"They kept shopping?" And you want to live in the US because????

[BeHereNow]

The story about the mob killing of a fellow human has convinced me.
It is time to LEAVE the asylum called the United States of America.
"They kept shopping???"
"They kept shopping???"
"They kept shopping???"

A man was dead from the mob trampling him and "They kept shopping???"
This story has disturbed me beyond words.
I do not want to live among such people.

I'm done.
http://www.escapeartist.com

BHN

[RagAss]

1. Little hungry fucking animals ! Merry Christmas, Assholes !

[BeHereNow]

2. Don't insult the animals!

The majority of my friend are covered in fur.
They would never do this to one another.
Americans are drenched in soul sickness.

BHN

[RagAss]

9. Agreed.

[xchrom]

26. get thee to a soccer riot. nt

[Dis Pater]

55. Have you never seen footage of monkey clans ambushing and attacking others?

Beating and murdering each other? How about Orcas torturing their prey, prolonging the death of sea otters and then just tossing them aside?

[mondo joe]

59. Fuck, man. You are not allowed to point out the things the "fur people" do that

reveal cruelty, greed or anti social behavior.

[xchrom]

3. sorry to tell you -- humanity doesn't improve elsewhere.

humanity is pretty much humanity -- period.

the atrocities differ per incident.

[BeHereNow]

4. Oh, I SO disagree with you.

Could you link me to the stories from other countries
where such madness has been reported?
I'll be sure to avoid them.
BHN

[xchrom]

7. you want one specific madness -- walmart and stampedes --

well other shit happens else where -- doesn't have to do with walmart or christtmas -- but bad ugly shit happens all over.

[DesertRat]

10. Soccer fans have been trampled to death in other countries

Sadly, I believe that the madness exists in our human nature, not nationality.

[Dis Pater]

30. Here's a few

Pop fans' stampede crushes 54 to death in Minsk metro
THE FIRST of many funerals will be held in Belarus today after at least 54 people, most of them teenage girls, were crushed to death in a metro underpass stampede on Sunday.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n14229833

Riot death toll raised to 13 as protests spread in Tibet
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/17/sports/AS-SPT-OLY-Beijing-Tibet.php

Italian football reels after Sicily riot death
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/04/football.italy


Gujarat riot death toll revealed
Godhra train
The cause of the Godhra train fire is still uncertain
India has for the first time published detailed figures on the number of people killed in the religious riots in the western state of Gujarat in 2002.

The government told parliament that 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus were killed, 223 more people reported missing and another 2,500 injured.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4536199.stm

Riot death toll in Maluku reaches 26, but situation improving
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDQ/is_2004_May_3/ai_n6278658

Stampede Death Toll Is Cut to 74 Filipinos
Seventy-four people were killed Saturday in a stampede at a stadium in Manila as they scrambled to get into a popular Philippine television game show offering cash and other prizes, the health secretary and witnesses said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/05/international/asia/05philippine.html

Death toll rises to 249 in Indian temple stampede
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Jodhpur_stampede

[BeHereNow]

42. Okay, so I find a cave...

I'd be perfectly content at this point to live
in a cave, with my cats, dog and horse.
The justification of this crime among my fellow
DUers has convinced my that it might be my best option.
I mean REALLY, how CAN you defend this in AMERICA?
BHN

[Dis Pater]

49. You have a serious melodramatic streak, I am in no way justifying what happened

You have a naive view that this incident was the worst thing that has happened to humanity and there was no possible way something like this was possible anywhere else in the world. You asked for proof, you asked for links. That's what I provided you.

Mankind is stinky, mean, cruel, and many other very bad things. We are also capable of extraordinary acts of pure kindness.

[Ishoutandscream2]

8. I'm not so sure. I think this is uniquely American

Our insatiable greed for "things" I believe is pretty unique. I can't see this type of thing happening in say, a country like Norway. Many of us have become so petty and treasure "things" over "people."

[BeHereNow]

19. Thank you for that post- you have summed it up perfectly.

Point being, a man was murdered over "STUFF."
Shit and trinkets from China-deal$ on the
marketed new "toys."

WHO are these people?
That they would place the value of a life under
obtaining MORE SHIT they DON'T NEED
with money they don't have????

BHN

[xchrom]

21. oh please -- this is not unique. nt

[BeHereNow]

28. Oh please, name me ONE incident in this world that compares

to a mad mob of consumers KILLING some one over STUFF they don't need?
You can't.
It is unprecedented.
It is an aberration.
It is sickening beyond words or comprehension.
BHN

[mondo joe]

32. Rape victim stoned to death in Somalia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/world/africa/05somalia.html

Want more?

[cherokeeprogressive]

37. Leon Klinghoffer being tossed off of the Achille Lauro in his wheelchair.

AFTER his attackers shot him in the forehead, and the chest, FOR BEING A JEW.

What happened in New York today pales in comparison to that.

[Dis Pater]

50. Unprecedented? Pick up a history book, would ya?

[xchrom]

51. how about killing each other OVER A GAME?!?! since we're using caps lock.

[Nicole]

60. Sorry to say

Three die & thirty injured in stampede for 20% off cooking oil in China.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7088718.stm




Man killed in London supermarket for jumping the line

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3391759/Man-admits-killing-shopper-in-queue-jumping-row.html

It wasn't even him that jumped the line.



Humans can, and do, suck all over the world. :(

[cali]

62. lol. yes, it's so much better if it's over soccer

your melodrama is laughable. Humans in mobs are reliably dangerous. Everywhere.

[prayin4rain]

47. Have you been to Norway?? n/t

[silverojo]

65. Apparently you missed the list of links above

Like the stampede that took place at a game show...as in CASH AND PRIZES. You know, somebody died for "things"?

I'm tired of people shitting on America, as if we're in the only place where evil things happen.

[Silent3]

72. In Norway they eat lutefisk

I'll take mindless consumerism over the horror of lutefisk any day.

[Mind_your_head]

17. the good ole' USA has been "pushed beyond the brink"......

we're 'over the top' ALWAYS now.

And we are not any good example, in any way. shape, form, or ideaology.

I don't know who/will fill the vacuum. But vacuum fillers have typically been malevolent.

[xchrom]

22. seriously then move -- if you really think humanity is better else where --

then get your ass there.

[Mind_your_head]

39. Any suggestions?

TIA.

[Mind_your_head]

44. Again, I ask.....where is a better place? Or should we just work to make THIS place

better?

Answer please.

[BeHereNow]

45. Trust me, I am working on it.

There ARE places where people are still decent, believe it or not.
BHN

[xchrom]

53. guh bye. nt

[cali]

63. I'm pretty happy living in Vermont

people here are decent.

[cherokeeprogressive]

5. New York shoppers do not represent the rest of the country.

Thank GOODNESS.

I don't want to leave the country because some New Yorkers showed themselves to be everything we here on the West Coast have always thought they were.

[JI7]

6. there was a story about a woman dying and nobody helping her

i don't remember where and exact details. but maybe someone will know what i'm talking about. this wasn't today but maybe a year ago.

[JI7]

12. here is a link to the woman who was killed and shoppers stepped over her

to keep on shopping

http://www.infowars.com/articles/society_destruction/kansas_shoppers_step_over_dying_woman.htm

[prayin4rain]

54. omg that made me sick to read.... it also makes me a bit curious though

... I would be screaming and crying and running out in the street if I went into a convenience store and saw a women bloodied and dying. To me it is a commentary on the conditions these people must live in everyday to not have an immediate knee-jerk response of horror.

[BeHereNow]

56. And thus, my point about who WE, as a nation of people, have become.

Thank you.
BHN

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. Plenty of instances I think of people standing by and hoping someone else lends a hand.

And I believe it happens in many violent areas. There was even a rapper with a hit song about how gangstas kill snitches.

Sad state of affairs, but I'd rather live in this country than 99 percent of the others.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

71. Kitty Genovese, in Kew Gardens, Queens in the 60s. She was being stabbed to death, screaming for

help and no one helped her, while people were watching out of their apartment windows. A black eye on the people of NYC.

I'm originally from Queens myself, and I always found the people I knew to be pretty cool and engaged. During a big black out in the 60s, my whole apartment building banded together to help each other out.

[BeHereNow]

13. What we do to one, we do to all.

I don't care WHAT part of the country it happened in.
And I have seen PLENTY of west coasters with the
same "get out of my way" mentality on the freeways
to know it could have just as easily happened here as there.
If you think otherwise, you are not really connected to the
truth of who we have become as a people.
I am deeply ashamed of all of us at this point.
BHN

[cherokeeprogressive]

27. I can understand your anxiety over this incident. I'm sad too.

It doesn't make me want to leave this country though. It was a relatively small group of people. Were you alive when the Who concert in Cincinatti had people killed because of "festival seating"? If so, did you want to leave the country then?

I could have been sitting in a cafe in Mumbai like the Rabbi, his wife, and his child (his child being the only one of the three to survive, due to the heroic action of others). I could have been getting on a train in Madrid when the bombs went off. I could have been on the Achille Lauro, or in Munich in 1972. Those incidents happened because of rabid hate. This incident today happened because of tough economic times, and a wish to be "first to get one".

I'll trade one of our incidents for ten of theirs any day.

Not ashamed here, just sad.

[depakid]

15. Could just as easily happened in Orange County California

just as the Thanksgiving parade shooting happens in one form or another all across the states (often with more that 2 people shot dead).

That said, every country has its quirks- though generally speaking, not quite as deadly or destructive or as mind numbingly stupid ones.

[THUNDER HANDS]

18. what the FUCK is your problem

blaming this on New Yorkers is like blaming the Oklahoma City attacks on middle-americans or blaming new orleans residents for living in a flood area.

Shit happens everywhere.

Or would you like to blame the LA Riots in the mid-90s on west coast people?

[cherokeeprogressive]

31. I blame the OK City attacks on McVeigh and Nichols.

I blame the LA Riots on the systematic beatdowns dealt to blacks by LAPD officers, and the lack of will amongst white jurors to convict them.

Shit happens everywhere. If it had happened in Texas, we'd be reading someone's snarky comment on Texans or bush. It didn't happen here, it happened in New York.

No problems here friend. No problems at all.

[mondo joe]

20. NY Shoppers? Are you channeling Sarah Palin?

No one represents the while of the country, or even a state.

[JNelson6563]

68. Oh my!

Yes, so wonderful that nothing horrible never happens out on the west coast. A veritable land of genteel souls striving for domestic felicity.

Oy.

[krispos42]

11. Well, at least it's not like a European soccer riot

Our deadly shopping stampedes only happen on ONE day a year! :-)

[Celeborn Skywalker]

16. Soccer riots happen with regularity in Europe.

People get stampeded and die. It's sad and disgusting, but it's hardly restricted to America.

[rockymountaindem]

23. I don't know what's worse

People who think that the US has never done a single thing wrong... ever

or

People who think that every tragedy or failure of humanity that happens here could *only* happen in the USA and that other places are somehow immune to similar or worse acts of inhumanity.

[mondo joe]

25. They really are equally bad, because in the end they're the same thing. NT

[Celeborn Skywalker]

29. To me,

both viewpoints represent a very naive mindset.

[depakid]

33. "failure of humanity that happens here could *only* happen in the USA "

Mass shootings and food recalls every couple of weeks are unique to the US among all of the other western industrialized nations....

As is lack of universal healthcare- and a huge growing and expensive prison industrial society.

[rockymountaindem]

36. I'm not denying those are problems

I certainly don't fall into the first category. All I'm saying is that given problems like that, focusing on what happened at that Wal-Mart, tragic as it was, seems to be a strange choice of a last straw. Events like that are commonplace worldwide.

[mondo joe]

24. Your post betrays a Sarah-Palinesqueview of types of people based on geography.

Pukeworthy.

[BeHereNow]

35. Oh really-

I'd love for you to point out one other country in which
consumers have killed a person to buy a new DVD player for a few dollars less.
Sorry, but sometimes the truth hurts.
Geographically, we are unrivaled in greed, avarice and the perpetuation of
genocide for personal gain.
Sarah Palin would certainly approve of such practices.
I do not.
And therein lies the difference between you, Sarah Palin, and myself.

BHN

[mondo joe]

38. Yes, really.

Another poster linked you to a number of deaths across the globe in equally idiotic scenarios - like concerts.

In Somalia a teenage girl was stoned to death because she was raped.

You want to keep going? Because you can find evil stupid shit in every nation.

But like Sarah Palin, you are justifying your own bigotry and personal hatred.

[BeHereNow]

40. I take my lessons on "being" from my critters.

They never take more than they need.
They care for each other and respect each other's sacredness.
You are correct, globally humans are the ONLY species
that SHIT in their nests, and on one another.
Thank you for the insight and consideration that perhaps
I don't like the human species very much at the moment,
no matter where they dwell.

BHN

[mondo joe]

41. Then you have a naive notion of "critters".

Both domesticated, and in nature.

[BeHereNow]

43. You are entitled to your opinion, knowing nothing about me or my life with fur people.

Ever so typical of DU these days.

BHN

[mondo joe]

46. I know that non-human animals are prone to the same sort of nasty behavior,

circumstances considered, that humans are.

Chimps are driven out of their groups for being abusive and anti social.

Male lions kill cubs belonging to other male lions so the mothers will go into heat.

Dogs attack and kill other dogs.

"Fur people" is right to the degree that they are no better than people.

[BeHereNow]

48. I'm so thankful that I don't live in your heart/world.

Thank you for giving me the gift of appreciating what the fur people
have taught me.
I regard you with no blame or judgement, for obviously we have had very different experiences.
You have made me more grateful for mine and for that, I thank you.

BHN

[mondo joe]

52. If your response to reality is to try to live in some fantasy, so be it.

Don't expect others to play along.

[prayin4rain]

61. I am not

trying to be condescending... but .... have you traveled much?

I was always a down on America type... America is the worst.. the American people are so uneducated and uncultured.. so and so forth. UNTIL I started traveling. Those foreigners out there that are not as educated, civilized and compassionate as you seem to romanticize them to be, quite the opposite many times. My appreciation for this country and the genuinely kind people in this country goes up every time I leave the country for any extended period of time.

[prayin4rain]

57. omg... i live in texas and i see something EVERYDAY

about Texas this ... and we should not let Texas be a part of America... and Texas that.... and blah, blah, blah.... i agree with you that it is stupid ... but insulting eachother based on geography is a CONSTANT on this board.

[mondo joe]

58. And it's stupid.

But it's even MORE stupid to judge a state, region or country based on the actions of a few people or even a few dozen people.

[Doremus]

34. Mobs are nothing to play around with for several reasons.

WalPuke knows this but chooses not to expend a little extra effort making their sales safe. Either that or they simply don't care. Maybe both.

Mob mentality isn't limited to a particular geographic area. To say you don't want to live among such people rather limits your choices, but have at it.

[VPStoltz]

64. Because it's how you defeat terrorism - dontcha know.

[TexasObserver]

66. Overreact much? Overgeneralize much?

OMG, people were stomped to death at a WHO concert! Rock and Roll is terrible!

OMG, people were stomped to death at a rugby game! Sports fans are terrible!


Sometimes a tragedy might be as easily explained as bad planning on the part of Walmart. They knew there was a crowd. They know the crowds exert pressure from the back. They know this happens every year. They implicitly or explicitly encourage such behaviors. They're in a position to take safety measures.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

67. Religious pilgrimage mob trampling deaths occur like clockwork, yet...

curiously, little mention is made of them here.

[malaise]

69. They didn't only keep shopping

They dragged their boxes and trampled through a crime scene unprotected by the greedy fuckers called WALMART.
It is a frightening story. People are sick at all levels.

[BeHereNow]

73. Thanks Malaise- I know you understand where I am coming from on this story.

I don't recognize this country anymore.
Somehow, I don't think the examples given on this thread
as comparisons really apply.

We are talking about a crowd of WALMART shoppers.
A mob more concerned with buying SHIT
than a person's life.

BHN

[happychatter]

70. what's with all the hippy children, kicking people in the shins and screeching "bloody murder?"

don't they have mothers?