Glaciers Growing Again

[Popol Vuh]

Did the CO2 levels drastically drop and I missed the news? Or does this match up with solar cycle activity? Explain to me so I can understand how increasingly higher and higher levels of CO2 resulted in glacier growth instead of increasingly faster melt-offs.

Looks to me like the CO2 theorists have a major contradiction on their hands.

Glaciers in Norway Growing Again

Scandinavian nation reverses trend, mirrors results in Alaska, elsewhere.

After years of decline, glaciers in Norway are again growing, reports the Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate (NVE). The actual magnitude of the growth, which appears to have begun over the last two years, has not yet been quantified, says NVE Senior Engineer Hallgeir Elvehøy.

The flow rate of many glaciers has also declined. Glacier flow ultimately acts to reduce accumulation, as the ice moves to lower, warmer elevations. The original trend had been fairly rapid decline since the year 2000. The developments were originally reported by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation (NRK).

DailyTech has previously reported on the growth in Alaskan glaciers, reversing a 250-year trend of loss. Some glaciers in Canada, California, and New Zealand are also growing, as the result of both colder temperatures and increased snowfall.

http://www.dailytech.com/Glaciers+in+Norway+Growing+Again/article13540.htm

Alaskan Glaciers Grow for First Time in 250 years

A bitterly cold Alaskan summer has had surprising results. For the first time in the area's recorded history, area glaciers have begun to expand, rather than shrink. Summer temperatures, which were some 3 degrees below average, allowed record levels of winter snow to remain much longer, leading to the increase in glacial mass.

"In mid-June, I was surprised to see snow still at sea level in Prince William Sound", said glaciologist Bruce Molnia. "In general, the weather this summer was the worst I have seen in at least 20 years".

"On the Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface late July. At Bering Glacier, a landslide I am studying not become snow free until early August." Molnia, who works for the US Geological Survey, said it's been a "long time" since area glaciers have seen a positive mass balance -- an increase in the total amount of ice they contain.

Since 1946, the USGS has maintained a research project measuring the state of Alaskan glaciers. This year saw records broken for most snow buildup. It was also the first time since any records began being that the glaciers did not shrink during the summer months.

http://www.dailytech.com/Alaskan%2BGlaciers%2BGrow%2Bfor%2BFirst%2BTime%2Bin%2B250%2Byears/article13215.htm

[villager]

1. "Tibetan Glaciers Melting at Stunning Rate"

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/24/tibet-glaciers-warming.html

[Xithras]

50. The Tibetan glaciers may be suffering the same problems as the Andean and Kilimanjaro glaciers

I.E., localized deforestation. In pre-industrial times, water vapor evaporating from the rainforests (which can release just as much H2O as the oceans at times) was swept upslope where it fell as snow and replenished the glaciers on Kilimanjaro and in the Andes year round. Removal of those forests has stopped that mechanism, which now limits snowfall. Glaciers aren't static and require a large amount of new snow every year just to remain stable.

I was reading a paper recently on the Tibetan glaciers which pointed to the same issue. The northerly summer monsoon sweeps across India from the Arabian sea and drops massive amounts of rain onto the Indian subcontinent. Only 100 years ago more than 40% of India was covered in that rainforest, permitting massive amounts of water to radiate back into the atmosphere. Much of that vapor went north, where it fell onto the Himalayas as snow.

Today only 8% of India is covered in forest, and most of that is concentrated in extreme eastern India where it does little to help the Himalayan snowfall numbers. The rest of the forest, including virtually all of the native forest on the subcontinent, has been cleared for farms and cities.

Even if global warming were stopped and reversed today, these glaciers would still melt away.

[morningglory]

2. Well, people are definitely driving less, but whatever, hope the trend

continues, and we get enough of a break to reverse our destructive use of fossil fuels.

[dysfunctional press]

17. huh?

please tell me that you aren't suggesting that the fairly recent and minor drop-off in driving is even a factor in growth seen in these glaciers...pretty please, even.

:eyes:

[defendandprotect]

19. This is like saying ivy is growing in Amazon and replacing the forests---!!!!

[morningglory]

35. Since becoming hysterically, obsessively concerned about the GW, we have

been using the new kind of light bulbs (replaced the first one we had installed 6 months ago, the date I had written on it was 2004. Been turning the lights off and using little electricity around the house. Hoping maybe we have had an effect enough to give us a bit of extra time to really turn things around.

[dysfunctional press]

40. wow.

[RadiationTherapy]

54. He is snarking you because it is unlikely that we have even reached the climax

of the impact from the pollution from the 50's through the 70's regarding glacial impact.

He is "concerned" that you think it is possible to positively impact GW and glacier growth/demise by the recent and relatively minor changes that have been made regarding energy consumption.

[Progressive_In_NC]

53. was reading yesterday that you could put modern filters on all the coal plants in the world

And you would save 2-3 times what you could save if the whole world stops driving. Too bad a lot of states don't require these filters. NC is currently sueing Tennessee to force their coal plants on the borders to use the new technology.

They are causing a tremendous amount of pollution in Asheville, and western NC.

[xchrom]

3. recommend

[Maestro]

4. That is nice to know, but

there is still much to be done to lessen the impact of our coal/oil lovin' society. As this is reported, in the Antarctica scientists have discovered new rifts in a huge ice shelf that are threatening to cause a massive break.

[Blue_In_AK]

5. At least as far as Alaska is concerned,

we've been told that we're in a period of "Pacific decadal oscillation," http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/ which I think has something to do with how the earth is tilted on its axis, and that we should expect perhaps up to 40 years of cooler weather than we've experienced in the past few decades. I also read that our cooler summer (which was pretty miserable really) and ocean temperatures helped bring the fish back off the coasts of Oregon and Washington. If we here in Alaska have to suffer through gray, rainy, cold summers to restore the balance of nature, I'm okay with it, although I was kind of liking that global warming thing while it lasted. :)

[gristy]

6. We're saved! Yay!

:party: Those silly scientists sure do have some 'splainin to do.




:sarcasm:

[baby_mouse]

7. Well...

They have been wrong before, you know...

[John Q. Citizen]

49. The beauty of science is that it's self correcting. If it weren't you couldn't read this.

[JVS]

59. Let us burn coal to commemorate our deliverance!

[ClarkUSA]

8. Who is behind dailytech.com? I am somewhat dubious since this story is the opposite of others

:shrug:

[defendandprotect]

20. In NJ we're averaging 25 degrees above normal -- Global Warming --

And I'd suggest that those who want to switch the discussion away from

"Global Warming" to Climate Change are trying to confuse you --

The HEAT is on --

[XemaSab]

45. "Climate change" is actually a better term

Precipitation patterns may change, wind and ocean currents may change... a lot will happen besides warming.

And yes, some areas may see more snow or may be cooler.

[StClone]

51. They are equally accurate

What causes the Climate Change? That would be the increased heat captured in the modified alberio. So which came first or did they come together (heat capture vs. climate change)?

So why is one more accurate than the other? It's like calling it a car crash or was it a collision?

And too, modest ice accumulation in a few spots on the globe is at this time statistically insignificant.

[Nederland]

47. Link?

I would be shocked to learn that NJ is 25 degress above normal.

[unpossibles]

9. The best explanation I could give would be that

there's a difference between local warming and global climate change. In other words, some areas of the entire system can sometimes buck the overall trend.

Another thing to consider is that fluctuations do not necessarily mean that there is not a trend. As an analogy, someone can be losing weight over the course of a year, but still have days where they gain a pound or two.

[rawtribe]

10. 1st commercial ship sails through Northwest Passage

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2008/11/28/nwest-vessel.html

[endless october]

11. they'll grow more if we switch to nuclear and hydrogen.

hydrogen is a bit down the road, but we made it to the moon on 1960s technology. we can do it.

[hedgehog]

12. Unfortunately, this is to be expected. If you want the technical explanation:

http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/reference/bibliography/2007/af0701.pdf

[StClone]

56. This is the Infamous North Atlantic Oscillation

A possible occurrence but some models that I have seen actually predict a warming to override the effect of the thermocline modulation. Clouds (jet contrails) may have another wild card that is still not fully predicted.

[lurky]

13. Local conditions fluctuate with local weather patterns.

A cold summer in Alaska or a warm winter in Boston or a busy hurricane season in the Gulf of Mexico do not prove or disprove anything.

You have to take a look at what's happening world-wide over decades to really be able to say anything. I'm sure this won't stop the denialists from citing this as "proof" that global warming is a hoax, however.

By the way, why would you think this says anything about the cause of global warming? And why do you use the expression "CO2 Theorists"? I think I smell an agenda... My apologies if I am wrong.

[The Traveler]

14. I'm not a climatologist but

but I do have some formal education in thermodynamics and planetary atmospheres.

So glacier mass has built in some places again? I'd like to see better evidence, but not surprising, really. An average rise in global temperature of, say, 0.9 degrees C represents a huge addition of heat to the global system. (Kinda like heating a swimming pool ... takes a lot of power to raise water temperatute by 1 degree.) But average figures tell us nothing about have that energy transfers within the system. That requires detailed measurement and analysis.

As the energy of the system rises, the modes of energy transfer between its components will change. For example, polar ice melts, allowing more of that energy to go into raising water temperates in the arctic and freshening North Atlantic sea water. As salinity drops and additional, ocean currents may be expected to shift in course, speed, depth, etc. Ocean currents are major conveyors of heat energy so these shifts can be expected to have effects on local weather. Thus raising the average temperature of the planet can cause increases in snow accumulations in some regions, at least for a while.

A look at the data suggests disturbing (if you are invested in high energy technology civilization) shifts in the energy transfer mechanism of the atmosphere and oceans. It is difficult to predict exactly how these will work out and what the new equilibrium will look like. Part of the problem with that is the vast array of positive feedback mechanisms that warming has triggered. There are those (and I tend to believe them) that think the effect of the postive feedback now represents a bigger "signal" to the system than human the effects of human activity. In short, the global warming deniers have succeeded in stringing things out until the opportunity for preventative action has passed.

Congrats, guys.

Unfortunately for most of us, we won't enjoy the outcome, nor the unknown number of transitions we will experience before a new equilibrium is achieved. As the climate changes, there will be "winners and losers". Places we like will and have invested in will become inhospitable, and places previously undersireable will become prime real estate. Food supplies will become increasingly strained. The geopolitical and strategic implications of all this are difficult to predict, but it is likely that the pressures that produce conflict are going to increase. So in addition to weird weather, rapid changes in climate that stress infrastructure (especially with regard to water supplies) , and increasing presssure on people to move across defined boarders, we are likely to see more wars.

Hey, but what the hell. We made a fast buck off old technology. We could have done better for future generations but screw 'em. We had a good time and lived high on the hog. No worries, mate.

Trav

[Popol Vuh]

15. I have only two words to add:

Solar Maximum. n/t

[jpak]

32. I have two more words to add: "horse" and "shit"

Lockwood, Mike and Fröhlich, Claus (2007) Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature. Proceedings of the Royal Society A, 463, (2086), 2447-2460.

Abstract

There is considerable evidence for solar influence on the Earth’s pre-industrial climate
and the Sun may well have been a factor in post-industrial climate change in the first half
of the last century. Here we show that over the past 20 years, all the trends in the Sun
that could have had an influence on the Earth’s climate have been in the opposite
direction to that required to explain the observed rise in global mean temperatures.

[grantcart]

46. well said lol

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. I thought you just argued that glaciers are growing.

Doesn't that contradict your "solar maximum" argument?

[FarCenter]

16. Depending on greenhouse gases, we may end the ice ages or trigger the next one

A open Arctic Ocean is consistent with increased precipitation in Alaska, Canada, Greenland, Scandinavia and Siberia. This causes cool summers over the northern continental land mass, incomplete melting of the snowfall, and increased glaciation.

So melting of the Arctic Ocean ice would normally trigger the next Ice Age, with the consequent regrowth of the North American, European and Siberian ice sheets.

This continues until the sea levels go down, northward currents from the Atlantic to the Artic diminish, and the Arctic Ocean freeze over.

On the other hand, if we have put enough greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, the atmospheric warming may prevent the ice shields from forming and we will go back to a climate similar to before the ice ages began about 6 million years ago.

[XemaSab]

43. .

:thumbsup:

[defendandprotect]

18. Remember reports Ozone Hole shrinking ---?????

[Bucky]

21. The glaciers are coming back because we elected Obama

          I'm just floating this one out there




 

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. Out of 32 Norwegian glaciers measured, 3 grew; 24 shrunk

Which tells us a lot about how 'Daily Tech' is willing to distort things to get their agenda across.

Here's the Norwegian page they've linked to: http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/1.6322673

And here's the results of Google translation:

Senioringeniør Hallgeir Elvehøy in the Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate (NVE) said that the NTB in a note to the message that brefronten in 22 of 32 surveyed glaciers in Norway have pulled back in the past year.

- If pålagringen of snow on the glaciers continues, the withdrawal stop or brefrontene again move forward, "said Elvehøy.
He said that NVE is not yet done the calculations that will tell how much the glaciers that glacier, ski and Svartisen added on the last two years. But it is clear that this development does not apply in Jotunheimen glaciers, and in northern Norway no other glaciers than Svartisen.

Better translation will be appreciated, of course, but luckily the people at NVE write their web pages in English too:

Results 2008

Thirty-two glaciers were measured in 2008, eight glaciers in North-Norway, and twenty-four glaciers in South-Norway. Twenty-four glaciers retreated.

Fåbergstølsbreen in Jostedalen in Luster retreated 60 meters, and Brenndalsbreen in Stryn retreated 56 meters. Bondhusbrea, a western outlet from Folgefonna ice cap in Kvinherad retreated 50 meters. At three glaciers the measurements indicated advance. This is partly adjustments to relatively large changes last year. Five glaciers had only minor changes (+/- 2 meters). Mean annual length change was 14 meters. Measurements were resumed at three glaciers - Tunsbergdalsbreen in Jostedalen which was monitored between 1900 and 1965, and Trollkyrkjebreen (measured 1944 - 1974) and Finnanbreen (measured 1950-1974) at Trollstigen in Møre & Romsdal.

http://www.nve.no/modules/module_109/publisher_view_product.asp?iEntityId=1617

So we see that DailyTech is lying through its arse.

[villager]

29. Ah. Inconvenient numbers for the denial crowd.

n/t

[jpak]

23. West Antarctic Glaciers Melting At 20 Times Former Rate, Rock Analysis Shows

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080229075228.htm

Boulders the size footballs could help scientists predict the West Antarctic Ice Sheet's (WAIS) contribution to sea-level rise according to new research.

Scientists from British Antarctic Survey (BAS), Durham University and Germany's Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research (AWI) collected boulders deposited by three glaciers in the Amundsen Sea Embayment -- a region currently the focus of intense international scientific attention because it is changing faster than anywhere else on the WAIS and it has the potential to raise sea-level by around 1.5 metres.

Analysis of the boulders has enabled the scientists to start constructing a long-term picture of glacier behaviour in the region. An urgent task is to put recent ice sheet changes into a historical context, and determine if these are part of a natural retreat since the end of the last glacial period (about 20 thousands years ago), or if they are a result of recent human-induced climate change.

Lead author Dr Joanne Johnson of BAS says, "Until now we didn't know much about the long-term history of this part of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet because the region is incredibly remote and inaccessible. Our geological findings add a new piece to the jigsaw and will be used for improving computer models -- the most important tools we have for predicting future change."

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[jpak]

24. Antarctic Glaciers Melting Rapidly

http://www.livescience.com/environment/050421_glacial_retreat.html

A new study of glaciers in a portion of the Antarctic finds 84 percent of them have retreated over the past 50 years in response to a warmer climate.

The work was based on 2,000 aerial photos, some taken in the 1940s, and satellite images. The climate in the region has warmed by more than 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit (2.5 Celsius) in the last 50 years, the scientists said.

"The widespread retreat of the glaciers on the Antarctic Peninsula over the last 50 years was largely caused by climate change," said David Vaughan of the British Antarctic Survey in Cambridge. "Are humans responsible? We can't say for sure, but we are one step closer to answering this important question."

The findings mirror similar changes seen in other parts of the Antarctic and in the Arctic, too.

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[Fearless]

25. In regards to CO2 historically...

I don't know about recently, but large and I mean LARGE influxes of CO2 (and other gases like SO2, sulfur dioxide) into the atmosphere are usually the result of a massive volcanic eruption. The result is an influx of CO2 into the atmosphere which works to refract light on a global level causing seasonal planetary cooling. Depending on the size of the eruption, it could last for a couple of months or a few years. Supervolcano explosions could cause it to last a century or more. I'll give an example below of an eruption that caused such world cooling, the most present one that I can remember... Krakatoa, 1883.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa

[jpak]

26. Glaciers in southern Alps shrinking at alarming rate (New Zealand)

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Earth/Global_Warming/Glaciers_in_southern_Alps_shrinking_at_alarming_rate/rssarticleshow/3493349.cms

Glaciers in the southern Alps have lost 2.2 billion tonnes of permanent ice in a year since April 2007, the fourth highest annual loss since monitoring began.

For the past 32 years, the New Zealand based National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research (NIWA) has been surveying 50 glaciers in the southern Alps, using a small fixed wing aircraft, to record the height of the snow line at the end of summer

NIWA principal scientist Jim Salinger said photographs taken on this year's survey showed the glaciers had lost much more ice than they had gained during the past glacier year, reports Sciencealert.com.

"As a result of La Niña conditions over New Zealand, more easterlies, and warmer than normal temperatures, there was less snowfall in the southern Alps and more snowmelt.

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[jpak]

27. Melting Swiss Glaciers Threaten Alps

http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/28158/story.htm

Hot summers in the 1990s in particular, prompted a glacier melt-down which has outpaced previous forecasts. It could impact tourism and cause more environmental hazards such as flash floods, scientist Frank Paul said.

"It is amazing what huge masses of ice have been lost," he told Reuters in a telephone interview. "Every hiker in the Alps knows about it: the changes in recent years have been dramatic."

While Swiss glaciers shrank a meager one percent in the 12 years to 1985, they lost some 18 percent of their area in the 1985-2000 period, the research showed.

This suggests they are melting faster than earlier estimates which put the loss at 30 percent between 1980 and 2025.

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[jpak]

28. As Andean Glaciers Shrink, Water Worries Grow

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9805E3DA1039F937A15752C1A9649C8B63

From the top of this snow-capped peak 17,400 feet up, the surrounding Royal Range looks as healthy as ever: deep, glittering snow and a thick covering of glaciers as far as the eye can see.

But as Eulalio Gonzales, a veteran mountain guide, surveyed from the craggy peak overlooking Bolivia's windswept highlands, all he saw were remnants, fading and shrinking fast.

This mountain's glacier, boasting the world's highest ski slope, has been melting so steadily that scientists predict its demise in a decade. The Zongo glacier on the nearby mountain of Huayna Potosi is retreating by 10 yards a year.

On a third peak, the 18,000-foot Condoriri, the glacier that supplies the largest reservoir in the Bolivian highlands is shriveling so fast that scientists fear a scarcity of drinking water in the decades to come.

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[Nederland]

48. That story is from 2002 (nt)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

52. And?

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2008/2008-04-28-01.asp

[Nederland]

55. Thanks for the updated link (nt)

[SidDithers]

30. Didn't you get spanked enough in your Global Warming Swindle post?..

At least your idiotic series of climate change denial posts gives more posters the opportunity to laugh at you.

Sid

[jpak]

31. Apparently not

:rofl:

[jpak]

33. Africa's glaciers gone by 2025 - American Geophysical Union

http://news.mongabay.com/2006/0515-agu.html

Fabled equatorial icecaps will disappear within two decades, because of global warming, a study British and Ugandan scientists has found. In a paper to be published 17 May in Geophysical Research Letters, they report results from the first survey in a decade of glaciers in the Rwenzori Mountains of East Africa. An increase in air temperature over the last four decades has contributed to a substantial reduction in glacial cover, they say.


The Rwenzori Mountains--also known as the Mountains of the Moon--straddle the border between the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Republic of Uganda. They are home to one of four remaining tropical ice fields outside of the Andes and are renowned for their spectacular and rare flora and fauna. The mountains' legendary status was set during the second century, when the Greek geographer Ptolemy made a seemingly preposterous but ultimately accurate statement about snow-capped mountains at the equator in Africa: "The Mountains of the Moon whose snows feed the lakes, sources of the Nile."

The glaciers were first surveyed a century ago when glacial cover over the entire range was estimated to be 6.5 square kilometers <2.5 square miles>. Recent field surveys and satellite mapping of glaciers conducted by researchers from University College London, Uganda's Makerere University, and the Ugandan Water Resources Management Department show that some glaciers are receding tens of metres each year and that the area covered by glaciers halved between 1987 and 2003. With less than one square kilometer of glacier ice remaining, the researchers expect these glaciers to disappear within the next twenty years.

Richard Taylor of the University College London Department of Geography, who led the study, says: "Recession of these tropical glaciers sends an unambiguous message of a changing climate in this region of the tropics. Considerable scientific debate exists, however, as to whether changes in temperature or precipitation are responsible for the shrinking of glaciers in the East African Highlands that also include Kilimanjaro and Mount Kenya." Taylor and his colleagues found that in the Rwenzori Mountains since the 1960s, there are clear trends toward increased air temperature without significant changes in precipitation.

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[jpak]

34. Western Canada's Glaciers Hit 7000-Year Low

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071030092705.htm

Tree stumps at the feet of Western Canadian glaciers are providing new insights into the accelerated rates at which the rivers of ice have been shrinking due to human-aided global warming.

Geologist Johannes Koch of The College of Wooster found the deceptively fresh and intact tree stumps beside the retreating glaciers of Garibaldi Provincial Park, about 40 miles (60 km) north of Vancouver, British Columbia. What he wanted to know was how long ago the glaciers made their first forays into a long-lost forest to kill the trees and bury them under ice.

To find out, Koch radiocarbon-dated wood from the stumps to see how long they have been in cold storage. The result was a surprising 7000 years.
"The stumps were in very good condition sometimes with bark preserved," said Koch, who conducted the work as part of his doctoral thesis at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, British Columbia. Koch will present his results on Wednesday, 31 October 2007, at the Geological Society of America Annual Meeting in Denver.

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[backscatter712]

37. One data point is not a trend.

Don't think for a second that global warming has been solved.

[slackmaster]

38. "Glacier" - It's coming, slowly. Very slowly...

To a theater near you.

[tkmorris]

39. Some other posts by the same blogger

Climate Change Report Calls for Mandatory Meat Rationing
Michael Asher - September 30, 2008, 12:45 PM 169 Comments The Technology of Capitalism
Michael Asher - September 22, 2008, 12:26 AM 108 Comments UN IPCC: Shun Meat to Stop Climate Change
Michael Asher - September 9, 2008, 1:29 PM 102 Comments A Melting Arctic: Happy News for Mankind
Michael Asher - September 8, 2008, 7:59 AM 121 Comments Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage
Michael Asher - September 3, 2008, 2:44 PM 285 Comments Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century
Michael Asher - September 1, 2008, 8:11 AM 252 Comments How to Reduce Pollution by Drilling for Oil
Michael Asher - August 29, 2008, 11:05 AM 67 Comments Experimental Link Found Between Sun and Climate
Michael Asher - August 28, 2008, 12:10 PM 150 Comments Another Scientist Predicts Global Cooling
Michael Asher - August 20, 2008, 8:03 AM 103 Comments British Schoolboy Convicted of Downloading Material from Internet
Michael Asher - August 20, 2008, 7:35 AM 51 Comments Oxygen Depletion: The Next Great Environmental Scare
Michael Asher - August 18, 2008, 4:21 PM 21 Comments Study Finds Health Problems from Wind Farms
Michael Asher - August 14, 2008, 10:36 AM 189 Comments Domestic Terrorism Threatens Medical Progress
Michael Asher - August 12, 2008, 2:14 PM 49 Comments Global Warming's Latest Victim: Bottled Water
Michael Asher - July 31, 2008, 7:18 AM 127 Comments Geologists Find 90 Billion New Barrels of Oil in Arctic
Michael Asher - July 24, 2008, 11:58 AM 441 Comments Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate
Michael Asher - July 16, 2008, 9:35 PM 218 Comments Europe's Warming Attributed to Cleaner Air, Not Climate Change
Michael Asher - July 14, 2008, 4:26 PM 85 Comments So Much For Flooded Cities: Greenland Ice Loss Not Increasing
Michael Asher - July 4, 2008, 7:34 AM 58 Comments Australian Researchers Warn of Global Cooling
Michael Asher - July 1, 2008, 11:09 AM 67 Comments Despite Reality, Belief in Peak Oil Persists
Michael Asher - June 19, 2008, 10:21 AM 165 Comments Greenpeace Sued Over False Global Warming Claims
Michael Asher - June 12, 2008, 12:40 PM 59 Comments IEA: $45 Trillion Needed to Combat Global Warming
Michael Asher - June 9, 2008, 10:12 AM 96 Comments

I especially love "How to Reduce Pollution by Drilling for Oil". The guy is a far right wing knuckledragger of the highest order. Why post his crap here again?

[Nihil]

41. Hah!

> The guy is a far right wing knuckledragger of the highest order.

I thought "That's a little bit harsh" then re-read your post and realised
that you weren't referring to the OP ...

:evilgrin:

[leftofthedial]

some grow, some shrink

nature seeks to balance disruptions

global warming could indeed trigger an ice age

globally though, ice is still shrinking

[XemaSab]

42. Daily Tech is NOT a reliable source

n/t

[jobycom]

44. There are trends within trends, of course.

If there is a major global warming trend caused by CO2, there will still be trends within that larger trend, just as there are cold days in the summer and warm days in the winter.

Going back a millenium to the great medieval warming trend, there were still years that were colder than average, and years that were hotter, but overall the warming trend raised the climate's temperature overall.

Just as I argued against increased hurricane activity over the last few years proving global warming, I'll argue against short-term glacial activity as disproving it. The scientific models account for all this. Any argument over whether man-made GW is happening needs to concentrate on the science, not on anecdotes.

[SidDithers]

57. Doh...

Sid

[Alexander]

58. I see the number of tombstones in DU's graveyard is growing, too.

:rofl:

[madokie]

60. I Learn something everyday

I for some reason thought that if one took a dirt dive all evidence of their being would be gone from here. Not that it matters any.

[senseandsensibility]

61. A contributing member with over a thousand posts?

Wow...was it just this thread?

[WhollyHeretic]

62. He had several threads denying global warming this week. Then today he posted

a story from a right wing site saying that Hillary Clinton wasn't eligible to be SOS

[tom_paine]

63. It is something intrinsic to the Bushie-Nazi mentality. They LOVE lying and spying.

Let's say an inordinate love of those things.

And, though I have no idea about the OP and would not venture a guess, some Bushies have, yes, posted thousands of posts and then ripped their mask off.

Silverhair (I think that was his name, it was quite awhile ago) strikes me as one, but he never hid his Bushie asshollery very well. I always suspected him.

But he was one Bushie who REALLY loved lying and spying. He did post thousands of posts, and even though he wasn't very good at hiding his asshollery, he did fool a lot of people.

Anyway my point is that such things have happened before, though I mak no speculations about the OP, as I have not read enough of his posts (or any of them, before this one).

[minnesota_liberal]

64. ONE source reports that SOME glaciers have shown an UNKNOWN amount of growth over the past TWO YEARS

This totally debunks all that 'Global Warming' bullshit!

Time to buy that new Humvee!

:sarcasm:

[hootinholler]

65. AND HE"S GONE!

:greenbouncythingofjoy:

-Hoot