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Sonicmedusa (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 12:45 PM Original message |
To those who are blaming the people in the crowd: |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. Bullshit. Someone could have at least tried to get this poor guy out of the way of the people behind |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. If you ever find yourself in the situation maybe you will figure it out. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
68. I have been in that situation at concerts, and I helped to pick people up. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. It can't always be done |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. You have to keep on moving. If you try to stop or pick something |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Must be nice to be perfect |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. On the contrary people are implicityl blaming the Walmart manager who |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
84. The Reason I Blame That Manager. . . |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. The OP is quite correct. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. The correct democratic Thing to do is to appreciate science. This |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. If you've ever been in a crowd pushing forward with any intensity you'd understand that it's not BS. |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. Do you own stock in Wal Mart or something? n/t |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
42. Co-workers DID try to rescue the man that was killed and they also got trampled. n/t |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. no you can't |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. Been there - you are completely wrong |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. Well... I guess that'll about cover commentary on stampedes when you haven't been in one... |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. Both Mall-Wart and the shoppers are to blame |
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norepubsin08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. If it had been me...first of all I never would have gone there |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Driving by a WalMart makes you feel like you need confession? |
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norepubsin08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Because the place is so evil and dirty |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. . |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I don't know why the building should have any effect on YOU. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
53. He was using hyperbole--it's a figure of speech in which the speaker or |
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norepubsin08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
74. Thank you exactly what I was doing!!! |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
83. liberal guilt, and liberal despondency. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
54. Time out. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
45. not relevant |
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codjh9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. I agree. Regardless of why they were there (i.e. Mall-Wort lured 'em), you can't f-ing TRAMPLE |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. Yes. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
77. if you were in the front, you wouldn't have had an opportunity to let anyone in ahead of you |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Well, here are some facts: |
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fishnfla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. What was the reaction of the customers after this tragedy? |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. Are you fucking kidding? |
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targetpractice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Do you really think they trampled him on purpose? |
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norepubsin08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Yes I do think so!!! |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Yes, I think they knew it too! |
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Sonicmedusa (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
27. No, I'm not "fucking kidding". |
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revolve (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. But hidding behind "mob mentality" does ahve a moral aspect |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. You're an idiot for thinking that morals having nothing to do with this. |
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Sonicmedusa (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. And you are just sad. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Maybe not evil, but definitely greedy. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Yes, I do think this type of selfishness is 'evil'. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
57. "Mob mentality" is NOT what the OP is referring to. He is referring to crowd |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. If this happened at every Walmart store yesterday I would agree with you. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
78. it's happened before at Walmarts in the past and other big box stores. The stupidity on this |
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norepubsin08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
9. Fucking Wal-Mart set up the sale and the hype in the first place |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. What about the Media, the Media hyped Black Friday for a month. n/t |
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norepubsin08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I agree they are to blame also |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
79. And it was WALMART THAT HAD NO CROWD CONTROL IN PLACE |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. Absolutely right. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
18. PFFFFFFFFT! |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. I've been in concert situations in the past which bordered on mob mentality |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
19. Where's Blackwater Security When You Need Them? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. Your comments are accurate. |
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XOKCowboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
24. K&R for some common sense |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
29. the closest stampede situation I've been in.... |
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revolve (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
31. I have been in crowds at concerts with this same mentality |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
32. Well, that's when it shouldn't take a friend to stoop down and help |
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Sonicmedusa (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. What happens when you get bumped from behind when you are bent forward? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Well, sure - I suppose there's that risk |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. you risk your own life to do that |
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Inkyfuzzbottom (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
38. My solution... |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
75. Those people didn't go there to be in an ... |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
39. Murder-Mart n/t |
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pasto76 (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
44. BULLSHIT |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Yes Walmart could have done a lot, but why? They encourage this behavior. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
49. Filene's Basement has the same sort of crowd at their sales |
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Buns_of_Fire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. "the racks are stripped bare" -- appropriate terminology for the phenomenon. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I ditched Xmas long ago. I send my two kids a check to get whatever they |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Ooh! That's what we do too! Here is part of an email that we sent |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
61. I lost a contact once in the middle of a pretty crazy mosh pit. Yet, somehow, people saw me |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
62. The fact of the matter is that people were pushing to go buy stuff. |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
64. your are right on target 100% |
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Turk 182 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
65. Placing blame |
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Ignorimus (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
66. The crowd was not entitled to break the door |
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Blarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
67. I disagree. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
69. once it gets going, it's hard to stop |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. impossible |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
71. My Father had taken my sister and me to a movie in Mexico City |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
72. I hate the Smell of Wal-Mart.... |
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Witchy_Dem (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
73. BTDT at a U2 concert. Was in the front and if I had fallen I'd have been trampled. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
76. Actually I blame people for becoming part of this crowd |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
80. They were rushing the doors because they did not want to wait until the next group was allowed in. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
81. Thank you. Not all involved in the crowd were culpable. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
85. Thank you for posting! A little more about crowd control. |
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