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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 01:41 PM
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What's with Obama's determination to give torture and rendition supporter John Brennan a post?
01/09/2009

John O. Brennan, a veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency, has been asked to serve as President-elect Barack Obama's top adviser on terrorism, a position not subject to Senate confirmation. Brennan was viewed as an early favorite to lead the CIA but withdrew over fears his past support of certain interrogation techniques would cripple his confirmation prospects.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/08/AR2009010804108.html?hpid=topnews


from Glen Greenwald at Salon: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/11/16/brennan/

John Brennan and Bush's interrogation/detention policies

Sunday Nov. 16, 2008

. . . there is Brennan's December 5, 2005 appearance on The News Hour with Jim Lehrer, in which he vehemently defended the Bush administration's use of rendition -- one of the key tools to subject detainees to torture:

JOHN BRENNAN: I think over the past decade it has picked up some speed because of the nature of the terrorist threat right now but essentially it's a practice the United States and other countries have used to transport suspected terrorists from a country, usually where they're captured to another country, either their country of origin or a country where they can be questioned, detained or brought to justice. . . .

MARGARET WARNER: So was Secretary Rice correct today when she called it a vital tool in combating terrorism?

JOHN BRENNAN: I think it's an absolutely vital tool. I have been intimately familiar now over the past decade with the cases of rendition that the U.S. Government has been involved in. And I can say without a doubt that it has been very successful as far as producing intelligence that has saved lives.

MARGARET WARNER: So is it -- are you saying both in two ways -- both in getting terrorists off the streets and also in the interrogation?

JOHN BRENNAN: Yes. The rendition is the practice or the process of rendering somebody from one place to another place. It is moving them and the U.S. Government will frequently facilitate that movement from one country to another. . . .



In November, 2007, Brennan -- in an interview with CBS News' Harry Smith -- issued a ringing endorsement for so-called "enhanced interrogation tactics" short of waterboarding:

SMITH: You know, this all becomes such a giant issue because the president has gone on record so many times saying the United States does not torture. If we acknowledge that this kind of activity goes on, you know, what does that mean, exactly, I guess?

Mr. BRENNAN: Well, the CIA has acknowledged that it has detained about 100 terrorists since 9/11, and about a third of them have been subjected to what the CIA refers to as enhanced interrogation tactics, and only a small proportion of those have in fact been subjected to the most serious types of enhanced procedures.

SMITH: Right. And you say some of this has born fruit.

Mr. BRENNAN: There have been a lot of information that has come out from these interrogation procedures that the agency has in fact used against the real hard-core terrorists. It has saved lives. And let's not forget, these are hardened terrorists who have been responsible for 9/11, who have shown no remorse at all for the deaths of 3,000 innocents.

In the same interview, Brennan even defended -- or at least justified -- Michael Mukasey's refusal to say whether waterboarding was "torture," on the ground that by doing so, Mukasey would be admitting that the President broke the law (as though that is a valid reason for a prospective Attorney General to refuse to opine on a legal matter):

But I think Judge Mukasey is in a very difficult position right now as the attorney general nominee, to be asked whether or not this is torture. And if torture, then, is unconstitutional or illegal, they're asking whether or not waterboarding is illegal and whether or not the individuals, which includes the president and others--if it was used, who authorized and actually used this type of procedure may be subject to some type of judicial action.

And in July, 2008, NPR attributed Obama's reversal on FISA and telecom immunity to the fact that he was relying on the advice of Brennan, an emphatic supporter of those policies . . .

read Glen Greenwald's complete compilation: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/11/16/brennan/
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 01:43 PM
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1. Can't wait to read DU about how wonderful this choice is!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 01:45 PM
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2. excited?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 01:46 PM
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3. I'm fluffing up my pom-poms right now! :)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:33 PM
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16. You got me laughing!!!
Fluffing your pom-pomps indeed.....

:rofl:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:58 PM
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19. I fluffed up a pair for you too. :)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:33 PM
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21. Thank you so much.
It brings me back to my high school days.

:pals:
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 01:49 PM
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5. Reaching out to torturers is good because:
Because if we don't talk to them, we can't work with them? Because Obama said he's the president of all Americans? :sarcasm:


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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 01:51 PM
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7. LOL
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 01:49 PM
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4. This guy is bad news. War crimes light though not so light.
Just my thoughts.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:07 PM
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12. maybe
he's trying to not wind up like Kennedy.

Some folks don't like presidents who aren't cooperative.

right right, now flame me. I got my :tinfoilhat:
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:28 PM
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14. I thought he might be taking that chance with his choice for CIA director
On the other hand, most of his appointments seem designed to not upset the status quo so things should be fine.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:29 PM
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15. Panetta is starting to look like window dressing.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:30 PM
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20. this philosophy of 'balance' is right out of some Sunday school book
I don't get it, especially in areas of defense and intelligence, given all that's been perpetrated under Bush.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 01:49 PM
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6. But Obama's picking this guy for Director of National Intelligence:
I'm pretty sure he will reign over all other intelligence.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x257459





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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 01:52 PM
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8. should be some lively morning security briefings
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 01:58 PM
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9. He sounds great....
:sarcasm:



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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:04 PM
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10. Is this really the ONLY guy available for such a post??
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:06 PM
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11. just watched a clip of that interview on Democracy Now
that guy is very bad news!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:10 PM
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13. here's another one
Q&A: JOHN BRENNAN
The Counterterror Campaign

Friday, March 7, 2008

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/080307nj1.htm
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:37 PM
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17. WOO-HOO!! More Change We Can Believe In!!
I'm so psyched!!
:crazy:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:35 PM
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22. Well, it's not his fault if some were foolish enough to believe
that mantra of "hope" and "change".

:shrug:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 02:39 PM
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18. Maybe he thinks he will do a good job
enacting Obama's policies.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 04:58 PM
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23. John Brennan Is Set to Be Really Powerful
from The Washington Independent: http://washingtonindependent.com/24727/john-brennan-is-set-to-be-really-powerful


By Spencer Ackerman 1/9/09 2:47 PM

Everyone in the blogosphere — Glenn, I’m looking in your direction — who may have thought that John Brennan was kneecapped just because he didn’t become CIA director should check out what President-elect Barack Obama had to say about Brennan during the Blair/Panetta rollout:

"I’m pleased to announce that John Brennan – a close advisor, CIA veteran and former leader of the National Counter-Terrorism Center – will be my Homeland Security Advisor and Deputy National Security Advisor for Counterterrorism, serving with the rank of Assistant to the President. John has the experience, vision and integrity to advance America’s security."

The point isn’t just that Obama hugged Brennan. (”A close advisor… experience, vision and integrity.”) Assistant to the President” is the highest rank that any White House staffer can hold. Anyone with that rank has the right to walk into the Oval Office and get a sit-down with the president. At the beginning of the Bush administration, Dick Cheney fought to ensure that Scooter Libby held that rank.

Now, what’ll that mean? At a minimum, it’ll mean that when Obama is unsure of something he’s hearing from CIA, or from Dennis Blair as Director of National Intelligence, he’ll turn to Brennan for a second or third opinion. It’s way too early to know — but that won’t stop me from wondering — if Brennan at the White House and Deputy CIA Director Steve Kappes might be the actual centers of power for the intelligence community.
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