Bolton: ‘In 100 years people aren’t going to remember Guantánamo or Abu Ghraib.’

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Bolton: ‘In 100 years people aren’t going to remember Guantánamo or Abu Ghraib.’»

With President Bush’s time in office rapidly coming to an end, his loyal supporters are working overtime to spin his legacy positively. In an interview with the Telegraph, Bush’s former UN ambassador, John Bolton, claims that “in 100 years,” people won’t remember two of the biggest stains on Bush’s record, Guantánamo Bay and Abu Ghraib:

“In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, he was strong and decisive and that was critical for both the country and for the Western world,” believes John Bolton. “In 100 years people aren’t going to remember Guantánamo or Abu Ghraib, they’re going to remember 9/11 and Bush’s reaction to it.”...http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/29/bolton-guantanamo-ghraib/
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Another Bolton Bulletin from irreality.

[saltpoint]

1. Bolton is a man very short on compassion. History is a realm very long on

memory.

[bdamomma]

2. Bolton should be arrested too.

[Phred42]

8. Can you arrest a cartoon figure?

[Possumpoint]

3. That's Funny

I remember Andersonville very well and that was over a hundred years ago.

[Solly Mack]

4. That's what they're hoping for

and counting on....in 100 years people to view the US government's torture policy as just a thing of the long ago past and golly, can't we just let the past be the past and gee, since there's nothing we can do about it now (not that anything was done about it then either)..stop me when this sounds familiar...

and - Bush's "reaction" to "911" was to tell lies, trump up evidence, and promote fear in order to invade a country that had absolutely nothing to do with "911"..as well as to torture and detain its people (and that's not all he did)

[Uben]

5. “In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, he was strong and decisive "

What? Somebody give me a fuckin shoe!

[Flubadubya]

43. You betcha... real STRONG and DECISIVE!

NOT!

[billyoc]

6. We haven't forgotten Boer War atrocities, Bolton, you dick.

And we won't forget you.

[RaleighNCDUer]

28. Au contraire -

in a hundred years, only a very few dedicated historians will know who Bolton was. He will be well-deservedly forgotten.

He's already just a footnote, and he's still alive and spouting nonsense.

[csziggy]

7. And we don't remember Wounded Knee, My Lai, Auschwitz

Maybe, well obviously, the Neo-Cons do know know or remember history but most intelligent people learn and remember it. Then they try to use that knowledge to prevent making the same mistakes. Just because the idiots in charge came from the bottoms of their classes and partied rather than learn, doesn't mean the rest of the world did not.

I HOPE in 100 years the mistakes made by this mis-administration are taught as cautionary tales on how not to run a country.

[Beausoleil]

9. We remember Wounded Knee pretty well.

In 100 years nobody will remember John Bolton.

[underpants]

10. Oh yes we are because WE are going to keep reminding people of them

Bolton you are a moron

[saltpoint]

11. Bolton's claim is a taunt. He's taunting people who want global-scale

dignity for others, who want what the United Nations (at its best) represents.

It had been his mission to dissemble the United Nations. He failed.

Now he taunts those who prevailed in that debate with examples of the failure of his former boss, diminishing those who struggle for global community by diminishing History's role in holding those examples as landmarks.

He's a very unbalanced, bitter soul, IMO.

[Beausoleil]

12. Typical of the neocon "thought" process

They don't learn from history and assume "the people" won't either. Total intellectual bankruptcy.

[MisterP]

49. even better: they construct an alternate history

via Tyndale, Regnery, and Sentinel. Here, luminaries like Mona Charen, Milton Friedman, Robert Heinlein, Ann Coulter, Geoff Shepard, Jonah Goldberg, Dershowitz, Dick Morris construct an alternate reality where ever-Stalinist Moscow pulls the strings of the nuclear disarmament movement, the Watergate, Winter Soldier, and Iran-Contra investigations were the true crimes, noble capitalists battle near-genocidal Sandinistas or Ho-ists, and lefties and lib'ruls will turn the country over to the Soviets or the Muslims or the Cryonians, to be resisted only by heroic Unabomber types and vigilantes

[peekaloo]

13. another turd circling the bowl which in Bu$hCo Land is equivalent to a victory lap.

amazing the amount of foresight these people possess!

*do I really need a sarcasm thingie?*

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. And at the rate we're going, by then the US will be 50 independent countries.

[LeftHander]

15. In three years they will have forgotten him.

I forgot about the jackass media whore already.....

[Fovea]

16. Just like no one remembers

Andersonville Prison, Jessie James, World War One, the spanish flu, Orville and Wilbur Wright, the Spanish American War,
the Boxer Rebellion, yellow fever, etc.

I mean, who remembers John Wilkes Booth?

[Mari333]

17. we remember the holocaust we remember the trail of tears

we remember apartheid in africa and we will remember abu ghraib and torture at guantanamo. we will remember it well as one of the worst times in american history.

[opihimoimoi]

18. We gonna get all the shit Bush/Crew did on permament surfaces that last 100 000 000 years

Ceramic newspapers will do the trick...

One of the few things man can do that will last a long time...is ceramics...high fire stuffs...like in stoneware/porcelain...either printed with underglaze then sprayed with clear glaze...or ...indented letters/text/pictures...the pieces will not melt,disolve, get old...

Unless hit with a hammer...they will last a very long time..

There will be a project to protect our history and knowledge for the Future...like in a time capsule....Boltons Name will be there for all to see that he was part of the anus crew...and Bush was the Anus...

in pictures too no less.....fuck him

[ThomWV]

19. To this day many people remember "Andersonville" and so there is precident for good memory

He's full of shit.

[liberal N proud]

20. This from a criminal who will be forgotten in 20 years.

[sarge43]

21. You could open wine bottles with that corkscrew logic.

If people forget an atrocity, then it's acceptable, morally neutral?

Sums the Bush et al mind set perfectly.

[shadowknows69]

22. Yeah because 60+ years out we've forgotten that Holocaust thing

Nobody remembers the crusades, or the inquisition, or the Tuskeege experiments, or slavery, or the slaughter of Native Americans or.......

[dysfunctional press]

23. just like nobody in france remembers anything at all about the bastille.

:eyes:

[indepat]

24. Should this Republic last another thousand years, people will still be shaking their

heads in disbelief that the Congress, the courts, the MSM, and we the people stood by and let one man rip asunder our Constitution, our laws, and the rule of law; adopt a doctrine of pre-emptive wars of choice; and embrace torture as standard procedure. :P

[MurrayDelph]

25. He's only correct to a degree

One hundred years from now, I doubt very strongly that anyone will remember Gitmo or Abu Ghraib first-hand,
but I think it will always be remembered as examples of when the United States stopped being the America worthy of respect.

[TexasObserver]

26. In 100 years, no one will remember the Bataan Death March.

Bolton is an idiot who hasn't been right about anything yet.

[spanone]

27. history will remember guantanamo AND bolton ....not kindly

[all.of.me]

29. And we don't talk about the Civil War anymore, either. Sheesh...... nt

[ensho]

30. murder of a family member is never forgotten. family history is passed on

Bolton is just wishing

[Gwendolyn]

31. I think he's right about the not remembering, or maybe caring is a better word.

That Bush acted in a strong, conscientious way, not so much.

It seems to be a fact that there are 14-year-olds out there who've never heard of the Holocaust. My Lai, probably not many kids understand what went on there either, and it certainly doesn't affect them in any way. And it hasn't even been 100 years yet.

The Algeria fracas with the French featured water boarding as the popular means of intel extraction. It was a remarkably similar occupation to the Iraqi/US disaster. Does anyone know this, or care?

We're getting stupider by the minute as it is. 100 years from now, perhaps education will be a luxury for the wealthy only. Who knows. Perhaps global warming will escalate to the point where everyone's huddled up in Canada, or maybe a north american alliance will erode peoples' sense of history since it'll all be smooshed together with that of two other countries. A lot can happen in 100 years.

[Harry Monroe]

48. Ever seen "Idiocracy"??

Hilarious, stupid and a cautionary tale all rolled into one

[gratuitous]

32. Translation of Bolton-speak

"You can't say anything about us or judge us for a hundred years! Nanny, nanny, boo-boo, great to be me, sucks to be you!"

[ProfessorGAC]

33. In A Hundred Years, People Will Remember That Bush. . .

. . .did the whole thing wrong! They can try to polish this rock all they want, but history seldom looks back favorably on those who were reviled in their day.

Truman is a very rare exception, and if the media weren't all hard core republican, with no internet to counter, his approval ratings wouldn't have been that low.

Somewhere i read that even Gallup willfully decided to only poll by telephone and to certain area codes, knowing full well, they were polling wealthy, and decidedly republican people. So, Truman wasn't vindicated by history, because he was a lot more popular than we are led to believe by the intentionally distorted polls.

History will not absolve this administration over bombing and occupying the wrong damn country.
GAC

[Fumesucker]

34. We might not remember but you can be damn sure the Arabs will..

The Sunni-Shia divide is what, 1400 years old now I think?

The Arabs talk about it like it was yesterday.

[Javaman]

35. So they are banking on the "predetermined obsolesce" theorem. aka everyone will be dead by then that...

were involved or had knowledge or lived through it.

sadly, they maybe right. President Grant was a great general but an awful President. what majority of people know that today? Who really knows about the Haymarket riots?

My only hope is that the lies of today are still well documented 100 years from know so moron* and his* room full of dopes don't get a free pass.

but honestly, if you asked the average person of 30 years old, what they thought of President Hoover, they might not give you the answer you are expecting.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

36. In a hundred years, people won't remember ...

Andersonville
Auschwitz
The Maine (Alleged)
The Alamo
Wounded Knee
The Armenian Genocide
The Slaughter of the Innocents (Alleged)
The Crusades
The Inquisition

Somehow, I think we'll remember Guantanimo.

Abu Graib, who knows? Sorta small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.

:hi:

[Beausoleil]

50. I mentioned Wounded Knee upthread

and didn't even realize this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4729963&mesg_id=4729963

118 years ago today

[gulliver]

37. Yeah, but what about the people now?

Is that Bush's whole excuse? "People" 100 years from now aren't going to "remember?" What a master stroke of evil that is. He can't say "historians" will not "know," because they will. But finally, Bush and the Republicans have just expressed their hidden contempt for the people living now. Their lives don't matter; their opinions are meaningless. The stain on America can just be hidden under a rug for 100 years.

Historians 100 years from now will remember a turning point for America came in 2008. And Bush and his classic Republican ill-motivated bungling will be the nadir.

In 100 years, people will call a major blunder a "Bushian" failure. Bush will be the political lexicon's definition of failure.

[Vogon_Glory]

38. Bolton Likely The First Bushie To Find Himself In The hague

It strikes me that John Bolton is likely to be the first Bushie to find himself in the Hague. He strikes me as being arrogant enough not to mind where he travels after January 20th and will likely be one of the first ones to find himself under arrest.

[LynnTheDem]

39. I wouldn't bet on that, bolton. War crimes remain in history forever.

As do war criminals.

[baby_mouse]

40. He's fucking tripping.

It's very likely the ONLY thing anyone will remember about Bush.

[Cleita]

41. Like no one remembers Hitler. Duh!

Okay that was seventy years ago, but I'm sure everyone will still be remembering him and his atrocities thirty years from now.

[acmavm]

42. Too bad the stupid little man is so unfamiliar with history. Funny

what gets remembered and what doesn't. The little criminal is just hoping, that's all.

[baldguy]

44. And this guy was a diplomat?

People in Turkey, Syria & Lebanon still remember the Crusades from 1000 yrs ago. They'll remember that America murdered a million of their fellow Muslims for a long time.

[JackRiddler]

45. In 100 years, the dominant idea will be that 9/11 was an inside job.

[Avalux]

46. Yes, everything changed on 9/11; the US Constitution became irrelevant.

A war of agression, holding prisoners without recourse, torture, spying on citizens - all OK in the name of 9/11.

I won't be around to read the history books in 100 years, but I doubt they'll reflect on Bush in a positive light. Hopefully, my great great great grandchildren will learn he was thrown in jail for war crimes.

[lame54]

47. I hope they remember Bush's reaction to 9/11...

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