Taking a break

[MichaelHarris]

not from DU but from studying Constitutional Law. I take this break to post a small rant, a rant that may not be too popular with some. I had stopped watching pro sports a number of years ago, I discovered college football and Woman's Basketball. Tonight I decided to put on the game and maybe catch a funny commercial or two, not that many Americans can buy the stuff they are selling. I kept hearing the "Kurt Warner" story, the guy who rose from stock boy to Superbowl quarterback. Who is this superhero I thought, this Cinderella boy? I did some Google.

"Both Kurt and his wife are active born-again Christians. On October 24, 2006, he was featured in a political advertisement opposing a bill supporting embryonic stem cell research in Missouri. The advertisement was in response to a pro-embryonic research ad featuring Michael J. Fox. He appeared in the advertisement with James Caviezel, Patricia Heaton, Jeff Suppan, and Mike Sweeney. The advertisement aired during Game 4 of the 2006 World Series."

How Christian is it to speak out against something that can save lives? How Christian is it to to do a commercial opposing Michael Fox and all of the human beings around the world that can use some science? How against stem cell research would the Warner's be if such a disease or injury struck close to home? Would they be born again, again?

I love supporting the underdog. Not tonight. I know he is one man, a member of a team but I cannot hope for any good will towards him. My team wants what is best for the people of the world, my team believes science can save lives. Warner and his wife are not on my team.

End rant. Now about those Lady Cougs? We won!!!!!!! One of my shots from Saturday's game:


Michael Harris

Support women in sports, they rock!

[vadawg]

1. So i guess we can safely say that you decide if someones christian or not

What else are you final arbiter on, i guess that all of us christians should just wait until you print the checklist before we head of to chapel this week.

[MichaelHarris]

3. not at all

that assumption thing fucked you all up. I'm also a Christian. Not one of those anti-science Christians, I'm actually one of the ones who like to see lives saved, you?

[vadawg]

5. I am one of those other christians from you, i am deeply uncomfortable with stem cell

So i guess that must mean i am anti science if i believe that there must be a moral component to what science does.

[MichaelHarris]

8. naww

just that you're OK with people suffering when there may be a cure. You have to live with that, not me.

[vadawg]

10. I guess your ok then with science being given a free reign as long as they cure stuff.

[lonestarnot]

17. What's wrong with curing stuff?

[vadawg]

I guess it depends what the methods are for finding the cures dosent it

i just stated that im personally uncomfortable with the ramifications of unbridled stem cell research, just as some are against animal experimentation.

[lonestarnot]

24. ramifications of unbridled stem cell research in what respect Cherlie?

[vadawg]

28. I guess i dont trust scientists to the extent that you do.

I believe that people should be able to question science, and if they use their moral or religious views then thats fine, same as people should be able to question religion using science.

[lonestarnot]

35. Still no discussion of ramifications of unbridled research?

Just finger pointing, no questions of science, just allegations of something foreboding. So nothing really, you "got" nothing.

[vadawg]

36. what do you want a thesis on distrust of unbridled science

you asked me why i dont trust scientists without there being the ability to question them, simply put when you have had scientists experiment on family members in the past you tend to not trust their motives as pure. Not sure what else i can say as im not trying to convince you, just giving a different viewpoint and hopefully a window into why others may have misgivings.

[lonestarnot]

40. We are not talking about human experiments, at least I wasn't. Snort

:rofl: You need to clean your window :P

[vadawg]

41. see mate thats the difference i mean

a lot of people see embryos as human, no matter how much you disagree with that its something you have to understand in the context of their misgivings. clean my windo are you kidding then the zombie hordes will see me.

[tekisui]

43. !

HAHAHAHA!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


....wait. You're serious?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[lonestarnot]

15. Hoy boy.

:eyes:

[Skittles]

26. that guy is just a fucking jerk

sanctimonious piece of SHIT

[vadawg]

29. wow cant believe how emotional you are over someone you have never met

will never meet, and like i would never want to meet.

[MichaelHarris]

30. you at the

right website? I've never alerted on anyone but I think you missed a turn.

[Name removed]

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[vadawg]

33. once again you are beig the arbiter of what should be, unbelievable

[MichaelHarris]

42. Know what sucks?

Our posts, yours and mine get deleted and this boob still spews veiled hatred.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. "So i guess that must mean i am anti science"

Pretty much, yeah.

"i believe that there must be a moral component to what science does."

Actually, you got it backwards.

Objection to stem cell research is deeply immoral.

Like the people who won't get their kids blood transfusions. Or people who prevent the distributions of condoms.

[Name removed]

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[Lucian]

46. ...

:eyes:

[leftstreet]

2. Ugh. You're brave.

Thanks for the report back.

I can't watch that crap.

:hi:

[vadawg]

6. lol outside of scandanavian beach volleyball i avoid womens sport like soap

[leftstreet]

9. No I meant the fundie xtian nut stuff. Not the womens sports

[vadawg]

14. lol my bad,

[MichaelHarris]

11. How

progressive of you, hate woman's sports and stem-cell research. Kicked any dogs lately?

[leftstreet]

16. No, look above you

I meant the anti-stem cell people. Then I realized you researched them, rather than watch them..

LOVE womens sports!

[MichaelHarris]

20. I'm with you

it's that loon above that troubles me.

[leftstreet]

21. Let's wall off WA state before he gets in

:rofl:

[MichaelHarris]

23. hahahahahaha

man I hope he's not already here. My vote is Kentucky.

[vadawg]

19. so now you are the arbiter of not only whos christian but whos a progressive

do you think you could check my kidney functions whilst you are whilst you are here.

[MichaelHarris]

22. Good luck

here on DU

[vadawg]

25. thanks nothing personal mate, just a difference of opinion.

bon voyage in life and on DU

[MichaelHarris]

27. seriously

I'm not your mate, never will be. You're blinded by some Christian belief that doesn't support life and science. Dark Ages would be good for you.

[vadawg]

31. Okay ya plamf, you win, your the bestest christian there is

[MichaelHarris]

34. Thank you

for finally seeing that.

[tkmorris]

44. You avoid soap?

[vadawg]

45. lol sorry thats a phrase that probuably means nowt around here

basically its a way of saying its something you find toxic, sorry to confuse.

[knowbody0]

4. way back in my stepford wife days

I pretended to love football.

the women above are perfection thanks

[MichaelHarris]

7. they bring

heart and soul to the game, I truly enjoy watching them play.

[PylesMalfunction]

13. I love women's BB!

I'm also lucky enough to be able to call the Lady Vols my home team. :)

[MichaelHarris]

18. Man

you guys have pretty good teams, WSU is building. I like it when we play teams we don't see often. We played Kansas and Milwaukee this year.

[PylesMalfunction]

38. We don't dominate the way we used to...

and I think it's fantastic. There is so much more parity to the games now. It's an awesome thing. You know what else is awesome? Seeing all the little girls at Lady Vols games and how excited they get.

[treestar]

37. Michael J. Fox is post-born

His life is of less value than those pre-born.

:sarcasm:

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. The congressman for KC is a minister and he wrote a wonderful editorial in favor of

stem cell research in 2006. It was published right after Warner made that obnoxious commercial. It was about saving lives and the importance of doing that. Really smacked Warner and the anti research idiots down.

[pokerfan]

47. Howdy neighbor!

:hi:



Go Cougs!

[MichaelHarris]

48. wooohoooo!

How you guys doing? I love the lake but sometimes it gets too crowded.

[pokerfan]

51. Spent a lot of time on the lake

but you will probably recognize that picture as being of a Mikey's Gyros in the Field House prior to a football game.

As far as CdA goes, crowded is relative. Here's a shot I took in November:

[MichaelHarris]

52. That's a wonderful shot!

I bought me a small boat this past summer and hope to use it on Heyburn this summer. I'm going to sell my drift boat because I just don't have time to use it.

[pokerfan]

53. Heh, I learned to swim at Conklin Marina

Not too far from Heyburn.

[NashVegas]

50. If I May Pipe In

I don't mind that he made it. I don't mind that he made it as a "Christian."

One of the major points of any major religion is that you "surrender" to the idea that as a human, you don't get to control things. That's for the Big Guy. Deeply religious people view stem cell research and a variety of similar scientific research as a means of seeking to control the direction of humans, as a race.

Sue me, but I see a lot of things in modern day research to be horrified by. They're taking out patents. They are putting dollar values on life itself, and in the process devaluing it.

What I do mind is that he and others are so very selective about what they view as "control" and what battles they'll step into. Fertility treatment = okay, the pill = not? Eh, no. How is fertility treatment less controlling?


I feel badly for Michael J. Fox and everyone else who suffers. I've enjoyed his movies. But I don't think publicly disagreeing with him, or counter-lobbying against him, automatically makes someone an asshole.