encourages these cognitive cripples in their madness, just as it is designed to do.

Things are looking up

We began this essay by saying that “the day grows nearer when the almost four centuries-old abomination will be deprived of its reason for being: white supremacy.” We firmly believe this. The wired world works against the Bushites insane leap to global hegemony, while creating the material basis for (dare we say the words) brother- and sisterhood among humankind. It becomes clear that the fruits of millennia of human genius cannot be captured and packaged for the enrichment of a few for much longer – and certainly not by a cabal that cannot see beyond the bubble of its own, warped history. The dim outlines of a new and more democratic world order can be seen in the often tentative, but sometimes dramatic actions of movements and nations determined to construct a fairer way to live. As the world witnesses the brutality, stupidity and sheer incompetence of the Pirates currently at the helm of the United States, the urgency of a common, alternative human project becomes apparent to all. The “end of history” that the Bushites triumphantly announce is really the end of them, through a process they have accelerated with every deranged action and delusional strategy they have undertaken since 2001.

They are like men in quicksand. White racism as a global scourge will sink with them, and eventually whither to a mere prejudice rather than a world-threatening menace.

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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:42 PM
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1. Thank you
My roommate and I were just discussing this same topic. A truly barbaric holiday.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:44 PM
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2.  Me, I'm going to the traditional Thanksgiving Feast at
the Gila River Indian Community, New Lone Butte Casino . Best Thanksgiving buffet in Phoenix.

Woooo Hoooo! Just in time for the HOLIDAYS



The New Lone Butte Casino Opens in Chandler

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In its newly constructed 120,000 square feet of space, Lone Butte Casino will offer 850 of the newest and most exciting slots, 24 Las Vegas-style blackjack and Pai Gow tables, a state-of-the-art 750-seat Bingo Hall, and a High Limit Gaming Area offering privacy and comfort.


Lone Butte Casino is one of the region's premier entertainment destinations. Owned and operated by the Gila River Indian Community, Lone Butte Casino is easy to find, just off Loop 202, the Santan Freeway at 1077 South Kyrene Road. The new casino is one mile east of the previous Lone Butte Casino.Text


BTW, if you need a wet blanket to throw on the Holiday they have some beautiful, hand crafted ones in the casino gift shop!


http://www.wingilariver.com/lonebutte.php
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 02:31 PM
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19. Thanks for the tip.
They are not too far from the homestead.:D
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Lifetimedem Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:46 PM
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3. I am Thankful
For the good things God has blessed me with.

Today is not a political statement, it is a day of friends and family .


Happy Thanksgiving to all !
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:05 PM
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6. It certainly is a day of political statement
Edited on Thu Nov-27-08 01:05 PM by Orwellian_Ghost
regardless of whether you or I may wish it to be otherwise.

Consider the following:


Take for example this discussion about Thanksgiving. There are plenty of excuses in the comments why some still practice the usual form of thanksgiving. Some have tried to justify it as some form of a teaching tool.

Being in solidarity with Indigenous peoples means looking at their example - at what many native people do for this day - and that is to declare a day of mourning and a fast.

If you really want to prove how non-racist you are - then how about following THEIR example. If you really want to offer a teachable moment to your family and friends, tell them you aren't having a big feast on THIS PARTICULAR DAY because you want to honor the native people of the Americas in their, and their Ancestors, continuing struggle to resist genocide. That's setting an example. Move your get-together to another day if its THAT important to you. Lead by example.

As for the people who use the worn out excuses about "winner take all..." and "march of history..." - all I can say is your Ancestors still survive, and they weep for your ignorance because not only do you forget the native people of the Americas - but you forget your own Indigenous heritage and the traditional knowledge your people once knew that would teach you how to act with respect for all living things.

My prayers,
Aniomez



"Thanksgiving"- a National Day of Mourning

an editorial by Publisher/Editor - Terri J Andrews

Never before in the history of America has a subset of this country's population been so misrepresented, lied about, and viciously condemned and criticized than the Native American Indians. Our own history books present a censored and false past that glorifies the "proud, pure and righteous" settlers, while stereotyping the original inhabitants as wild savages in war bonnets, running through the forest looking for food and scalping innocent children and women.

Take a look through a child's history book and you will often note an image of the pilgrims, colonists and pioneers that include log cabins, the pursuit of religious freedom and a strong sense of community. Now look for references to the Native peoples - words such as "primitive", "massacre", "Earth Gods" and "religious rituals" fill those same pages. Often times, paintings of the Native Indians hiding behind trees with tomahawks, watching the unsuspecting Europeans, are wrongly depicted to children.

This is a common thread woven through the fabric of American history - a lie that ties together a past built on stolen tradition and absent information retold in books authored by non-Native Americans.

The Thanksgiving holiday is a perfect example of censorship and the rewriting of truth. A portrait painted of the friendly Indians and the openhearted pilgrims coming together to feast after a long, sorry winter is accepted and tolerated by the American community. But this portrait is not correct. The story is much deeper than that; so much deeper that the Native American Indian community calls this day - The National Day of Mourning - and stages rallies to protest the holiday. Their reasons are valid. The true story of Thanksgiving is not something a country should be proud of.

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http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/turquoisebutterfly/thanksgiving.html

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:22 PM
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11. Here's a Thanksgiving political statement I think everyone should read
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 10:30 PM
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27. Today is NOT about proving how non-racist you are
It's about giving thanks for what you have.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 10:51 PM
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30. Says who?
Racism is an institutional concept. It's perpetuated in numerous ways through innumerable institutional mechanisms.

You can perpetuate these if you wish, I choose not to.

If you do so in ways you are not aware of or refuse to acknowledge these grave injustices that does not change the fact that you have tacitly given your approval.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 12:05 AM
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32. May I ask what your race is?
And may I also ask what you did today to further the well-being of people of other races?


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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:00 AM
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43. A member of the human race
Who acknowledges that we should atone for the genocide that was incited -- and condoned -- by the very men we idolize as our 'heroic' founding fathers.

Are you a member of the human race who is incited by the very mention of the idea that sends most Americans into apoplectic fits -- which speaks volumes about our historical hypocrisy and its relation to the contemporary politics of empire in the United States?

Did you perpetuate the myth?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:05 AM
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44. I'm white
and I think white guilt is a pile of shit.
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Sex Pistol Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:23 AM
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57. Well said! Thanksgiving, like the 4th of July is actually a meaningful holiday.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:46 PM
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4. Hmmmm ....
I am guessing there are no Thanksgiving recipes here ?

:silly:
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:30 PM
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12. Peanut Oil, 325 degrees, and for God's sake don't forget to make sure the turkey's
thawed and dry! 3.5 minutes per pound.

That's all I got. But DAYUM it's going to be good.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 12:52 PM
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5. I doubt it. The founder's myth of Thanksgiving will just be altered
to accomodate any changes to society. All nations and cultures develop founders' myths, based partly on fact but mostly on a need to justify that cultures crimes and that nation's actions against the previous inhabitants. Romulus and Remus, Moses, the Pilgrims, and all of them, develop stories explaining why they are the real rightful inhabitants to the land they took from someone else.

Thanksgiving was forgotten until the later 19th century when America needed a myth to explain why they were justified in their westward extermination of the Native Americans. America has a lot of such myths, from the Revolution and Civil War to Viet Nam and Iraq. All actions are justified by the nation's mythology.

Thanksgiving will adapt, despite historical reality. If we can't even admit that Columbus--a slaver, murderer, genocidal ruler, and child rapist--doesn't deserve a national holiday, Thanksgiving isn't going away.

Decent article, though. A little too rhetorical at points to persuade those not already aware, but a good analysis nonetheless, IMHO.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:09 PM
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7. I'm having lobster this year
Edited on Thu Nov-27-08 01:12 PM by slackmaster
Then going to party with my neighbors. If that's not non-traditional enough for anyone, I don't care.

I see it as a day of contemplation and rest. This year I am resolving not to bait, troll, or make fun of vegetarians and vegans any more. That's my political statement.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:35 PM
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14. That is VERY traditional, to the Northeast
where Lobster was very plentiful at one time
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 01:07 AM
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37. Early Puritan workers rioted over lobster once
They said they should not be forced to eat lobster more than 5 days a week. They were sick of the stuff.

But it's about as traditional a Thanksgiving meal as you can get, since it was what most of the poorer colonists were eating.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 09:36 AM
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48. And it was delicious
Edited on Fri Nov-28-08 09:45 AM by slackmaster
I ended up spending much of the day making three pies from the smallest of my homegrown Cinderella pumpkins, all from scratch. They came out a little ragged looking but tasting wonderful. I have two full pies to give away over the weekend.

I made a casserole from pieces of lobster tail, large shrimp, veggies, and cheeses, and ate about 1/3 of it.

Today I plan to stuff some BIG jalapeño peppers with shrimp, scallops, and cheese for some friends.

Food is good. I went out on a beer run yesterday but have not needed to buy any foodstuffs at all or drive more than a few blocks from home, which is great. My kitchen is pretty well stocked.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:13 PM
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8. Perhaps you should do some readying on the actual origin of Thanksgiving
and it is far from the foundation myth of this country...

Nor does it go back to 1600s Massachusetts Bay Colony... free hint, look at the Ciivil War for the first celebrations of it...

Truthfully it is a morphed (and it will morph again) celebration of the bounty of the land... and a good crop. That is exactly what this is, a harvest holiday

Yes Virginia, this is an agricultural holiday

Me, will have a good meal in the company of friends and family...


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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 07:52 PM
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22. Thank you for that. n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 08:56 PM
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24. A view from down under
A little dated- but true enough:

America's spirit of Thanksgiving has a new home

The "pursuit of happiness" - a value held more dear in Australia than in its country of origin - cannot be defeated by terror, writes Bruce C. Wolpe.
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Today is Thanksgiving in America, its greatest secular holiday, and the embodiment of goodness and contentment in a free land. An account from that first Thanksgiving event reads: "By the goodness of God, we are so far from want that we often wish you partakers of our plenty."

This idea of partaking in plenty ultimately proved terribly powerful; indeed, revolutionary. On July 4, 1776, in Philadelphia, Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence, written principally by Thomas Jefferson.

There is one phrase that leaps out across the centuries; one phrase that maintains the most compelling resonance today: "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." (My italics.)

Equality and inalienable rights are a hallmark of modern Western civilisation and political culture. But think about that last phrase: a revolution premised on the "pursuit of happiness." Extraordinary: legitimacy for an armed uprising to go after the right to do that which makes you happy and fulfilled!

It beats the hell out of Marx, as Gorbachev, Jiang Zemin, Fidel and Kim Jong-il know all too well. And it transcends and has survived the test of time: Jefferson's agrarian ideal remains relevant in a post-Marxist, post-modern world. The pursuit of happiness could not be killed off even by the rude interruption of the industrial revolution.

No two countries share this value more closely than America and Australia. America was founded because the British never encouraged common citizens to have the right to pursue happiness. (It's still not a big thing for them.) Australia came to celebrate it only after its reorientation away from Britain, and towards America, over the past 60 years.

Australia holds the pursuit of happiness even dearer than the country of origin of happy pursuits. It took the terrorist massacre in Bali to make this perfectly clear.

Recall the words of our leaders after the homicide bombing in Bali on October 12.

The Prime Minister told a news conference the next day: "Many of the Australians in this nightclub were doing something that thousands of young Australians do at this time of the year, they mark the end of a season of sport with some fun in another place. They were carrying on that innocent and understandably exuberant pastime that is something that we take for granted as Australians."

And Simon Crean said in remarks to parliament a day later: "The common thread that one sees is young Australians on holiday, young Australians who were over there to enjoy themselves and young Australians, victims of this, who have been cut down in the prime of their lives."

Jefferson would understand full well why Australia's leaders were impelled to say what they said in the face of such tragedy.

What was attacked was the pursuit of happiness.

It can indeed be attacked. It will almost surely be attacked again, perhaps directly on Australian soil. But it can never be defeated in Australia.

There are significant differences in the national mood right now in America and Australia. September 11 and October 12 are definitively linked, but each event has had a disparate impact on the national psyche.

In America, the aftermath from the shock has been mourning, anger, resolve and vengeance. In Australia, the aftermath has been mourning, anger, resolve and temperance.

Everyone in America knew that after the attacks in New York and Washington, the war in Afghanistan was coming, and they wanted it brought on without mercy to take down Osama bin Laden. And Saddam Hussein is next.

Australia is no military superpower, and certainly cannot resort to the remedies America enforces. Nevertheless, while Australia understood the need to fight in Afghanistan, no one in Australia has called for the SAS to be dispatched to villages in Indonesia to wipe out terrorist cells. And there is no groundswell for an invasion of Iraq.

New York and Washington were sombre for months after September 11. Australia has been subdued since October 12, but no one understands why Paul McCartney cancelled his show. Bruce Springsteen, who tours Australia next year with his haunting melodies from The Rising, will show McCartney up. The beaches are open. The planes are full. The fashion glitters. Restaurants and bars are packed. Traffic clogs the roads. The malls are mobbed. The economy rocks.

No Jemaah Islamiah can keep this country down.

The pursuit of happiness has been diminished in America. It has never been embraced more strongly in Australia than on this Thanksgiving Day.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/27/1038386200862.html

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:13 PM
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9. so which religion was imposed by the invaders did you say? nt
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:19 PM
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10. but...but...but


Gawd, I still have vague memories of grade school textbooks with the obligatory sketches of happy "pilgrims and indians."

Interesting article!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:33 PM
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13. nearly as much a twisting of history as the happy pilgrims and indians
story. a raging polemic full of errors. simplistic evil western culture narrative.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:58 PM
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16. That was rather vague
Could you please specify where you found the article to be in error?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 06:09 PM
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 10:37 PM
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28. Don't you know?
The whole POINT of the US is to keep the brown people down.

Duh. :eyes:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 01:36 PM
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15. A People's History of the United States: 1492 to Present by Howard Zinn
Edited on Thu Nov-27-08 01:36 PM by BrklynLiberal


Amazon.com Review
Consistently lauded for its lively, readable prose, this revised and updated edition of A People's History of the United States turns traditional textbook history on its head. Howard Zinn infuses the often-submerged voices of blacks, women, American Indians, war resisters, and poor laborers of all nationalities into this thorough narrative that spans American history from Christopher Columbus's arrival to an afterword on the Clinton presidency.

Addressing his trademark reversals of perspective, Zinn--a teacher, historian, and social activist for more than 20 years--explains, "My point is not that we must, in telling history, accuse, judge, condemn Columbus in absentia. It is too late for that; it would be a useless scholarly exercise in morality. But the easy acceptance of atrocities as a deplorable but necessary price to pay for progress (Hiroshima and Vietnam, to save Western civilization; Kronstadt and Hungary, to save socialism; nuclear proliferation, to save us all)--that is still with us. One reason these atrocities are still with us is that we have learned to bury them in a mass of other facts, as radioactive wastes are buried in containers in the earth."

If your last experience of American history was brought to you by junior high school textbooks--or even if you're a specialist--get ready for the other side of stories you may not even have heard. With its vivid descriptions of rarely noted events, A People's History of the United States is required reading for anyone who wants to take a fresh look at the rich, rocky history of America.

From Publishers Weekly
According to this classic of revisionist American history, narratives of national unity and progress are a smoke screen disguising the ceaseless conflict between elites and the masses whom they oppress and exploit. Historian Zinn sides with the latter group in chronicling Indians' struggle against Europeans, blacks' struggle against racism, women's struggle against patriarchy, and workers' struggle against capitalists. First published in 1980, the volume sums up decades of post-war scholarship into a definitive statement of leftist, multicultural, anti-imperialist historiography. This edition updates that project with new chapters on the Clinton and Bush presidencies, which deplore Clinton's pro-business agenda, celebrate the 1999 Seattle anti-globalization protests and apologize for previous editions' slighting of the struggles of Latinos and gays. Zinn's work is an vital corrective to triumphalist accounts, but his uncompromising radicalism shades, at times, into cynicism. Zinn views the Bill of Rights, universal suffrage, affirmative action and collective bargaining not as fundamental (albeit imperfect) extensions of freedom, but as tactical concessions by monied elites to defuse and contain more revolutionary impulses; voting, in fact, is but the most insidious of the "controls." It's too bad that Zinn dismisses two centuries of talk about "patriotism, democracy, national interest" as mere "slogans" and "pretense," because the history he recounts is in large part the effort of downtrodden people to claim these ideals for their own.


also
"Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong"
by James W. Loewen
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 02:27 PM
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17. BC.com is a little out there sometimes
e.g.,
In column after column this writer has attempted to alert readers to who and what Barack Obama really is and what this means for this nation and the world.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/300/300_kir_under_barack_obama.html

I can't dispute the premise that thxhaz'ing is a ghoulish festival replete with animal sacrifice, but it's hard to top Easter in terms of ironic feasts. And don't Canadians have their own day with coureurs de bois instead of pilgrims? All holy days are atavistic commemorations of the sun or moon's proximity, it's not like anything magical happens every 365 days that prevents soup kitchens or goodwill towards men the other 364, so the only distinct complaint about American Thanksgiving is that it's distinctly American, which is to say founded on smallpox and steel, but by that logic Labor Day is the bourgeois celebration of white people getting a day off to watch football on the backs of dead slaves. I mean, do Native Americans celebrate Independence Day, or is that more of a TBA date?
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 02:30 PM
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18. I always noticed that it was a day for women to work their
asses off.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 01:18 PM
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53. Amen to that!
While the guys watch football on TV, I'm going nuts in the kitchen peeling, boiling, mashing, stirring, basting, etc. They think they've pitched in if they manage to carry their empty plates to the sink afterward.

MY moment of Thanks-giving is after everything's been tidied up and the refrigerator is filled with leftovers so I don't have to cook for the next day or two. (And then someone goes and fixes himself a plate and spills gravy all over the freshly cleaned stove.

Yes, it's my own fault for not speaking up and insisting on help. Next year I'm putting my foot down.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 06:11 PM
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21. Happy to be the 10th rec.
"Thanksgiving is not just a twisted fable, and the mythology it nurtures is itself inherently evil."

Wonderfully put.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 08:43 PM
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23. Boooo
"The Thanksgiving holiday fable is at once a window on the way that many, if not most, white Americans view the world and their place in it, and a pollutant that leaches barbarism into the modern era."

Really? And who asked all these "white" Americans? The meaning of Thanksgiving has changed over the years and is dramatically different from one individual to the next. As far as I can tell, it has almost always been a holiday that celebrates fertility and family. Heck, even when I was a kid and there were the Thanksgiving plays with the pilgrims and the Indians, I still thought of the holiday mainly as a time to gather with family and give thanks for what we have, not a holiday for giving thanks that the pilgrims landed.

And enough with all this "intrinsically evil" bullshit. That kind of language smacks of a lack of sophistication or understanding of history. What the pilgrims did is no different than what the Indians were doing to each other before they arrived. They just had the power greater means to carry it out. The pilgrims actions were no different than many other cultures and peoples in the long course of history. Only recently has humanity begun to reject "Might is right". But since the beginning of humanity until a couple decades ago, might is right was the rule, and there was little surprise at what the pilgrims did. Thanksgiving is not a celebration of slavery and genocide. If you want a National Day of Mourning, every ethnicity and culture in the world needs one, no one is innocent.

Personally, I give thanks that we now live in a world where genocide and slavery are no longer accepted, (well, mostly). Course, it was those same evil white pilgrim's religion that helped bring about the end of slavery in the US. You know, a belief system based on humanity and not hard economics. If you want to judge people in history by today's standards of morality, you will find that everyone in history was "intrinsically evil" in some way or other. If you think the pilgrims were evil, than so were the Indians. Why do you think tribes tried allying with pilgrims at first? Why, to quash other tribes of course! What a valiant and noble people! Whoops, did I just judge a whole culture by the actions of some over 400 years ago? That's what this article attempts to do. And it succeeds in being bigoted.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 09:24 PM
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25. Don't forget to read this
Could you please document how it was that the Native Americans did to each other what the Pilgrims did to them- as you assert? Could you cite some sources on this? The anthropological data and numerous historical documents completely refute your assertion. If you are knowledgeable in history I expect you have this information available. Thanks in advance.



THE SUPPRESSED SPEECH OF

WAMSUTTA (FRANK B.) JAMES, WAMPANOAG

To have been delivered at Plymouth, Massachusetts, 1970

ABOUT THE DOCUMENT:
Three hundred fifty years after the Pilgrims began their invasion of the land of the Wampanoag, their "American" descendants planned an anniversary celebration. Still clinging to the white schoolbook myth of friendly relations between their forefathers and the Wampanoag, the anniversary planners thought it would be nice to have an Indian make an appreciative and complimentary speech at their state dinner. Frank James was asked to speak at the celebration. He accepted. The planners, however , asked to see his speech in advance of the occasion, and it turned out that Frank James' views — based on history rather than mythology — were not what the Pilgrims' descendants wanted to hear. Frank James refused to deliver a speech written by a public relations person. Frank James did not speak at the anniversary celebration. If he had spoken, this is what he would have said:

I speak to you as a man -- a Wampanoag Man. I am a proud man, proud of my ancestry, my accomplishments won by a strict parental direction ("You must succeed - your face is a different color in this small Cape Cod community!"). I am a product of poverty and discrimination from these two social and economic diseases. I, and my brothers and sisters, have painfully overcome, and to some extent we have earned the respect of our community. We are Indians first - but we are termed "good citizens." Sometimes we are arrogant but only because society has pressured us to be so.

It is with mixed emotion that I stand here to share my thoughts. This is a time of celebration for you - celebrating an anniversary of a beginning for the white man in America. A time of looking back, of reflection. It is with a heavy heart that I look back upon what happened to my People.

Even before the Pilgrims landed it was common practice for explorers to capture Indians, take them to Europe and sell them as slaves for 220 shillings apiece. The Pilgrims had hardly explored the shores of Cape Cod for four days before they had robbed the graves of my ancestors and stolen their corn and beans. Mourt's Relation describes a searching party of sixteen men. Mourt goes on to say that this party took as much of the Indians' winter provisions as they were able to carry.

Massasoit, the great Sachem of the Wampanoag, knew these facts, yet he and his People welcomed and befriended the settlers of the Plymouth Plantation. Perhaps he did this because his Tribe had been depleted by an epidemic. Or his knowledge of the harsh oncoming winter was the reason for his peaceful acceptance of these acts. This action by Massasoit was perhaps our biggest mistake. We, the Wampanoag, welcomed you, the white man, with open arms, little knowing that it was the beginning of the end; that before 50 years were to pass, the Wampanoag would no longer be a free people.

What happened in those short 50 years? What has happened in the last 300 years? History gives us facts and there were atrocities; there were broken promises - and most of these centered around land ownership. Among ourselves we understood that there were boundaries, but never before had we had to deal with fences and stone walls. But the white man had a need to prove his worth by the amount of land that he owned. Only ten years later, when the Puritans came, they treated the Wampanoag with even less kindness in converting the souls of the so-called "savages." Although the Puritans were harsh to members of their own society, the Indian was pressed between stone slabs and hanged as quickly as any other "witch."

<snip>

Wamsutta

September 10, 1970

http://www.uaine.org/
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 10:27 PM
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26. Are you kidding me?
I'm not going to look up stuff for you, it's quite easy for you to do yourself. And you think you would have done it already. But what it really comes down to is this. Hypocrisy. The myth that is Thanksgiving to you is simply supplanted by your own fantasy world where things were great before the pilgrims landed. Indians slaughtered each other, massacred each other, wiped out whole other tribes, etc. etc. you name it. Now, they did not have the organization or technology to do so on a massive scale like the Europeans is the only difference. But the same motives that drove Europeans and every other human on the planet to war drove Indians too, and if you doubt that, you have no understanding of the world around you.

That's why saying Thanksgiving is "intrinsically evil" is such a loaded phrase. And let me take a paragraph from the passage you quote.

"Among ourselves we understood that there were boundaries, but never before had we had to deal with fences and stone walls. But the white man had a need to prove his worth by the amount of land that he owned. Only ten years later, when the Puritans came, they treated the Wampanoag with even less kindness in converting the souls of the so-called "savages." Although the Puritans were harsh to members of their own society, the Indian was pressed between stone slabs and hanged as quickly as any other "witch."

This is a perfect example of cultural bias. It says that a white man had to prove his worth by the amount of land that he owned, as a way of explaining the use of fences and stone walls by white men. Of course, that is a completely idiotic statement. The history of the world clearly shows how and why such developments as fences and stone walls evolved into use by humans (and by the way, some Indian tribes used them as well). Crowded continents like Europe were different from the relatively sparsely populated regions of North America. Just that obvious fact alone should be considered. But, pronouncements of how the "white man" are morally inferior to Indians can be explained in the context of the times and the ignorance of history of those who were proclaiming it.

And I have as of yet to see the "numerous historical documents" that show an existence in North America that was any less cruel than elsewhere in the world. Your idea of Native Americans seems to stem from the "Noble Savage", ironically a European myth.

Here's a link to the Crow Creek Massacre. It is obviously harder to find lots of data on inter-indian wars, as many tribes did not have any written accounts or records. But they obviously occurred, just as often and brutally as in the rest of the world.

http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0200/frameset_reset.html?http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0200/stories/0201_0122.html

Notice that several of the Indian encampments were surrounded by ditches for defense. The horror! Isn't that white man stuff? As you can see, the simplicity of your argument is its downfall. It's not black and white. It's not good and evil. It's history. Remember what drove the pilgrims to North America in the first place. Overpopulation and religious intolerance. Not the evil zeal that resides in every white man's heart...

And then there is the large Indian civilizations of the Incas, Aztecs, and Mayans, all of which fought wars, enslaved enemies, destroyed villages, etc. etc. So the civilizations that did form in North America were not unique or morally superior from any other civilization in history. You cannot apply moral relativism to whole cultures and peoples, much less their decedents.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 10:40 PM
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29. Word
n/t
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Dis Pater Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 10:51 PM
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31. Yea, i don't get how people overlook human nature all the time
Only white people have negative attributes and history it seems.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 12:58 AM
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35. You forgot to add your sarcasm icon
(Or is it snarky icon?)

But yeah, Native Americans just disappeared from New England, and the English settlers had nothing to do with it.









(Oops...dang it, I forgot my sarcasm icon, too.)
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 01:03 AM
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36. Poxviridae orthopoxvirus had a lot to do with it too. So did the Narraganset.
The Plymouth and Mass. Bay settlers joined a war that was already raging throughout coastal New England, tipping the balance in favor of the Narragansets and Mohegans against the Pequots. The winning nations were for the most part wiped out by smallpox. While I'm not a fan of war, joining one side or another of a war that's already being fought when you get there isn't remotely the same as starting a war. And blaming people without a germ theory of medicine for spreading bacteria they didn't know they were carrying is a little strange, too.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 01:25 AM
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38. True, that
Although it wasn't smallpox that put Chief Metacomet's head on a pike, nor did it cause the burning deaths of several hundred natives in Connecticut as stated in the OP.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 12:21 AM
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33. Uh hello?
Hopefully others will read the febrile link you provided.

Perhaps you should re-read what is scarcely any information at all in your reference. What is there is not only self-admittedly speculation but is also self-admittedly lacking in any affirmations of this very weak postulation.

What you are also engaged in is the defense of the indefensible based on a extremely narrow examination of what was written in the OP. Your use of 'noble savage' is the prime example of your need to steer the attentions of what are directly observable truths.

Just a few years earlier down in Hispaniola:

And of all the infinite universe of humanity, these people are the most guileless, the most devoid of wickedness and duplicity, the most obedient and faithful to their native masters and to the Spanish Christians whom they serve. They are by nature the most humble, patient, and peaceable, holding no grudges, free from embroilments, neither excitable nor quarrelsome. These people are the most devoid of rancors, hatreds, or desire for vengeance of any people in the world. And because they are so weak and complaisant, they are less able to endure heavy labor and soon die of no matter what malady. The sons of nobles among us, brought up in the enjoyments of life's refinements, are no more delicate than are these Indians, even those among them who are of the lowest rank of laborers. They are also poor people, for they not only possess little but have no desire to possess worldly goods. For this reason they are not arrogant, embittered, or greedy. Their repasts are such that the food of the holy fathers in the desert can scarcely be more parsimonious, scanty, and poor. As to their dress, they are generally naked, with only their pudenda covered somewhat. And when they cover their shoulders it is with a square cloth no more than two varas in size. They have no beds, but sleep on a kind of matting or else in a kind of suspended net called bamacas. They are very clean in their persons, with alert, intelligent minds, docile and open to doctrine, very apt to receive our holy Catholic faith, to be endowed with virtuous customs, and to behave in a godly fashion. And once they begin to hear the tidings of the Faith, they are so insistent on knowing more and on taking the sacraments of the Church and on observing the divine cult that, truly, the missionaries who are here need to be endowed by God with great patience in order to cope with such eagerness. Some of the secular Spaniards who have been here for many years say that the goodness of the Indians is undeniable and that if this gifted people could be brought to know the one true God they would be the most fortunate people in the world.

http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bdorsey1/41docs/02-las.html


Do you in fact deny this history? Who do you identify with?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 12:53 AM
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34. Oh come on. That's a Eurocentric fantasy
Seriously? A dead white guy writes something and you believe it?

He viewed the world through his own glasses; that doesn't mean we have to.

We know perfectly well from archaeological, anthropological, and in some cases documentary evidence that there was war, torture, enslavement, genocide, injustice, and empire among the First Nations exactly like there has been among every single agricultural and post-agricultural society in human history. But then again you seem to conflate pilgrims and puritans in the OP.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 01:31 AM
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39. Not quite
You said "Crowded continents like Europe were different from the relatively sparsely populated regions of North America'

Modern scholarship now estimates the population of North America to have been on a par with that of Europe at the same time. Have a look at Charles Mann's "1491" for a solid overview of the research.

The population of Tenochtitlan rivalled that of Europe's larges cities, as did other cities in North America.

North America was largely depopulated by European disease processes even before full-scale European invasion got underway. The EuroDiseases spread like wildfire and left the park-like land remarked upon in the BC article.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 08:53 AM
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46. 1491 had another good point
If the Europeans had seen how pre-Columbian societies rivaled those of China and India they might have behaved towards the Americas more like they did towards China and India. In the event, they saw the battered and barely-clinging-on remnants of a society that had been essentially destroyed by a plague, and that influenced their opinions of the Native Americans, sort of like if somebody had discovered the Europeans in 1350.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:19 AM
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56. Magnificent book!
"1491" was such a wealth of information I find myself going back to it periodically to refresh my understanding. The segment on Amazonian civilization was nothing short of mind-blowing. The discussion of teosinte cultivation and the rise of maize-based agriculture was detailed in a way I'd not seen before and bore witness to the genius of the peoples who developed it without any of the "advantages" of EurAsian agricultural evolution.

I think Mann was right in the analysis you cite. Even after laying waste the Mexica culture, the Spanish barely survived their encounter. Had they not had disease at their disposal, the outcome would likely have been much different for not only the Spanish, but the Portuguese, the English and the French, although with regard to the French, their "footprint" was somewhat lighter based upon their desire to exploit the region more for trade purposes than for migration and settlement. Even in that context, however, the French were making first contact with already decimated peoples, which casts those peoples' willingness/need to trade in an uncertain light.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 09:36 AM
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49. This is somewhat true...
The largest estimates I have seen for North America pre-Columbus population have been 16 million, with most of the rest of the 100 million natives concentrated in MesoAmerica and South America. While the North American populations were larger than what Europeans encountered after disease, I still don't think they were quite on par with European population at the time. For example, I have seen estimates that Britain had 5 million people at the time, and Spain 8 million. That's 13 million between two relatively small countries. And if you look at the size of Europe, it is less than half the size of North America. The population density in much of the Old World was definitely greater than that of North America. As for MesoAmerica, that is a different story entirely. It probably had a much greater population density than most areas of the world.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:12 AM
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55. Geographically
Edited on Sat Nov-29-08 10:23 AM by GrpCaptMandrake
The area we refer to as "Mexico" is considered part of "North America." Population references should include that area, especially insofar as archaeological evidence of trade networks and settlement migrations show intracontinental contact, for instance, from the Gulf Coast to the Great Lakes. As such, extracting the Mexica/Texcalteca/Oaxacan/Rarimuri, etc. populations from "North American" population estimates based upon an arbitrary line drawn at the Rio Grande is more than a little disingenous.

Tenochtitlan had a population that dwarfed most European cities and did so without the squalor inherent in the Europeans generally filthy lifestyles (the Spaniards who slaughtered the Mexica culture were astonished at the Mexica's odd, and possibly demonically-inspired habit of bathing, as well as the fact that they didn't simply throw their excrement into the streets as in European cities). The human beings living there didn't stand a chance against the diseases that even the most casual contact with a European could inflict so that in almost every instance of sustained contact, the Europeans debilitated the First Peoples as if their inherent diseases were weapons. As noted, some European cultures caught on to the process and did, in fact, use pathogens as disease. Jared Diamond notes a good deal of this in his Pulitzer-winning "Guns, Germs and Steel."

Having admittedly digressed a bit, it is still fair to say that the Europeans used their overall willingness to engage in genocide to their advantage, explaining their conduct ex post facto in the twisted manifestations of their religion and justifying it on a post hoc ergo propter hoc basis.

The saddest part of the rape of the Western Hemisphere lies in the eternal question of what humanity lost overall: wisdom lost in burned books, art lost in blasted temples, palaces and pyramids, languages lost in religion-driven ethnic cleansing. What few fragments do remain stand witness to the crime. The fact that organizations like National Geographic still sponsor burrowing expeditions into the bases of pyramids in search of skeletons displays the arrogance of the "white" mindset where issues relating to First Peoples' antiquities are concerned. Even with so-called "modern research methods," the damage is still profound and, in many instances, callously performed.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 11:57 AM
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52. thank you
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 01:32 AM
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40. it's too bad it happened- but if it hadn't most of us wouldn't even be alive today.
:shrug:
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 01:51 AM
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41. It's still happening
This is not merely a historical abstraction it is applicable to every moment of today even if you do not directly experience it.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:00 AM
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42. ...
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 03:47 AM
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45. It's nice to see the paranoia machine is still at work
I really don't give a shit how thanksgiving came to be, as it was long, long before my time. To me it has always simply been a day to get together with relatives, have a decent meal, and give thanks for what I have. I really fail to see how our modern celebration of the holiday is oppressive, or inherently evil or racist. Frankly, that seems like a load of shit to me.

If it's unenlightened bigotry to eat turkey on every fourth thursday of November, well, call me an unelightened bigot. What a load of shit.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 11:49 AM
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51. There are two ways of looking at it
I, too, celebrate every year with the family, and feast on turkey, pumpkin pie, etc., etc.

But, as the OP points out, the holiday comes loaded with a lot of myths and propaganda. There is a lot of unpleasant history that I didn't know about until I read this article.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 09:18 AM
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47. Funny, in my family those of Native American ancestry don't have a problem with Thanksgiving
They enjoy getting together with family and friends, sitting down to a fine meal just as much as anybody does:shrug:
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 09:40 AM
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50. No people or culture is devoid of violence in their history
Hopefully we can have a future at some point where violence is a thing of the past.

We are a country full of people from many places.

Should the Blackfoot in me despise the European part in me? Should the Scot in me hate the English in me? Should I still dwell upon the history of my Italian Neighbors in regards to my English/Scot history? Should my Italian neighbors hate the descendants of the Visigoths?

Should we refuse to celebrate anything historical at all? Ever?

I think of Thanksgiving as a brief moment in time, like other brief moments in time, where human beings were decent to each other and it changed history. As with all things there is a balance and we have many bad things that happen that change history as well.

Thanksgiving is a day where people get together with their families and have a large meal, enjoy each other and catch up on everybody's busy lives. They give thanks for what they have and who they are and for each other.

Demonizing that is just not something I am going to do.

That doesn't in any way mean we forget the history of the Native American peoples or their suffering.
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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 02:39 PM
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54. Frankly, I ignore the Foundation, and Focus on the Meaning *I* Give to It.
I have known the history of Thanksgiving for years. I have known that some Native American communities consider it a day of mourning. I can't remember when I first heard about the smallpox blankets, and I accept that the history of Thanksgiving is a clear example of "Manifest Destiny", which is a nice way of saying racist white supremacy.

And knowing ALL of that, I still love the excuse to gather with my family, and remember the things that *I* am thankful for.

Would I EVER give up this opportunity to gather with my family because the roots of the holiday are ones of vicious slaughter and genocide.

NO.

In the same way that as a Buddhist, I don't reject my family's Christmas celebration, I welcome every opportunity for my family to gather.

Every moment in history has more than one viewpoint.

To my knowledge, almost every culture has a Harvest Festival. Just as most cultures have a Solstice Festival, and a Spring Festival.

I'm happy to call the holiday whatever feels best to people. But I'm not giving it up.
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