I'll shop wal mart EVERY DAY

[backwoodsbob]

until the melodrama queens stop the over the top stupid shit.

Calling them death mart.
Calling for a national strike against them.

Hoping they get sued out of business.

Someone died.It's a tragedy.YES they should stop the black Friday crap.YES they were stupid to do it.
But lets look at them

When wallyworld moved here they put out of business the first year a total of TWO local mom and pops.MY Sister in law worked at one of those great treat their people like gold mom and pops.

They payed her minimum wage with no bennies.

She now works at wallyworld for 10.50 and insurance and paid vacations and 401(k) .

Tell her she's a traitor to democracy for working and shopping there.

SOME people just want their quaint mom and pop stores back not paying attention to the fact that most payed MINIMUM wage and NO bennies

[mdmc]

1. up with walmart

[boozepusher]

2. Murderer.

Of course I'm joking.B-)

[Triana]

3. Murder-Mart...

"Someone died.It's a tragedy.YES they should stop the black Friday crap.YES they were stupid to do it."

Minimize, much? What if it was YOUR family member who died this way. Would you still feel the same way?

[backwoodsbob]

13. yes I would

stupid people do stupid shit and that includes wal mart managers.

I SAID YES they shouldn't have done what they did.I hope the family of that man gets MILLIONS for what happened.I also hope the person who kicked him in the head can be identified and charged for murder.

I hope a national law is passed so this type of advertising is outlawed.

I also understand wallyworld isn't the evil corp people try to claim them to be

[uppityperson]

66. If you are being carried through in a giant crush, you may not know you

stepped on someone. Being in a stampede, you have little you can do except try to survive. Unless you are one of those on the edge. But in the midst of it? Stay upright and try to survive.

[ThatsMyBarack]

74. MOIDER-Mart!

:rofl:

[bunnies]

4. whoa. nt

[Hissyspit]

5. Here's some research material for you:

How Wal-Mart is Destroying America and The World and What You Can Do About It (Paperback)
By Bill Quinn

http://www.amazon.com/Wal-Mart-Destroying-America-World-About/dp/1580082319


Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price (2005)
Director: Robert Greenwald

http://www.amazon.com/Wal-Mart-High-Cost-Low-Price/dp/B000BTH4K4/ref=pd_sim_b_6


The Wal-Mart Effect: How the World's Most Powerful Company Really Works--and How It's Transforming the American Economy (Hardcover)

By Charles Fishman

http://www.amazon.com/Wal-Mart-Effect-Powerful-Works-Transforming/dp/B001CJP2OC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227987080&sr=1-1


Get back to me when you've done some studying. The Fishman is actually very even-handed, but still finds Wal-Mart quite disturbing.

[Dis Pater]

34. Funny how the links you use are to Amazon

which has put many a small town Mom and Pop book business, out of business.

Conspirator.

[Hissyspit]

35. I just used Amazon to google the titles.

But you knew that, didn't you?

Buy them wherever you want. The Mom and Pop issue is not the only issue with Wal-Mart.

[pampango]

40. The ol' "I'm smarter than you are".

How about using DU to present some arguments behind your beliefs rather than presenting reading lists?

[Hissyspit]

47. My argument behind my beliefs is that the OP is ill-informed.

And can do something about it.

Which is what I said.

[Pale Blue Dot]

52. Reading lists are evil!!!

:rofl:

[pampango]

69. Not evil, but not much of a discussion enhancer. "Here read this and get back to me,

when you are as smart as I am." Not much of a turn on for those of us who would like to see discussions of issues rather than the lobbing of competing reading lists. :hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

68. My friend has a great song he wrote about WM

http://sites.google.com/a/herrmannators.com/jim/Home/A-File-Cabinet

[Realityhack]

6. The statistics suggest otherwise.

While I am certainly glad for your sister in law, many Wallmart employees are on government assistance despite working full time. They routinely break labor laws, force employees to work overtime without ANY pay, bust unionization attempts like the gestapo, etc. etc.

I agree that the drama queens need to stop over-reacting to the trampling death.

But that doesn't make Wallmart a responsible company.

[glowing]

7. So, you would be in favor of a Universal Healthcare plan.. that actually

allowed people to move around and work where they wanted... AND you would be in favor of Walmart being Unionized.. so that accross the board everyone gets more pie.

[backwoodsbob]

17. yes I would

absolutely.

I don't claim wallyworld is a perfect place.I wish we could unuonize EVERY workplace.

I just don't place all the greed and averice in the world in the lap of companies.

[JVS]

51. Big stores like Walmart are at least theoretically unionizable. Mom and Pop stores aren't

Unionization works best within the context of large organizations. That's why US steel and GM got unionized. It's mom and pop operations like the carwash down the street that will never be unionized.

[Ecumenist]

57. They are unionised in Canada and China, so....

I would say that you're right about the theoretical unionisation of Walmart.

[JVS]

60. Interesting. Walmart is no friend to workers, but to pretend that Target or other stores are...

is really stupid. Let them gobble each other up until there are two or three companies. Then unionize them. Much easier to unionize the 2 companies everyone resents than the 500 odd that most people don't know about.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

8. Okey-doke!

(does Jedi Hand-jive)

Wal-Mart's wonderful. All hail Wal-Mart. They didn't do anything to cause the riot. Nothing. Nothing at all.

Move along! Nothing to see here! These are not the droids you're looking for.

:popcorn:

[Omaha Steve]

9. It's not the only thing against Walmart

1 of every 10 cargo ships that leave China is headed for a Walmart. 1 of 10. How many jobs that made more than $10.50 an hour are lost over that. Only 40% of the employees qualify for benefits. And let us not forget the worlds largest class action suit for discrimination against WOMEN (like your sister in law) is winding slowly through the courts. Appeal after appeal.

The Walton family is one of the dirty 18. Look it up.

[hlthe2b]

14. Not to mention the sweatshop labor they perpetuate

[sandnsea]

10. She's lucky

Most don't get that. Just because she does, it is no reason to ignore the plight of the majority of workers.

[Sonicmedusa]

11. Maybe your sister could open the door next Black Friday

at DeathMart.

How proud you will be.

[backwoodsbob]

19. thats fucking sick

you're disgusting

[MercutioATC]

12. Look, WalMart is great at some things...

...like union-busting and selling people a lot of cheap Chinese crap...

They're also pretty good at making money for their shareholders.


They're not "evil", they're a successful business. True, there are some over-the-top people here...but most of us who won't have anything to do with WalMart have made the decision based on a practical, not emotional basis. WalMart's goals run in opposition to ours.

[patriotvoice]

16. Exceedingly well said: "WalMart's goals run in opposition to ours."

++good;

[backwoodsbob]

20. THAT I can agree with

BUT it's NOT wal marts fault and that's the point I'm trying to get across.

We need to make the LAWS right in this country so this can't happen again.We can't blame wallyworld for working WITHIN THE LAW.

Lets CHANGE THE LAWS!!!!!

THAT is my point

[MercutioATC]

31. WalMart is partially at fault, but certainly not solely.

They could have very well anticipated the possibility of a mob on Black Friday and taken steps (extra security, a system that didn't involve hundreds of people anxiously standing outside the store for hours, etc.). They chose not to.

I believe the primary fault lies with the individuals who stormed the store, but the store does bear some responsibility for creating the environment.

[Mnemosyne]

63. Whom do you believe manipulated those laws to it's advantage in the first place? n/t

[hlthe2b]

27. No.... They're evil..

I was told by a reliable source... :evilgrin:

[liberalmuse]

15. I prefer Stomp the poor stock clerk to death just to save a couple of bucks Mart.

BTW, nice pretzel logic. It's always fascinating to see a person defend a multi-million dollar corporation that engages in absolutely heinous practices across the board from the big bad all-powerful liberals. :eyes:

[Omaha Steve]

18. Crimes at Walmart by zip code

http://www.walmartcrimereport.com/ to review other incidents of Wal-mart not providing a safe work and shopping experience. It is done by volunteers, so this is by no means complete.

[dysfunctional press]

56. couple of things about that list-

first of all- how many of those police calls were to pick up a shoplifter that has been detained by store security?
secondly- a lot of walmart stores are built in 'poorer' areas, where the land is cheaper, and their customer base can be more easily served. many of these areas probably had higher than average poice calls even before a walmart was built there.

[Omaha Steve]

64. There are no Walmarts in Omaha built in BAD areas of town

It is a long bus ride for the poor to get to a Walmart from North or South O! Look it up. Only one (under construction) is even in the city limits.

[Doremus]

76. I do a lot of traveling in this region and I've yet to see a Walpuke store in a 'poor' area

Where are these stores in poor areas? The poor areas in this region are urban inner-city neighborhoods. To build the average size WM in these areas they would have to raze a couple of city blocks.

Again, which poor areas are you speaking of with WM stores?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

72. The Wal-Mart that is nearby where I live isn't on the list.

[Warren Stupidity]

21. I'll bang nails in my head EVERY DAY

until you mellow dramamimes stop with teh stupid shit!

I Swear I will! Just try and stop me. You'll have to pry those nails out over my dead gums.

Dagnabbit.

[hfojvt]

22. $10.5 sounds like a lot for a Wallyworld worker

they don't make that much here, but Walmart does, according to the DG workers, pay more than DG and probably as much as any mom and pop or local grocery store. Plus, you can goto any high-priced shoe store and never find American made shoes.

[backwoodsbob]

23. you guys dont seem to get my point

I've probably said it really bad.

I'm saying don't blame wallyworld for working within the system we have handed them...lets change the system.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

32. We didn't "hand" them the system

A lot of this stuff was innovated by WallyWorld, from their real estate polcies to their predatory treatment of suppliers to some of the single most hateful labor policies in the U.S.

At one point, Wal-Mart even got caught purchasing life insurance on its own employees, w/o their knowledge and keeping track of them to cash in after their death (w/o the family's knowledge). Wal-Mart recognized that it could write off the cost of the policy on the front end and not be taxed on the proceeds on the back. Legal? Maybe. Sleazy? Certainly.

[tekisui]

24. Fuck Wal-Mart, they are a cancer on this planet.

[Owl]

26. My sentiments exactly.

[kevsand]

25. That seems a fair trade off.

Millions of Americans unemployed because Wal-Mart has helped to push manufacturing jobs overseas, in return for your sister making 20somethingK a year. Why didn't we do this earlier?

[dubeskin]

28. I shop and at Wal-Mart and will continue to

because their prices are low. Look, ultimate taking care of myself comes before someone else. Call a selfish, arrogant prick, but I'm going for the good deals. Sure, if I made triple what I do every year, I might consider shopping elsewhere where business practices are better. But until then, low prices and everyday savings for me are at Wal-Mart.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

36. Don't always assume WalMart is lowest in price, though

In my town, the local downtown druggist charges LESS on prescriptions and other stuff than does WallyWorld. When my husband, who is diabetic, found this out, he was shocked--but is now very pleased because he gets better, friendlier service and he doesn't have to walk a mile to the store. This was some 5-6 years ago, btw. Just for fun, I decided to check out other stores for things we buy, and found the prices to be lower or the same--and some of these local stores carried quality stuff you can't find at WalMart at all!

So if you are looking out for yourself, I would urge you to check out WalMart's competition--you may be surprised at what bargains you can find.

[dubeskin]

48. I have

And while there are a few things we use that are cheaper elsewhere, in the long run it's cheaper because we don't have to use gas to go somewhere else, plus it's more time efficient.

[Contrary1]

59. I had a prescription filled at Walmart one time...

that was enough for me. The prescription called for a three month supply. It was going to be very expensive, so I asked if I could just get a one month supply with 2 refills.

The dumbest pharmacy worker I have ever encountered told me that I could not change the strength of the pill from 90mg to 30mg.
:wtf:

I repeated my question, she repeated her answer. So, I requested that she ask the actual pharmacist. He said yes, and then she argued her twisted logic with him for another 5 minutes. Finally, he just told her to fill it.

They were a bit behind, however. It wouldn't be ready for three hours. Never again.

[Tikki]

29. I went into a Wal*Mart once....

The shopping carts were filthy...there were items that belonged on the shelves that were scattered
all over the floor and many of the items on the shelves (or floor) were already broken.

I can't shop like that...

But, cool....I don't have to...because there are many stores near me where community pride is evident.


Tikki

[tularetom]

30. I go in there once or twice a year to buy shotgun shells

mostly because they have a big parking lot where I can avoid parking meters, but I gotta say shopping there is an unpleasant experience compared to almost any other store. Already narrow aisles are further cramped by displays in the walking space. Carts full of goods to be stocked on shelves are left in the middle of the aisle. Material is stacked on top of the shelves almost to the ceiling making the place seem even more claustrophobic.In an emergency it would be a disaster to try to evacuate the place.

Plus the general appearance reflects a low level of care. The floors, entrance and parking lot are dirty and littered. It's like the staff could give a shit about it.

Most of the clerks act like they are pissed off having to work there and it shows.

I'm always glad to get the hell out of there. I'll bet they have a high rate of employee theft.

[Dis Pater]

37. Do you drive there in an SUV?

ZOMG!

[charlie]

39. One note

And you play it so well!

[Dis Pater]

43. hey look, it's one note charlie!

[charlie]

45. ZOMG

Where?!

[patriotvoice]

65. Funny, shells were the last thing I bought at Wal*Mart (3 years ago).

And that incident broke a 5 year string of total Wal*Mart avoidance. Shame I absolutely had to have those shells on a Sunday, when no local shop was open.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

33. Interesting thing happening here in NW Arkansas,

home of WalMart. The mom and pop stores are coming back. And they have much better prices and much better service than the local WalMart. Plus they treat their employees well. They are full time employees, not temps, and they are given salaries that, for around here, aren't bad. ($10.50 an hour is way above what WalMart employees get here--try three bucks an hour less than that!) Besides that, the local owners take pride in the town and contribute to it in many ways--our local druggist lives above his store on Main Street and is one of the folks behind city beautification, the Art Walk, and live theater in the old movie house on the square. WalMart used to donate to local causes, but haven't in recent years.

The problem with WalMart is that they have let quality and service and community involvement go by the wayside. All they have now is cheap junk.

[charlie]

38. Yep

I was shocked after coming back from 13 years overseas. My Walmarts are stinky, dirty, messy, and underlit. I worked at a Walmart 20 years ago and Sam would've crapped a cow if he made one of his stops into a store that looked like these. He also would've dragged managers out by the ears to man the always-understaffed registers.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

42. Sam also had a Made in the USA campaign

that helped American businesses and manufacturers. But after his death the family just took the money and ran.

[Touchdown]

46. Sam also lobbied congress to be exempt from min wage laws.

... in the 1950s-60s. He's not a saint. Read up about who he REALY was. The Walton kids? Chip off the old block IMO.

[Hanse]

41. A fool and his money are soon parted.

Your loss, not ours.

[marmar]

44. It didn't take this incident to keep me away from Apall-Mart.....I've never stepped foot in one.

And never want to.

[JVS]

49. Yeah, I worked for Pop once. He can go fuck himself.

Work was on commission and shit sucked. Wouldn't let people work less than 12 hour shifts. One time I ran into a former co-worker at the wally world who quit because she had trouble staying awake for the 12 hour shift. She said that her new job stocking shelves was way better than working for Pop. Wallyworld is no picnic, but at least they aren't small enough to squeeze through the cracks of having to pay minimum wage

[Pale Blue Dot]

50. You are, truly, the Greatest American Hero. nt

[lamp_shade]

53. I shop there often. n/t

[Owl]

54. Considering Chinese citizenship?

:shrug:

[Dukkha]

55. up with consumer greed! power to the corporations!

and sorry about your lack of taste :eyes:

[Bluebear]

58. My big, brave hero. nt

[wuushew]

61. New York Challenges Wal-Mart Over Dismissal of Two Who Dated Against the Rules

It seems that Wal-Mart, the nation's largest retailer, has a policy that bars an employee who is married from dating anyone else who works in the store. Since Ms. Allen was married, albeit separated from her husband, at the time she began dating Mr. Johnson, the two were dismissed last February. Rules on Fraternization

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7DE163CF937A25754C0A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

[cliffordu]

62. You want some MURDER with your fitted rubber sheets????

:rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. So you would rather support the Chinese economy

Hey whatever works for ya. I prefer buying local since my dollar stays right here in my community.

[TexasObserver]

70. Do you work for Walmart?

Sounds like it.

They were at fault. They will pay seven figures to settle with the dead man's family, and they should. They were grossly negligent.

We progressives think that is a good thing. I understand that rightwingers don't think that's a good idea, so you might want to ask yourself if you're in the right place.

[lame54]

71. support slavery - that will show us

[TommyO]

73. A man fucking died because of WalMart!

and here you are defending them. Idiot!

[blondeatlast]

75. Shop there, fine by me--and I'll express my opinion on an opinion board.

I loathe the place for aesthetic reasons, not just political.

[datasuspect]

77. benzedrine?

walmart pays in amphetamines?

[tsuki]

78. Well, go. Nobody asking you to stay. Load up on your Chinese crap.

As for the rest of the shit you posted, I know people who work for WalMart with no insurance, paid vacations or 401(k). They are called part-time, like most of the workers are.