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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 11:50 PM
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"Old Crusoe, will there be vaginas and penises in your post?"
Edited on Sat Nov-29-08 12:03 AM by Old Crusoe
“No. But there will be vivid hyacinths, and a way forward.”

This post attempts to bank off a sturdier, clearer, better-organized one by JeffR:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4509397 >,

which I cite here to beckon anyone registered with DU to visit and read. Come to JeffR’s post as a welcome guest and bring entact heart and mind.

To be sure, there are websites in which vaginas and penises play prominent roles but this post on this website is not among them. Titillation may reign at “Miss Trixie’s Fun Page,” but that is not my offer for readers herewith. Sorry to disappoint.

A man was trampled to death this morning by Black Friday shoppers who rammed through the doorway of a Long Island Wal-Mart, stampeding over him to get to merchandise inside the store. This bears mention because most of us know better than to hurt someone to advance our own selfishness and most of us know that the pursuit of the material is an ethically insufficient undertaking, and made worse by the timing of this morning’s consumer stampede: “Out of my way, asshole – I’m shopping to celebrate the birth of Jesus!” Stomp. Stomp. Stomp.

As referenced in the Christmas song, the three guys from the Orient showed up with expensive gifts chosen perhaps in correspondence with the reverence they felt for the baby in the manger. But one kid in attendance brought only his drum, and offered on that clear desert night just that lone, sweet music. Same manger. Same baby. Same reverence. A real gift is a real gift is a real gift.

No Christian myself, I side with Jackson Browne, “a heathen and a pagan / On the side of the rebel Jesus,” because I hold in deep respect the rebel Jew of the first century who tongue-lashes the money-changers and tips over their tables. Unchurched most of my life, I’ll still take the temple of prayer over the den of thieves. Henry Paulson, phone home.

And give me also Jesus the community organizer, who after a storm devastated the Gulf Coast would likely have waded without hesitation into the dank, black floodwater to offer comfort and rescue, unlike the model of the current President, who essentially sat on his worthless ass and did nothing.

Not all of our presidents have been as clueless or as callous or as cruel. In his Inaugural Address in 1961, John F. Kennedy reminded the nation, “If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.” That was almost half a century ago. But his words are as resonant as if he had just spoken them this morning or last night.

In the dark and deceitful days of the presidency of Ronald Reagan, there came this:

“The most elementary of our adversarial relationships are in terms of the power of the state, which has never been so great in the history of mankind. That power can destroy us all. It’s a terrible power to entrust to people who are not spiritually great, that’s all there is to it. You see it in the callousness, self-aggrandizement, insensitivity to the plight of the poor. In the general level of ethical conduct, the state has become an abomination”

--Poet Stanley Kunitz, interview with the Washington POST, 1987


Barack Obama offers us his Inaugural Address in a few weeks. It will be another cold January day, cold enough to kill coatless presidents like William Henry Harrison, cold enough to see a president’s breath as the speech is delivered, and far too cold for someone who is homeless to be homeless in DC or Detroit or anywhere else.

President-Elect Obama’s transition team is forging priorities for the new administration. Again, banking off JeffR’s post referenced above, I reiterate the request to (and need for) contact with the women and men forging priorities – from as many of us as possible -- a request to send an email to the new president’s transition team to respectfully but forcefully ask that poverty be considered an imperative for Barack Obama and his Cabinet.

Your email does not have to be long. Just make it concise in form and sincere in tone. For the last 8 years, there was likely no one in the Bush administration paying a lick of attention to any progressives’ ideas or suggestions.

That is about to change.

The contact site for Obama’s transition team is:

http://www.change.gov/page/s/contact

People living in poverty are not represented in Washington by lobbyists. Others must lend their voices also to encourage government officials to carry issues like housing and health care and hunger to the forefront and to keep these concerns vibrant and immediate in the offices of our government.

Please consider sending an email letter to the transition team. Please consider also copying your local representatives, your U.S. Representative, and your two U.S. Senators on your emails. We want all who have ears to hear to listen.

Lyndon Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964. At that time the rate of poverty in the U.S. was c. 19%. Michael Harrington, author of THE OTHER AMERICA, set it at 22%. Depending on how studies counted those in poverty, the figure appears to average about 20% of Americans. A war on poverty was justifiably an essential focus of a Great Society.

Much of the logistics for this commitment involved the newly-created Office of Economic Opportunity. Among its early directors were Sargent Shriver and – I am not making this up -- Donald Rumsfeld.

By the time Johnson left office the rate of poverty was 11%, roughly half of what it was when he assumed office. A president set the goal of eliminating poverty. He did not achieve that goal. But he cut the rate in half.

Nixon’s election in 1968 heralded a gradual, then more rapid, reversal of gains against poverty. Nixon’s 5 years, Ford’s 2, Reagan’s 8, and Poppy’s 4 – a total of 19 years of “callousness to the plight of poor,” in Kunitz’s phrase, interrupted only by 4 years of Jimmy Carter, who not surprisingly went on to become a Nobel Peace Lauriat for his post-White House work in behalf of those in need.

An email letter to our next president asking that issues like housing and hunger and homelessness be as present as possible in the people’s service would serve many. It would be an act of conscience.

The contact site again is: http://www.change.gov/page/s/contact


Oh and yes, I promised you hyacinths. Here:

“If you have two loaves of bread, give one to the poor, sell the other, and buy hyacinths to feed your soul.” (Hindu proverb)

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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 11:53 PM
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1. k & r
I'm going to have fun watching the page views rack up.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:13 AM
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2. k & r
Perhaps one day they'll set up a currency exchange based on wisdom instead of gold.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:13 AM
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3. kick.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:01 AM
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4. Excellent post, OC.
K & R.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:09 AM
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5. Hey there, Blue_In_AK.
Thanks, but the inspiration comes from JeffR's excellent OP from a few days earlier.

Plus, I'm letting Stanley Kunitz and Jackson Browne do some of the heavy lifting.

I had spaced the Don Rumsfeld appointment in the Nixon years to the Office of Economic Opportunity. Maybe that was when he first got the idea of becoming a megalomaniac.


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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 03:03 AM
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7. You and JeffR are two of my favorite DUers.
:yourock: :)
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:17 AM
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6. entertaining, enlightening and informative, and spiritual. Thanks!
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 07:14 AM
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8. excellent.
Thank you.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 07:41 AM
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9. Thanks, great post. We do live in strange times. nt
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 09:27 AM
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10. OC, you're OK
and more!

My church did just such an exercise a couple of weeks ago. One of my good friends shouldered the load I'd let drop and finished writing the letter. I expect we'll all be signing it this week. I think it's a great idea. And I thank you for the link. Wonder if there's a snail mail address there? I like the idea of the actual signatures getting sent... I'll have to look.

I'm also optimistic about the opportunities for the voices of real people being heard going forward. I think we've got a smart guy coming in, and more importantly, one with his heart in the right place. He'll be putting that admirable mind to the right use, I believe.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 09:32 AM
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11. Hi, JerseygirlCT. If you know of the snail mail address,
maybe post it on DU.

I will throw in and send a physical letter too.

Agree with you that there is something about an actual physical letter with signatures.

I llike Obama in and of himself but I like him more when the media flashes an image of Dubya in a sort of pathetic, lame-duck mention. The contrast in the models of citizenship is astonishing.


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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:32 PM
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13. it is, at that! nt
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:39 PM
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15. So far, I'm not seeing that mail address
though they do let you know they can only accept #10 envelopes...

I'll have to keep searching. When I can settle in, I can get pretty persistent - maybe I'll come up with it, lol.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 03:36 PM
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37. I"ll be watching to see if you can find that snail addy!
I've been successful in getting folks to be willing to send an email, but there are still some who don't "do" email... this would be handy to have!

Thanks for searching!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 06:59 PM
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45. I can't find it either.
Well. I'll join you in looking but meanwhile, we've got email contact site info, and hat will take us a long way.

Thanks for the extra steps, JerseygirlCT.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:16 PM
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12. A very kind and very practical post.
K & R

Have to admit the title was titillating though! Was wondering why **you** would be writing about that. :P
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 02:05 PM
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17. I would wonder, too, rosesaylavee.
God knows I'm as pure as the driven snow. :evilgrin:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:33 PM
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14. Well, all I can say is ...
:applause: :applause: :applause:


And :kick: and REC'D!!!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 08:28 AM
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25. - - - -
:hi: :dem:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:40 PM
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16. Onenewsnow.com is offended by your penis reference
So is Zombie Reagan






Morning Kick
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 07:30 PM
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21. Oh what's the world coming to if we cannot have at least ONE penis reference.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 09:17 PM
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22. : )
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 09:26 PM
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23. I thought that was the ending to a Catholic religious service...
Edited on Sat Nov-29-08 09:30 PM by nothingtoofear
I distinctly remember my childhood minister ending Mass with: "Go forth in love and have a penis."

...Or was that happiness? A Freudian slip? I forget... It's been too long.

:kick:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 02:18 PM
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18. Excellent post, good sir.
And may I add, that's a very grabby title...

K & R.

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 05:56 PM
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19. What exactly do you mean by "grabby". Have to keep an eye on you. nm
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 08:29 AM
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26. - - - -
You lit the fire this post sings around. Thank you.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 05:58 PM
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20. rec. Great post. nm
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:17 PM
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24. Loved your post, but I almost didn't read it because of fear ofpenises & vaginas
looming under the headline, but then I've read your essays before and had to check it out. Beautiful and trenchant. K&R
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 09:58 AM
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27. I'm too late to recommend this
but I'm not too late to give it a big

:applause: and a :kick:

Thank you for stating so well what Christmas is really about.
You are very spiritual and it comes through in your writing.

Poverty in our country needs to be addressed.
And yes, we are the ones who can push it to the front of the line.

Thanks, again.

:pals:
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DetlefK Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:32 PM
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28. Your reference to the 3 wise men's presents is wrong.
The were not meant to be expensive, but symbols for his destiny:
Gold as symbol of royalty - Jesus was supposed to become a leader with power on earth
Frankincense as symbol of worshipping - Jesus was supposed to become a religious figure
Myrrh as symbol of medicine - Jesus was supposed to heal people (in both senses)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:22 PM
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30. You are quite right.
I was trying -- apparently without much success -- to draw a contrast between "kings" with stealable gifts and the simple but just-as-true song of the kid with the drum from the Christmas song.


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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:00 PM
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29. Too late to rec
but here's a great big KICK!!! Great post!
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:50 PM
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31. I too, tried to rec your post, but was too late
Thank you for your reminder -- just what this season is all about. :hug:

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:52 PM
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32. ttt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:53 PM
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33. A super post
:yourock:
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trickyguy Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 03:03 PM
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34. K&R man. Working on it. New Year's resolution to help the poor and the hungry.
And my name ain't Jesus. Just a decent gay white boy who needs to do more

for those who are really in need.

Helped get Obama in the White House and now time to do some other work.

It's gonna be tough.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 03:05 PM
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36. Trickyguy, thank you.
Thanks for throwing in on this project and for the strong, clear words.

As you say, it'll be tough going. But it's worth the trek.

A belated welcome to DU and one more 'thanks.'
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 03:39 PM
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38. Thank you, decent gay white boy!!
:hi:

We're REALLY in need, and appreciate the folks who are willing to dig in and help!

:yourock:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 03:04 PM
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35. ...
:applause:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 03:40 PM
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39. I hope you put this in your journal!
Great stuff!

Even for a stuffy old lady...

~~gigglesnort~~
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 05:11 PM
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40. kicking with another request to read the post by JeffR, and send those emails!
:hi:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 05:13 PM
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41. I heart Old Crusoe
Fabulous post, as usual OC. :toast:

Julie
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 06:30 PM
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43. Hey there good person. I'm standing on the shoulders of some
mighty decent DUers with this one.

If I can see a little farther, it's because their shoulders are already very high.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 05:37 PM
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42. OC, you have been the source of some wonderful knowledge to me.
What an enjoyable and inspiring this post has been!

My husband coordinates all of programs for the city of New Haven. So we are in constant contact with the progress/regress on this issue, practically on a daily basis. His work is not done in perfect harmony with lots of forces. But you have given a fresh voice to this issue and sprung it anew into our holiday DU season. Bless you.

Your hyacinths remind me of my recent visit to the Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao, Spain. There, you find Cy Twombly's wonderful "Ah, the peonies"...

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 06:34 PM
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44. Ok, it's clear mysterious vibes are at work in the world, CTYankee...
I was only this afternoon looking at some of Twombly's stuff on the web.

It's a gray, chilly, kind of gloomy weather front hereabouts and Twombly's surfaces generally and his flowers especially have a way of bringing springtime right into your bones.

Thank your husband for us and if the two of you know some folks around town there who might be inclinced to send a quick note on this to Obama's team, please pass along the contact info --

http://www.change.gov/page/s/contact

-- and bless you right back.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 07:42 PM
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47. Thank you for the website and I will! Of course!
The Twombly works were just a part of what we saw in Spain. I cannot, in this brief space, tell you what Spain meant to me. And Velasquez's "Las Meninas" in the Prado (which incidentally I had seen a few months earlier in Boston), La Reina Sofia ("Guernica", an epiphany!), Gaudi and Picasso in Barcelona.

I am overwhemed. Someone once said that art always saves you. I believe this at the bottom of my heart.

Thank you for your awareness and your heart. Keep in touch, OK?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 10:35 PM
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48. I want to hail your travels to Spain. You had told me this trip was on the
docket, but how terrific that the paintings you saw packed such a wallop.

When art in any form does that, it has done its work in the world.

Picasso and the others -- many long dead now -- still have "the privilege of lifting hearts," in Faulkner's phrase. It sounds as if they lifted yours, and then did the watoosie and the mashed potato along with the Adagio from Swan Lake with yours --

-- which means to me you know how to run a vacation.

Bravo.

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 08:45 AM
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49. I keep it going. Am now reading "Homage to Catalonia" by Orwell.
You have no idea how much the Spanish Civil War continues to haunt the Spanish, especially those in the arts with whom I had much contact this trip.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 07:27 PM
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46. kick,nt
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 02:23 PM
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50. “If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.”
Wonderful quote of JFK!!!
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