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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:19 PM
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" . . the raging anti-War crowd . . " Just when I was starting to look at Hillary
Edited on Fri Mar-23-07 07:21 PM by patrice
a little differently, because so many people were piling-on, which I don't like.

Bill comes along and puts me in my place.

I don't rage.

But I have learned that when people do rage, more often then not, there's a problem, something like they are not listened to or they are being discounted. I think the holy "Big Dog" pretty much proved to me that I am right in this understanding.

P.S. This was Keith Olberman's lead story tonight about a national conference call regarding HC's campaign in which BD defended her IWR vote from the ". . . the raging anti-War crowd."
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:21 PM
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1. Ok. Wait. Back up. Who said what? Tell me he didn't call us the r-a-w crowd.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:23 PM
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2. K.O. had someone I can't remember the name but he was
associated with "Fly on the Wall" and he was on that call, so he was quoting what Bill said.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:27 PM
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3. Here's what he said.
Edited on Fri Mar-23-07 07:27 PM by Forkboy
In a conference call with major donors yesterday, former President Bill Clinton challenged the netroots for backing Barack Obama as an anti-war candidate, according to The Hill newspaper. While avoiding any direct criticism of Obama's statements, President Clinton said it was "ludicrous" to treat "Hillary and Obama's positions on the war as polar opposites." Then he tried to fact-check the netroots:

"This dichotomy that's been set up to allow Obama to become the raging hero of the anti-war crowd on the Internet is just factually inaccurate."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-melber/bill-clinton-challenges-t_b_44099.html

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:34 PM
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5. Thank You for the correction.
Does Obama rage?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:36 PM
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6. Well,not for me...but I bet he does for some.
:)
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:40 PM
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8. There is a style of speaking that I have heard around the Black Community
that can be mistaken for rage. I think of it as passionate and I like it.
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:34 PM
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4. Actually what he said
According to Countdowns quote was "the raging hero of the anti-war crowd" which more directly insults Obama than the "antiwar crowd"
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:38 PM
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7. Fuck the CLinton's
Edited on Fri Mar-23-07 07:39 PM by BayCityProgressive
Bill is just mad that triangulating away the lives of hundreds of thousands of people isn't going to help his fascist wife get elected. Cry about it prick.
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:41 PM
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9. He sure as hell just made it a lot harder for me to consider supporting her
Unless she were to immeadiately disavow what he just said.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:44 PM
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10. Damn,if that's what you left in what did you edit?
:evilgrin:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:47 PM
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13. Do you think he advised her on her IWR vote? n/t
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 11:45 PM
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21. You just called Hillary a fascist?
Wow! That's a little nutty don't ya think?
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:45 PM
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11. Literally, we have had Bush's or Clinton's in power or next to -
since 1980. Now I am 47 years, I remember when it was different. Wonder how many do now?

I am so sick of them. If it was Bill running I could cut some slack. But it is not.

I want Gore - I really do - but I have no issue with either Obama or Edwards either.

They have the right last name - you know - not Bush or Clinton.

I am looking for something - probably shouldn't post anyway.

Joe



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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:50 PM
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14. I'm sorry, but I have to ask
Why would you cut Bill some slack but not Hillary?
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:55 PM
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15. Cause he proved himself to be a pretty good president.
She did not.

You think they are interchangable?? I don't.

Joe
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 08:07 PM
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18. that pretty much says it all for me right there
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 07:46 PM
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12. Right.
I campaigned for Bill Clinton in '92 and '96. I have supported Hillary in her NYS Senate campaigns. But I am not comfortable with her position on Iraq. I prefer Senator Obama's position on Iraq, and that of several other democrats, as well.

I do not "rage." But I do invest time and money in the primaries.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 08:02 PM
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16. Obama, Clinton-- both cut from the same cloth. Both anointed by the MSM
Both sell out to AIPAC
Both are scared of the voters
Both underestimate the Democratic base
Both appear scared of the Republican noise machine
Both base their opinions for political reasons
Both moves to the Center

Both are presumptive front runners, created a la Frankenstein's monster, out of spare parts left over from the DLC

Both make me gag.

Oh-- BTW-- for all the "If get the nomination will you vote for them?" folks-- don't bother. It's a tiresome schtick. Get a new script at least.

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 08:06 PM
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17. Rage? They haven't seen rage yet
Give this clusterfuck another 3 years and there'll be the 60's revolution all over again. They wanna see rage? They'll get rage. I lived through that era. The government was literally on the brink of being toppled.

Elitist fuckers.

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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 08:20 PM
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19. Clinton is fucking clueless.......he's a nice guy, but he should have inhaled..
IMO

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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 11:41 PM
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20. If the Democrats and Republicans
continue waging war and sending our jobs overseas..there may be a revolution and Shillary won't have to worry about a Presidential OR senate run!
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 11:50 PM
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22. This thread really ought to be deleted.
It's incredibly misleading and 95% of the people who read the headline will automatically believe that Bill Clinton said what the OP said he did without reading further down and seeing the real quote.

No offense to the OP. It's just that apparently the edit time has expired and we're left with this thread headlined with an incorrect quote that we'll soon see parroted all over this place being used as more ammo against Hillary.
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