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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:32 PM
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Trained in Pakistan, Terrorists Just Wanted to Kill
Mumbai: The terrorists who attacked Mumbai had a single-point agenda: murder the maximum number of people.

Security and intelligence officials say heavily armed terrorists got off boats at the Gateway of India on Wednesday night and targeted 10 landmark locations. They took over two five-star hotels, the Taj Mahal Palace and Trident-Oberoi, and a Jewish residential complex. The Taj was cleared last on Saturday morning in a hail of bullets and blasts.

In the three nights and three days of the terrorist attack, at least 183 people died and 327 were injured. Of the dead, 20 were policemen and 22 foreigners. The casualty figure could rise.

Shock gave way to grief and anger on Saturday as the country grappled with what has been described as its own “9/11” and investigators zeroed in the people behind the worst terrorist attack on the country.

Sources tell CNN-IBN say the terrorists—two of them British-born Pakistanis and one a Yemeni national— had orders to keep murdering people till they themselves were killed. The terrorists were trained at a camp near Mangla Dam in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/trained-in-pak-terrorists-just-wanted-to-kill/79377-3.html
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:38 PM
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1. The terrorists were trained at a camp near Mangla Dam in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir????
Yeah, right.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:46 PM
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2. Follow the money and I'll bet you'll find origination in Afghanistan with either
Al-Quaeda and/or the Taleban.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:03 PM
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3. Pakistani terrorists predate Taleban and Al Qaeda
The radical Islamic tradition in Pakistan grew out of Deobandi Islam:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/islam-deobandi.htm

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Deoband is a town a hundred miles north of Delhi where a madrasa (religious school) was established there in 1867. The so-called 'Deobandi Tradition' itself is much older than the eponymous Dar-Ul-Ulum at Deoband. The Deoband madrasa brought together Muslims who were hostile to British rule and committed to a literal and austere interpretation of Islam.

For the last 200 years, Sunnis often have looked to the example of the Deoband madrassa (religious school) near Delhi, India. The Deoband school has long sought to purify Islam by discarding supposedly un-Islamic accretions to the faith and reemphasizing the models established in the Koran and the customary practices of the Prophet Mohammed. Additionally, Deobandi scholars often have opposed what they perceive as Western influences.

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The fundamentalist Deoband Dar-ul-Uloom brand of Islam inspired the Taliban movement and had widespread appeal for Muslim fundamentalists. Most of the Taliban leadership attended Deobandi-influenced seminaries in Pakistan. The Taliban was propped up initially by the civil government of Benazir Bhutto, then in coalition with the Deobandi Jama'at-ulema Islam (JUI) led by Maulana Fazlur Rehman . Traditionally, Sunni Islam of the Hanafi school of jurisprudence was the dominant religion of Afganistan. The Taliban also adhered to the Hanafi school of Sunni Islam, making it the dominant religion in the country for most of 2001. For the last 200 years, Sunnis often have looked to the example of the Deoband madrassah (religious school) near Delhi, India. Most of the Taliban leadership attended Deobandi-influenced seminaries in Pakistan. The Deoband school has long sought to purify Islam by discarding supposedly un-Islamic accretions to the faith and reemphasizing the models established in the Koran and the customary practices of the Prophet Mohammed. Additionally, Deobandi scholars often have opposed what they perceive as Western influences. Much of the population adheres to Deobandi-influenced Hanafi Sunnism, but a sizable minority adheres to a more mystical version of Sunnism generally known as Sufism. Sufism centers on orders or brotherhoods that follow charismatic religious leaders.

Although the majority of the Islamic population (Sunni) in Afghanistan and Pakistan, belong to the Hanafi sect, the theologians who have pushed Pakistan towards Islamic Radicalism for decades, as well as the ones who were the founders of the Taliban, espoused Wahabi rhetoric and ideals. This sect took its inspiration from Saudi Hanbali theologians who immigrated there in the 18th century, to help their Indian Muslim brothers with Hanbali theological inspiration against the British colonialists. Propelled by oil-generated wealth, the Wahhabi worldview increasingly co-opted the Deobandi movement in South Asia.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 02:58 PM
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4. I have been turning this over in my head the last day.
My "theory" is a little out of the narrative being used now.

1. Who - Pakistani terrorist? Maybe. Why would they risk a being identified when they could have killed just as many people with car bombs? Also, both countries are nuclear members, why would Pakistan want to risk an unmanaged escalation?
2. Where - Mumbai? Yes I realize this is their financial district but why would you target this area if you are trying to get world attention for Kashmir? Why would you target the people you want to help you?
3. When - Why would you do this now, when * is on his way out and a new administration that is more likely to take international politics more serious?
4. How - Guns and grenades? If it wasn't for the number of targets I doubt this would have even made cable news TV for more then a day. Why not use car bombs and really get attention and anonymity (less of an obvious trail back to Pakistan)
5. What - Motive. Once again, why risk an all out war over the Kashmir region. Yes, they have fought over it in the past, but what is the reason for the escalation now?

The person who benefits from this, in my opinion, is the US. WHAT you say! Listen to me for a second. Yes, world attention has been focused on this area for sure but not in anyway that is beneficial for Pakistan or its fight for Kashmir. The focus now is on the condemnation of the Pakistani government and its terrorist connections.
Who has been bombing Pakistan lately? We have. Without much interest from the Pakistani govt or world body to help reign in outlying havens that support Taliban terrorist activities. So why not create a world opinion to get Pakistan off their asses and fight their internal problems or have someone do it for them giving us the cover for more bombing and incursions into their territory.

Yes, I do occasionally go off the farm. Tinfoil post: off/

Thanks for your time and you are now free to flame away.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 04:05 PM
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7. I can't put anything past these bastards any more.
And that's a good point: everyone is now focused on condemning Pakistan. :shrug:
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 04:13 PM
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8. Maybe this is the "test" for Obama, that "they" keep talking about.
There is a lot of funny things to this storyline.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 04:18 PM
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9. There is a lot of screwiness and it trips my triggers.
"British born Pakistanis", for instance. What the hell is that? There is a big effort right now to blame Pakistan, regardless of the facts of the case. Almost as if, whether the ISI is involved or not, someone is pitching a story and they want it to follow a precise narrative of their making.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 05:07 PM
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10. That is what I'm picking up also.
The train left the station, lets see who rides and where it goes.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 04:00 PM
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5. I read a different report a little while ago here on DU
That said the terrorists had expectations of getting away.

The two reports do not add up.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 04:02 PM
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6. Beware of bs. There's another report that says these people believed
they were going to escape.

Remember, CNN et all is best taken with a pillar of salt. :(
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 05:24 PM
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11. Very true.
I am believing the story of them thinking they were going to get a way. A lot of contradictory reports, for now. And, it does seem like an effort to be sure Pakistan is blamed.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 05:35 PM
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12. It's good to read along with other skeptical readers.
:)
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