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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:21 PM
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President Obama said Wednesday the recession will turn into "a catastrophe" if the economic stimulus
Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 03:22 PM by marketcrazy1
is not passed quickly" this statement bothers me, the same kind of scare tactics Paulson used to get the EESA / TARP passed....
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:22 PM
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1. Not a scare tactic if it's true.
Have you seen the econ/fin/mfg stats lately?

Sounds pretty realistic to me.
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:25 PM
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3. No kidding.
I'm just furious at the stupid MSM nattering on about Daschle while the economy is burning. This isn't scare tactics - it's reality.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:26 PM
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5. this bill MIGHT help in the long run
but short term ( 6 to 12 months ) we are going to suffer!!! when this bill passes and the economy STILL tanks these words will come back to haunt him..
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:36 PM
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9. and you know this how?
what have you read in the bill that makes you think it will not help in the 'short term'?
The Act provides for the following critical investments:

* Tax cuts for Working Families - $247 billion
* Job-creating Investments in Infrastructure and Science - $165 billion
* Job-creating Investments in Health - $153 billion
* Job-creating Investments in Education and Training - $138 billion
* Job-creating Investments for an Energy Independent America - $82 billion
* Job-creating Tax Cuts for Small Businesses - $21 billion
* Helping Americans Hit Hard by the Economic Crisis - $72 billion
* Law Enforcement, Oversight, Other Programs - $10 billion

Tax Cuts for Working Families include:

- $142 billion in Making Work Pay tax credits will provide ninety-five percent of American workers with up to $500 in extra cash in their paychecks; married couples filing jointly can receive up to $1000 total.

- $15 billion in tax cuts for families will give cash back to parents through an expansion of Earned Income Tax Credit for families with three or more children, additional marriage penalty relief for couples, and increased eligibility for the Refundable Child Tax Credit for lower-income families.

- $4 billion in tax cuts for homeowners will facilitate new home purchases with enhancements to the existing $7,500 homebuyer tax credit.

- $17 billion in one-time payments to seniors, disabled veterans and others will provide an immediately usable payment of $300 to seniors on Social Security, low-income recipients of Supplemental Security Income, disabled veterans and veterans on pensions, Railroad Retirement beneficiaries, and others who may not qualify for the Making Work Pay.

- $70 billion in Alternative Minimum Tax relief will protect 24 million working families from thousands of dollars in additional income taxes for 2009

Job-Creating Investments in Infrastructure and Science include:

Infrastructure Improvements

- $16 billion to repair, renovate and construct public schools in ways that will raise energy efficiency and provide greater access to information technology, and $3.5 billion to improve higher education facilities.

- $16 billion in tax credit bonds and tax-exempt bond improvements will finance job-rich projects in the public and private sectors, to build and renovate schools and to make other infrastructure improvements at the state and local level, in national recovery zones and on Native reservations.

- $9 billion for the National Telecommunications and Information Administration’s (NTIA) Broadband Technology Opportunities Program. This competitive grant funding will increase broadband access and usage in unserved and underserved areas of the Nation, which will better position the U.S. for economic growth, innovation, and job creation.

- $5.1 billion for the Department of Homeland Security to secure the homeland and promote economic activity.

- $4.6 billion in funding for the Corps of Engineers.

- $3.7 billion for VA hospital and medical facility construction and improvements, long-term care facilities for veterans, and improvements at VA national cemeteries.

- $3.4 billion for repair, restoration and improvement of public facilities at parks, forests, refuges and on other public and tribal lands.

- $3.2 billion for Facilities Sustainment, Restoration and Modernization to be used to invest in energy efficiency projects and to improve the repair and modernization of Department of Defense facilities to include Defense Health facilities.

- $2.4 billion for Department of Defense Facilities including quality of life and family-friendly military construction projects such as family housing and child care centers.

- $2.25 Billion for the HOME Investment Partnerships Program block grant to enable state and local government, in partnership with community-based organizations, to acquire, construct, and rehabilitate affordable housing and provide rental assistance to poor families.

- $110 million in tax incentives to build broadband capacity in rural and underserved areas will grow jobs in the technology sector and create economic opportunities in targeted areas

Transportation

- $27 billion is included for highway investments

- $8.4 billion for investments in public transportation.

- $5.5 billion for competitive grants to state and local governments for transportation investments.

- $1.3 billion for investments in our air transportation system.

- $3.1 billion for investments in rail transportation, including High Speed Rail.

- $830 million for repair and restoration of roads on park, forest, tribal and other public lands.

Public Housing

- $5 billion to the public housing capital fund to enable local public housing agencies to address a $32 billion backlog in capital needs -- especially those improving energy efficiency in aging buildings.

- $2.1 billion for full-year payments to owners receiving Section 8 project-based rental assistance.

- $2.25 billion for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes.

- $1.5 billion for homeless prevention activities, which will be sent out to states, cities and local governments through the emergency shelter grant formula.

Environmental Clean-Up/Clean Water

- $6.4 billion is directed towards environmental cleanup of former weapon production and energy research sites.

- $6 billion for local clean and drinking water infrastructure improvements.

- $1.4 billion for EPA’s nationwide environmental cleanup programs, including Superfund.

- $1.4 billion to support $3.8 billion in loans and grants for needed water and waste disposal facilities in rural areas.

Science

- $1.5 billion total for NASA.

- $1.4 billion total for National Science Foundation (NSF) Research.

- $1.2 billion total for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA).

Job-Creating Investments in Health include:

- $23.9 billion for investments and incentives in health information technology (IT) will grow jobs in the information technology sector, and will jumpstart efforts to increase the use of health IT in doctors’ offices and other medical facilities. This will reduce health care costs and improve the quality of health care for all Americans.

- $5.8 billion for prevention and wellness programs to fight preventable diseases and conditions with evidence-based strategies.

- $3.5 billion to conduct biomedical research in areas such as cancer, Alzheimer’s, heart disease and stem cells, and to improve NIH facilities.

- $1.1 billion to the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, NIH and the HHS Office of the Secretary to evaluate the relative effectiveness of different health care services and treatment options.

- $870 million to complete funding for pandemic flu preparedness.

Job-Creating Investments in Education and Training include:

- $79 billion State Fiscal Stabilization Fund includes $39 billion to local school districts and public colleges and universities, distributed through existing State and federal formulas; $15 billion to States as incentive grants as a reward for meeting key education performance measures; and $25 billion to States for other high-priority needs such as public safety and other critical services, which may include education.

- $13 billion in tax cuts for college tuition and education will help students and their families afford four years of college, with a $2,500 tax credit and the ability to purchase computers and computer technology with funds from tax-free 529 Savings Plans.

- $13 billion for Title 1 to help close the achievement gap and enable disadvantaged students to reach their potential.

- $13 billion for Special Education/IDEA to improve educational outcomes for disabled children. This level of funding will increase the Federal share of special education services to its highest level ever.

- $13.9 billion to increase the Pell Grant maximum award and to pay for increases in program costs resulting from increased eligibility and higher Pell Grant awards. The bill supports an increased Pell Grant maximum award of $281 in the 2009-2010 academic year and $400 in the 2010-2011 academic year. This aid will help 7 million students pursue postsecondary education.

- $3.4 billion for job training including State formula grants for adult, dislocated worker, and youth programs (including $1.2 billion to create up to one million summer jobs for youth).

- $108 million in extended Trade Adjustment Assistance will help businesses retool to avoid trade-related layoffs, and provide workers with income support and retraining if international trade causes job losses

Job-Creating Investments and Tax Incentives in Energy include:

- $33 billion in green energy tax incentives will grow jobs in the renewable energy sector by encouraging private-sector investments in research and production of green energy with wind, biomass, hydropower, and other renewable sources

- $6 billion for repair of federal buildings to increase energy efficiency using green technology.

- $5.4 billion in tax incentives for conservation and green energy use will encourage and reward energy efficiency and the building of alternative fueling stations, and facilitate the funding of conservation projects to improve America’s energy independence and grow jobs in these sectors as well.

- $4.6 billion for Fossil Energy research and development.

- $4.5 billion for smart-grid related activities, including work to modernize the electric grid.

- $4.2 billion for Energy Efficiency and Conservation Grants.

- $2.9 billion is available for the Weatherization Assistance Program.

- $2.6 billion for energy efficiency and renewable energy research.

- $2 billion is provided in grant funding for the manufacturing of advanced batteries systems and components and vehicle batteries that are produced in the United States.

- $1.6 billion is provided for grants to make schools and hospitals, significant users of energy, more energy efficient.

- $10 billion is provided for new loan guarantees aimed at standard renewable projects such as wind or solar projects and for electricity transmission projects.

Job-Creating Tax Cuts and Investments for Small Businesses include:

- Approximately $21 billion in business tax relief and incentives will help businesses survive in growing markets, get financing for expansion, and get the money they need for payroll and expenses. Businesses will be able to more easily write off the cost of new equipment, write off more losses if they’re hard hit economically, delay or reduce some tax payments, and cash in unused tax credits.

- Loans for Small Businesses: $730 million to stimulate lending to small businesses.

- $208 million in Work Opportunity tax incentives will increase the hiring of disabled veterans and disadvantaged youths into the workforce

Help for Workers and Families Hardest Hit by the Economic Crisis includes:

- $87 billion in increased Medicaid funding will help states to respond to rising numbers of Americans seeking health coverage through Medicaid, to balance state budgets, and to deal with other fiscal pressures brought on by the economic crisis.

- $47 billion in unemployment insurance improvements will allow Americans who lose their jobs in the economic downturn to receive an extra $25 in their weekly benefits, receive unemployment insurance longer if needed, pay fewer taxes on unemployment benefits, and get help even if they need to move to part-time work or leave work for family reasons

- $26 billion in COBRA premium assistance will help workers who lose their jobs to keep health coverage longer with a 65% subsidy for COBRA premiums

- $16.5 billion for additional Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), formerly Food Stamps, benefits.

- $3 billion in Temporary Assistance to Needy Families funding will allow programs to better serve the country’s lowest-income families in this time of economic crisis

- $1.8 billion in Medicaid, Medicare, and Indian Health Service funds will allow Americans transitioning into the workforce from the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families program to keep health coverage through Medicaid longer, will assist low-income seniors and disabled Americans with Medicare premiums, and will help American Indians and Alaska Natives afford health care

- Child Care Development Block Grant: $2 billion to provide quality child care services for an additional 300,000 children in low-income families who increasingly are unable to afford the high cost of day care.

- Head Start & Early Head Start: $2.1 billion to allow an additional 124,000 children to participate in this program, which provides development, educational, health, nutritional, social and other activities that prepare children to succeed in school.

- State and Local Law Enforcement: $3.95 billion total to support law enforcement efforts.

Unprecedented Oversight, Accountability and Transparency

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan provides unprecedented oversight, accountability, and transparency to ensure that taxpayer dollars are invested effectively, efficiently, and as quickly as possible.

- Funds are distributed whenever possible through existing formulas and programs that have proven track records and accountability measures already in place.

- Numerous provisions in the bill provide for expedited but effective obligation of funds so that dollars are invested in the economy as quickly as possible.

- The Government Accountability Office and the Inspectors General are provided additional funding for auditing and investigating recovery spending.

- A new Recovery Act Accountability and Transparency Board will coordinate and conduct oversight of recovery spending and provide early warning of problems.

- A special website will provide transparency by posting information about recovery spending, including grants, contracts, and all oversight activities.

- State and local whistleblowers who report fraud and abuse are protected.

- There are no earmarks in this bill.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:23 PM
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2. But this time the fear factor is being used on the obstructionist GOP
A little taste of their own medicine
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:26 PM
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4. Just put the long term stuff into the Big annual spending bill coming up this month @
the stimulus will pass easily.
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:28 PM
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6. I really don't think for one second
he's trying to scare us he's trying to get things done, now.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:34 PM
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7. Maybe a catastrophe to those..
few million that lost their jobs, and anyone they usually buy things from..and so on..and so on. Otherwise yeah..it's a scare tactic, until you lose your job too.
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wundermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:34 PM
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8. Is Obama setting up the stage for a "Shock Doctrine" event
seems so... why else is he trying to throw trillions of tax payer's dollar at corporations proven to be corrupt?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:36 PM
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10. What is Obama doing now?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:37 PM
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11. Maybe Colin Powell can give a power-point presentation on the matter?
Shades of the IWR and TARP bill! :eyes:
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:37 PM
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12. I don't like his tone at all
If the stimulus bill is as great as he thinks it is, then it should be sold on it's own merits and not fear.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:42 PM
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14. Bingo, I still remember the Obama speech on why we needed
to pass the TARP bill.

:(

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:40 PM
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13. I'm already in a catastrophic situation that could become worse..
doesn't scare me at all. We need something done like yesterday!
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:42 PM
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15. Only difference is this time there's fact-based foundation for the alarm.
Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 03:43 PM by Political Heretic
I wouldn't call it as bad as Bush, but I'm not going to lie and say his tone doesn't bother me a little bit.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:44 PM
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16. Unfortunately, it will also turn into a catastrophe if the stimulus bill...
...winds up so watered-down that it doesn't do enough to generate jobs and help the middle-class.

And that appears to be exactly what is happening right now. Bipartisan Compromise City -- less spending on employment programs, vitally-needed items tossed in the trash, but more tax cuts to keep the G.O.P. from filibustering.

My question: if, in current times, we still can't enact the sweeping action needed to stave off another Depression...when will we ever be able to do it??? :shrug:

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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:48 PM
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17. uhh -- got news -- it already IS a catastrophe
Can we skip the Stimulus and go straight to the Government setting up whatever WPA to put people back to work -- like NOW?

There are people hanging on to the edge with bloodied fingers, while well-paid fat cats play silly ass games in Washington.

If the pukes are gonna be a-holes, go straight to NEW DEAL. F*ck em if they want to obstruct. Roll over their f*cking heads. PLEASE.
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 03:53 PM
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18. I guess it really depends on how one defines catastrophe
and when I see more than 100,000 people laid off last week, and already see that the US will have a like number more out of work this week, it seems to me it's getting close.

It's one thing to scare the public when the circumstances--and the real evidence--warrants alarm. It is quite another to scare the public by falsely trying to link Saddam and Al Quaida so you can convince them to support a war effort. Nor is it the same as trying every argument in the book to get popular support to invade Iraq without success and then FALSELY play the WMD card and viola... and guess what, it was a lie.

And Paulson on TARP, sadly, is a terrible example. It was just different lies, same administration. The need was clearly based on real circumstances that yoou could see in the headlines every day. Where it fell apart was in two HUGE places. First, Paulson was allowed to change the planned use of the funds after they were granted to his effort--wtf? And second, there has been little to no transparency in where the money was going and what is was to be used for. That is ridiculous when the PRIMARY reason for the TARP funds (the selling point) was that we needed this so that the credit markets would reopen... and that hasn't happened.

Both great examples where the Bush administration manipulated facts to persuade people toward a desired political outcome...

The difference is, I don't believe the Obama administration is manipulating the facts.
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