Today is the 118th anniversary of the Massacre at Wounded Knee.

[Greyhound]

Another proud moment in Amerikan history, lest we forget who we really are.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/knee.htm">Here's an eyewitness account from an interpreter.

[EFerrari]

1. This is a little OT, but Peter Matthiessen won the National Book Award

for fiction this year, and after what he was put through by the government and by the FBI in particular for writing about Leonard, it was great to see him get recognition.

[truedelphi]

17. Didn't know that. And it's great to hear abt it n/t

[pinqy]

2. What I find interesting...

...is that years ago in some Army training manual, the topic was the contribution of minorites and the 10th Cavalry, the Buffalo Soldiers (Black Cavalry Regiment), was lauded for their participation in the "Battle" of Wounded Knee.

[hfojvt]

3. that eyewitness account says that the Indians started it

even exposing their own women and children to their own gunfire. Were the white people supposed to support the Ghost Dance movement? If 300 white people had been killed would it have shown who the Indians really are? Does the Battle of Little Bighorn do that?

[asteroid2003QQ47]

8. Yeah, some assholes actually believe the Indians started it!

[Hubert Flottz]

4. Gnadenhutten Massacre

Our Mission is to Inform


The purpose of this web page is to identify and honor those innocent martyrs slain at what is known as one of the worst moments of American history.

http://gnadenhutten.tripod.com/

[hfojvt]

9. that story is much worse than the Wounded Knee

My paternal ancestors were Moravians for a time, but apparently not that pacifist since one was manufacturing rifles for the war of 1812. It's too bad they could not have formed mixed race settlements and joined the Moravians in North Carolina.

[Hubert Flottz]

5. Bump.

:kick:

[bdamomma]

6. we screwed the Indians too.

we have always been out for blood.

[hfojvt]

11. who the heck is 'we'?

I think the vast majority of Americans in the 1850s, 1840s, 1760s, 1660s were just working on their farms or as carpenters or blacksmiths and hunting game trying to feed and raise their families. They were not always out for blood although they did form militias to keep themselves safe from marauding Indians or criminal gangs and hired constables to keep themselves safe from violent or unscrupulous neighbors.

Some of it is typical of the times. For example, the army of Rottweil destroyed a neighboring town in the 1300s and the French steamrolled the city of Mannheim in the 1700s. Not just common to Western culture though. According to the movie "The Black Hat" there was a tribe of Canadian Indians who became Christians in the 1600s. Because they were Christians, and therefore pacifists, they were COMPLETELY wiped out by neighboring Indian tribes.

[Name removed]

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[asteroid2003QQ47]

20. 'Dr.' hfojvt, where might one obtain a copy of "The Black Hat"?

I'll file it next to that other great 'Christian' 'Pacifist' movie,
September Dawn.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

26. I dislike

the collective "we" descriptive. Personally I have been out for Mexican food and margaritas but never, ever blood.

[K Gardner]

7. "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" - my copy is worn and marked and well-read, should be

required reading in the public school system. Another shameful chapter in America's history.

[High Plains]

10. Our very own Palestinians.

[fla nocount]

18. You're reaching...reaching with the heart. Poetic that the...

anniversary coincides with the similar events in Gaza whose people are also considered somewhat lacking in worthiness for consideration. "We've starz on arz" as Dr. Seuss would say.

Fuck a "dead male as God" and those who would lend Him words that a deity would never voice. "They've no starz on tharz."

[Crabby Appleton]

13. Friends of Pine Ridge Reservation

Here is a good organization that you may wish to help, FoPPR

http://www.friendsofpineridgereservation.org/

http://friendsofpineridgereservation.org/projects/

browse their site and you can find some way to assist.

[Fireweed247]

15. good idea

They need coats and heaters. Because of a post by ColbertWatcher, I went to ebay to purchase a coat to have sent directly. The ebay seller I bought it from threw in three more coats, hats and gloves. Despite all the evil we see, there are lots of good people in our Country, and our way of fighting back against the atrocities of the Bush Administration should be to look out for each other and help our fellow citizens through it. We can't let the bastards win.


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As the weather is getting colder on the reservation, people struggle to keep warm and the hundreds of families served by the Cangleska, Inc. battered women's shelter are in dire need of new and/or gently used warm winter coats, jackets, snowsuits, hats, gloves, scarves, etc. and especially electric heaters. They can also use new blankets of any size. They need kids coats up to size 12 (and there are lots of babies and toddlers) and coats for women and teen girls of all sizes. They can also use coats in men's sizes and every item that gets donated will find a good home!

Please ship your tax-deductible donations of winter gear and electric heaters to:

Via UPS or FedEx:
Cangleska, Inc.
1 Cangleska Road
Kyle, SD 57752

Via US Mail:
Cangleska, Inc.
P.O. Box 638
Kyle, SD 57752

By the way, if you knit or crochet, this is a perfect time to donate your handcrafted scarves, hats, gloves, mittens, ear warmers, neck gaiters, etc. in any size from infants to adults and in any style and color and there is no time limit on this drive; the need will be there for many months.

[ColbertWatcher]

14. Kick and rec. Thank you for your post. n/t

[Greyhound]

16. In case you missed it. n/t

:kick:

[Mnemosyne]

19. And another. n/t

[asteroid2003QQ47]

21. "The Black Hat" movie hfojvt mentions upthread, does anyone...

here know where to get a copy, hfojvt seems to have gone missing?

[hfojvt]

24. Amazon, of course

but the movie is "Black Robe"

http://www.cabrillo.edu/~crsmith/blackrobe.html

[asteroid2003QQ47]

27. Of Course it remains a puzzlement as to why you initially chose to...

both provide the WRONG title AND neglect to post a link.

Also, you seem to imply that non-Christian Canadian Indian tribes wiping out their
Christian Indian neighbors was a BAD thing.
Furthermore, I would add that your linking Christianity with pacifism is preposterous!.

[dpbrown]

22. The war on the Dakota started in Minnesota

The Dakota Uprising of 1862 began when the United States welched on its obligations to pay the Dakota for giving up most of Minnesota and starving Dakota people attacked settlers to drive them out of traditional Dakota lands.

It ended when 38 Dakota men were hanged in Mankato, Minnesota on the day after Christmas in 1862.

This was the close of the first chapter in the war on the Dakota that ended with the massacre at Wounded Knee.

[Greyhound]

23. Thank you for the background. n/t

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

25. Sand Creek massacre of 1864

The traditional allies of the Lakota, the Arapaho and Cheyenne under Cheyenne Chief Black Kettle camped out in southeastern Colorado near Fort Lyon. The Indians had come to make peace with the whites and were told that they would not be attacked. The Cheyenne and Arapaho flew U.S. flags and white flags over their tipis. With a false sense of security, almost all of the Indian warriors were sent off to hunt, leaving mostly unarmed old men, women and children behind. On Nov. 29, 1864, 700 U.S. soldiers (Colorado militia that had returned from fighting in the Civil War) attacked the mostly unarmed camp and slaughtered every Indian they could find. The Indian dead have been estimated to range from 160 to 400. Only one U.S. Officer refused to attack while all of the others went on a killing spree, scalping the women and children and later displaying their scalps in glee at Denver's Apollo Theater and at taverns in the area.

There were many other massacres of Native Americans, including the Battle of Horseshoe Bend, where Andrew Jackson led a campaign to exterminate the Creek Indians in the southeastern United States and to "sanitize" Alabama for white expansion. At Horseshoe Bend, the camp of Chief Menawa was surrounded and attacked and about 900 men, women, and children were massacred, some set on fire alive. It was a killing field. Jackson instituted a system to tally the Indian dead by having his men cut the noses off the corpses. His men also stripped the skin from the dead Indians and used it to make bridles for their horses and belts for their pants. Jackson was promoted to the rank of Major General and became a national hero, along with Sam Houston (future Governor of Texas) who led the main charge. Andrew Jackson's campaign into Spanish Florida to recapture hundreds of runaway slaves called Black Seminoles (black slaves who sought refuge with the Seminole tribes and became intregated with them into Indian culture), called the First Seminole War is of note.

[Kaleva]

28. I'm not responsible

for what others did years before my great grandparents immigrated to this nation nor do I feel any ill will against the Russians who seem to have made a sport of looting and burning to the ground my ancestors' village.