4 embryos implanted - "hyperstimulated", they multiplied to 8

[Control-Z]

I don't know if this is factual or more speculation. I have a feeling we'll never know the entire truth.

'Only 4 embryos were implanted, but because her system was "hyperstimulated" they multiplied, creating the octuplets. Angela Suleman is caring for the elder children while Nadya and the babies recover, but insists she will no longer be around to help when Nadya is released. Many professionals in the medical and psychological fields fear Nadya may find it unexpectedly difficult to cope with eight babies and her 6 older children at once, although she does have some training in the area; "Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling."'

more:

http://laist.com/2009/02/01/octuplet_mom_single_obsessed_with_h.php

Oh, and I'm sorry about making yet another octopost, but it seemed to be new information.

[Muttocracy]

that would mean four fraternal sets of identical twins, right? nt

[Control-Z]

2. As far as I know,

that is what is means. When the photographs come out it will be obvious if that is the case, I would think. It seems that the hospital would have announced 4 sets of identical twins, but who knows.

[Muttocracy]

7. if there are 5 boys and 3 girls, then that will rule it out! nt

[LisaL]

11. Well, she had six boys and two girls.

[LisaL]

4. Yes, if there were 4 embryos, and they all split, she should have

4 sets of identical twins.

[RB TexLa]

1. I hope we never know the truth, because it's none of our business.

[madeline_con]

14. I'll be paying taxes to feed them, so I have a right to know.

:popcorn:

[RB TexLa]

21. So anytime you meet someone receiving government aid you let them know you have a right to their

reproductive information?

[madeline_con]

22. Yes. Every time. I ask them personal questions about

their offspring and sexual habits.

Got a rise out of you, huh? :rofl:

[RB TexLa]

23. No rise, nothing you can do about it if that is what kind of human being you are.

[KittyWampus]

26. apparently you are the kind of person that doesn't care if medical doctors perform unethical

and unacceptable practices on your fellow human beings.

[RB TexLa]

32. Your ethical concerns mean nothing, it's between her and her doctor.

Whenever you think to yourself that something happening in someone else's uterus is your business just remind yourself it's not and never will be.

[Control-Z]

37. I think most of us have

concerns about any doctor acting unethically. This feels similar to hearing about a doctor feeling up his patient. We should turn out back on that? I am as pro-choice as it gets, but I think the doctor's role (if there was one involved) is a legitimate concern.

[NYC_SKP]

27. No. Everyone has a right to full privacy & dozens of babies forever & all at public expense. Duh.

I thought that was a well-established progressive principal.

Where ya been?

:shrug:

[MiniMe]

33. Since she wants a million plus dollars to tell her story, it becomes everybody's business

Whether you want it or not.

[moc]

3. That's dubious to say the least. Embryos don't spontaneous split because

the mom is "hyperstimulated". She's stimulated during the phase of the cycle prior to egg retrieval, not after retrieval or after transfer. If she was haveing a frozen embryo transfer, she wasn't stimulated at all.

Embryos can be transferred at different stages of maturation. If they are transferred later, when they are considered blastocysts. Blastocyst transfers are known to have a higher rate of identical twinning. However, if a blastocyst transfer is planned, the doctor will not transfer more than 2 because of the higher risk of identical twinning.

[Control-Z]

5. I guess in this case

it might depend on the doctor? It is rather apparent he/she did something out of the ordinary.

[moc]

6. It's clear the doctor acted outside the standard of practice to say the least.

Malpractice would probably be a better description.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

9. Thank you for the informed insight.

Because I have seen more bullshit slung about this over than last few days than a John Deere Manure Spreader with a Keith Black Supercharged Hemi on Nitromethane.

And no, I do not believe the above article is the final revelation regarding this affair. Not by a long shot.

[JerseygirlCT]

19. Yes - that's what I thought as well

That hyperstimulation is about getting the eggs to be ready - not about what happens after they're fertilized.

All very strange.

[Warren DeMontague]

8. It's that damn stimulus package.

Ewww!

[BlooInBloo]

10. I hyperstimulated a girl once... She never multiplied. Dammit.

:P

[AwakeAtLast]

12. Ooh! I get to use this!

:spank:



:rofl:


:spank:

[JerseygirlCT]

20. You just thought you did. She was faking it! ;) nt

[BlooInBloo]

28. Pfft. I could *never* be fooled!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[kestrel91316]

13. I'm calling BS on all FOUR embryos splitting. IIRC that's a rare event,

and for all 4 to do it, sorry. I ain't buying it. And 4 is still outside ethics guidelines, particularly where there exists a possibility of this splitting thing.

[Control-Z]

17. I'm just reading an article

about a woman who lost all 8 of her babies 12 years ago.

'But Mandy, unmarried at the time and in what she later went on to confess was a destructive relationship with the octuplets' father, had played rather fast and loose with fertility enhancing medication.

The drugs had initially been prescribed to her by a private hospital in Birmingham to treat her polycystic ovaries, a condition that can cause infertility.

But after a series of miscarriages, Mandy continued to take the drugs without proper medical supervision- a decision that seems perilously close to recklessness.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1131196/Every-day-I-die-times-A-haunting-interview-Mandy-Allwood-multiple-birth-ended-tragedy.html

There have been so many stories at this point, it's hard to guess which sounds the most likely.

[NashVegas]

15. Octopussy Was Hyper-Stimulated, You Say?

Remember the "she's getting paid for this?" crap?

Sounds like someone's idea of a fun science project.

[SoCalDem]

25. Or an unattended batch of hormones at work.. and a turkey baster

maybe she had a D.I.Y. thing going on...

[Barack_America]

16. Nobody knows what causes identical twinning.

As far as science is concerned, it is a random, rare event. So this "hyperstimulated" BS is just that.

Hyperstimulated ovaries could result in the release of more eggs and thus an increase in fraternal twins, but not identical twins.

[rurallib]

18. She had 6 kids and then had 4 implanted? WTF!!!

Implanted with a full family already? There is a doctor someplace who should lose a license.

[SoCalDem]

24. If they DIVIDED, they would be 4 identical sets of twins

easy to prove with DNA..This whole "story" stinks, and is getting stinkier by the second..

[LisaL]

29. I find it very hard to believe that all four embryos would divide.

This whole story is just so strange. And who is the donor (father) of these babies? It's been reported the woman was married for a time. Yet apparently the ex-husband is not the father.
All of it is just weird.

[Control-Z]

30. I read that the donor

was an acquaintance - same one for all her children - but that he had asked her, before implanting the octs, not to use any more of the remaining fertilized eggs, as he was getting married. I really hope it's not true.

[LisaL]

31. Yea, I've read the same thing, but who knows where that came from,

and what the truth actually is.
The name on the birth certificates for some of the children is supposedly David Solomon, and who knows if that is the real or made up name.

[Control-Z]

35. If David Solomon is the donor

I feel very sorry for him.

[LisaL]

39. The name doesn't exactly sound authentic. But who the hell knows?

[canetoad]

34. Sounds to me like

someone is working up to denial of implanting 8 embryos. Four only makes it half as bad.

[Kat45]

36. When the heck did she have the time to study and get that degree?

With 6 kids and then the IVF treatments?

[LisaL]

38. My guess is grandma has been helping her to raise those kids.

She is living with mom and pop after all.