Judge Scalia in FL yesterday. Told audience to "get over 2000". Was rude to a student.

[madfloridian]

What a heck of a nice guy he must be. He was giving a speech and promoting his book.

Get over 2000? Not very likely.

From the Palm Beach Post:

Scalia on 2000: 'Get over it'

WEST PALM BEACH — Eight years after he and four of his U.S. Supreme Court colleagues effectively decided the 2000 presidential election, Justice Antonin Scalia visited this hotbed of recount passion Tuesday and was asked to reflect on the momentous Bush vs. Gore decision.

"My response to that is always: Get over it," Scalia told a packed Forum Club of the Palm Beaches luncheon.

Alternating between earthiness and erudition, Scalia laid out his "originalist" approach to the Constitution during a 40-minute speech, mixed it up with audience members in a question-and-answer session, then promoted his recent book, Making Your Case: The Art of Persuading Judges.

The book promotion led Florida Atlantic University student Sarah Jeck to ask Scalia if the Supreme Court's opposition to having its proceedings televised was "vitiated" by, among other things, "Supreme Court justices going out on book tours."

Her question drew laughter and applause from the crowd of about 730, but Scalia wasn't amused.

"That's a nasty, impolite question," Scalia said before moving on to another query.

The Wall Street Journal covers this incident a little more.

Afternoon Scotus Roundup: A Scalia Outburst

The latest bloggable gem comes courtesy of Tony Mauro at Legal Times and the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. According to Mauro, Scalia was giving a talk on Tuesday in West Palm Beach, Fla., when he got a question he apparently didn’t like from an audience member. The question, from Sarah Jeck, a 20-year-old Florida Atlantic University undergraduate, was whether the rationale for Scalia’s well-known opposition to cameras in the Supreme Court was “vitiated” by several facts, like that the Court allows the public to view arguments and that justices go out on book tours.

According to accounts, Scalia replied: “Read the next question. That’s a nasty, impolite question.”

Mauro tracked down Jeck, who reportedly seemed “a little stunned, but not cowed,” by Scalia’s remark. “He can dish it out, but he can’t take it, I guess,” she said. “I’m generally a very polite person. I’m really surprised the way it turned out. It was not a preposterous question.”

Notwithstanding his initial demurrer, Scalia later returned to the topic of cameras in the courts. Scalia reportedly said he originally supported the idea of camera access in the courts, but came to oppose it because the inevitable “30-second takeouts” would not give a true picture of what is going on. “Why should I be a party to the miseducation of the American people?” he said.

Forget about it? Get over it? Never.

[Solly Mack]

1. Getting over it and just moving on

The words coward and guilty come to mind...

[madfloridian]

29. Yes, those two words come to my mind as well.

Can't get over it.

[Stellabella]

2. We'll 'get over' Stolen 2000 when they 'get over' Roe v. Wade.

And not even then.

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. What good has scalia done in this world?

As far as I am concerned, scalia can swallow a razor blade.

[dysfunctional press]

16. he has helped to galvanize the left.

just like bush, cheney, and rove.

[El Supremo]

4. Obama should demand his resignation. Along with Thomas and Kennedy.

I know Obama can't fire them. But it would get congress to at least think about their impeachment.

[MNDemNY]

11. Or...put them in his cabinet.

[Hippo_Tron]

19. Scalia would be a lot less dangerous as Commerce Secretary than on the SCOTUS, that's for sure

[anonymous171]

24. Ambassador to Afghanistan?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

25. Never happen.

[byeya]

41. If Obama can't find the will to demand they resign,

he can at least expand the court to eleven people to dilute the hate-monger five.

[FailureToCommunicate]

48. Impeach Scalia?? Sorry, he'll have to get in line. Take a number Tony

[aquart]

5. Nice to know it bugs him.

I'd like to know that he feels bugs are crawling all over him.

[predfan]

6. Scalia: class act, 24-7. Thanks to Ronald Reagan for giving us the opportunity

to pay him for life.

[TNOE]

7. Never gonna happen

there are some things that will never be forgot - or erased from history.

[John Q. Citizen]

8. 'A nasty, impolite question?'

What's Scalia got to hide? I predict great things for Sarah Jeck. She's smart.


“He can dish it out, but he can’t take it, I guess,” she said. “I’m generally a very polite person. I’m really surprised the way it turned out. It was not a preposterous question.”

[Octafish]

34. His dad was head of a pro-NAZI org in the years before WW II.

Fascists don't like questions.
They don't like to answer for their actions.

[arcadian]

9. prick

[ferrous wheel]

10. Fat Tony was just pissed 'cause he didn't know what 'vitiated' means.

:rofl:

[peacetalksforall]

12. 'Get over it' from him is equivalent to a criminal assault and being told get over it.

He is a thief for corporations and barons and uses street language in a snotty, swarmy way.

He's an embarassing Catholic.

[crimsonblue]

13. Scalia must be reusing laugh lines

I've had his "Why would I be a party to the miseducation of the American people" phrase as my sig line for many months.

[Art_from_Ark]

90. Sheesh-- talk about cognitive dissonance

"Why would I be a party to the miseducation of the American people?" he asks.

This is the same fool who claimed that the 14th Amendment had something to do with Presidential elections, but it could only be applied one time, to one particular election. And he didn't even sign his opinion.

[City Lights]

14. Well Tony, you deserve no respect, so "nasty and impolite" is all that's left.

Suck on it. Hard.

And Tony, you seriously need to get over us not getting over it, mkay?

[starroute]

15. Are we supposed to get over this part too?

http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/121100/sup_1211007331.shtml

Monday, December 11, 2000

Court's reputation being tested

The Associated Press

In a divided weekend ruling, conservative justices lined up with George W. Bush and liberal justices backed Al Gore as the court suspended the hand count of thousands of Florida ballots that may contain undetected votes for president.

"I do think its image is tarnished in the eyes of many people," Erwin Chemerinsky, law professor at the University of Southern California, said of the court. "It's seen as another political player." . . .

Democrats were abuzz Monday about two sons of conservative Justice Antonin Scalia who work for law firms now connected to the case. John Scalia accepted a position with the Miami-based firm Greenberg Traurig on Nov. 7, election day. Barry Richard, a partner in the firm, is the lead Bush attorney in Florida. Richard, who is a Democrat, said he was called Nov. 8 about representing Bush.

A second son, Eugene, is a partner in the Washington office of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher -- the firm representing Bush in the Supreme Court arguments. He is not involved in the case.

[hootinholler]

31. Son of a Bitch! I knew that firm sounded familiar! It's fucking Abramoff!

From here:

According to the suit, after Greenberg hired Abramoff in 2001, he catapulted Greenberg's Washington lobbying practice into one of the top 10 in the country.

Abramoff alone generated $10 million a year in lobbying fees. In 2000, before Abramoff joined the firm, Greenberg had $3.3 million in lobbying fees, according to the suit. After he joined in 2001, the firm took in $16.2 million in fees.

By 2002, that number jumped to $17.7 million, and $25.5 million by 2003. After Abramoff was fired in early 2004, the firm's lobbying practice nosedived by 90 percent, according to the suit.

Those guys are dirty as hell, check out the article.

-Hoot

[BlueMTexpat]

52. But ... but ... ethics just don't apply

to those who support Republicans. :evilgrin:

And Dems may have been "abuzz" but WTF did they actually DO? There were also conflict-of-interest questions raised about Thomas's wife.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/121200-02.htm

Still nada.

A couple of things that I still remember with much bitter regret about the 2000 "Selection" is how some prominent Dems actually turned against Al Gore for contesting the FL results ... and how Lieberman (that f**k!) actually gave Republicans fodder in their campaign to count undated absentee ballots there. And yet L'il Joe was "surprised" when Gore didn't endorse his own Prez campaign in 2004! Yeah, sure.

With "friends" like those ... .

[bullimiami]

17. the absolute corruption of our justice system is defined by scalia.

[monmouth]

18. And his "book" was for sale at this little get together. He's a nasty POS...n/t

[mitchum]

20. I wish that motherfucking cartoon Guido would choke on "the body of christ"

[tanyev]

21. I will, just as soon as they get over 2008.

[old mark]

23. They are still in the hangover stage form '08. Wait till the next

Congressional election when they lose even more. I think they will start to wake up then, but it will be to late for them.

mark

[GinaMaria]

81. doesn't even come close

2008 reflects the will of the people. Some may have a different opinion than the majority in this case but no one can refute the legitimacy of BHO's Presidency. 2000 wasn't an election it was a selection made by 5 people. *'s pResidency will always be illegit

[tanyev]

83. Oh, I get that.

I'm just saying that I personally would be willing to never again mention what happened in 2000 if the current crop of GOP elected officials, party leaders and media figures would admit that the 2008 election was a mandate for Barack Obama and his policies and a resounding STFU to Republican bloviating.

[bluesmail]

22. I read when he was just a plain old lawyer, he represented Cindy McCain's

father who (maybe, likely)) was connected to the mafia. My memory is foggy. It involved a beer franchise. The father was employed by the mafia ergo when he got busted, the Mafia sent Antonin Scalia to represent the father. Damn it, my memory is so stuffed I know the case ended up giving the father a beer franchise. Can somebody help my memory?

[kestrel91316]

26. Fat Tony is a nasty, impolite person. What an asswipe.

[Nickster]

27. I believe the term is vaffanculo, Mr. Scalia. vaffanculo

[pacalo]

28. Doesn't Scalia realize that those "30-second takeouts" apply to book tours, too -- the articles that

report on each speech don't include every word he says; in fact, the writer generally reports on the more confrontational & controversial moments, such as these articles did. There are far more good reasons to televise SCOTUS proceedings than these cheap promotional book tours.

This nasty, impolite troll has got to be an embarrassment to the legal profession (to the honest ones, that is).

And, no, we will not get over 2000 or the damage it brought to this country.

[defendandprotect]

30. He'd LOVE us to "get over it" --- not going to happen . .. . in fact ,

while it was the noisest steal so far cause they had to drag the SC into it ---

it points back to decades of steals ---

This is the only way that fascism comes to power -- political violence and stolen elections!

Here's the investigation which began in the late 1960's . . .

http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm

[madfloridian]

32. I will never get over that recount in 2000.

I have not been able to watch the HBO movie yet. I recorded it and deleted it. Just not ready to watch it.

[BlueMTexpat]

54. I watched it ...

cried bitter tears and yelled at the TV a good deal.

You're probably healthier as a result of your forebearance. :hi:

[ProgressIn2008]

33. Getting over this shit is complicity. No thanks. Keep fighting the good fight, madfloridian. nt

[antimatter98]

35. Gives me comfort to know we have an a.h. in the Supreme Court. n/t

[Hekate]

36. Never forgive. Never forget. Scalia is a thug. nt

[The Wizard]

37. Known as "Nino The Fixer"

in the Nixon White House, he should be impeached for not recusing himself in Bush v Gore as his son worked for the firm representing Bush. Judge (Long Dong) Thomas should also be impeached as his wife was on Bush's transition team. These are perceptions of conflicts of interest if not genuine conflicts unto themselves. Impeach, indict, incarcerate in general population.

[saltpoint]

38. Good for Ms. Jeck.

[deutsey]

39. We'll be "getting over" the consequences of this crime for at least a generation

Meanwhile, fuckheads like Scalia will go merrily on their way selling books, getting fat speaking fees, and wielding power.

[barbtries]

40. i'd like to see this fuck removed

impeached, whatever. he has no business being on the supreme court being that he's a partisan bush fucking hack.

[rasputin1952]

42. Scalia would be Grand Inquistor during the Spanish Inquisition...

gleefully smiling at the abuse of humans....he's a sadist...x(

[Vattel]

43. Scalia is awesome when it comes to fighting abuses

of executive power. In Hamdi v Rumsfeld, for example, Scalia (joined by Stevens) wrote a dissenting opinion that was more anti-executive power than the majority opinion. He argued that the govt. was required to charge Hamdi with a crime or release him! Has anyone around here actually read any of Scalia's opinions? Granted, he fucked up royally in Gore v Bush, his interpretation of "cruel and unusual" in the 8th amendment is way too narrow, and he wrongly ignores the ninth amendment, but he's generally strong on the fourth amendment, he is deeply opposed to the Bush "I'm above the law" crap, and in general he is a brilliant and principled justice. He's not an idiot like Thomas.

[Enthusiast]

44. Why didn't he recuse himself

on the Cheney secret energy meeting thing?

[Vattel]

59. I think he should have, but it's debatable.

[Jamastiene]

47. Shakes head

:popcorn:

[Vattel]

60. enjoy your popcorn

[Pierre.Suave]

55. Edit

I read Hamdan not Hamdi.

[Vattel]

58. You should read Hamdi too

[Pierre.Suave]

61. What I meant was

that I thought you had written hamdan when you wrote hamdi instead, not that I had not read it.

[Vattel]

68. Oh, I didn't see your post before it was edited.

[Pierre.Suave]

69. LOL

probably a good thing...

[MrCoffee]

77. I don't know if "awesome" is the right word, but I completely agree on Hamdi

Scalia is wicked smart, and very principled, unlike Thomas the knob-polisher. I disagree with about 75% of Scalia's principles, but I respect him for having them and being able to defend them.

[Vattel]

88. At last, a DU poster with a measured and proportionate

opinion of Scalia. Thank you for posting.

[HillWilliam]

45. Originalist? FAIL! Try "ad libber", you piker.

:rant:

Scalia, you're like a second-rate vaudevillian who wishes he was up to Shakespeare, believing that he can "improve" on the material given to him by the original writers. What your "originality" has given us is two failed wars, a trashed economy, the most homelessness since the last Great Depression, the most people out of work since the last Great Depression, the greatest stock market plunge since the last Great Depression, one of the most unpopular and incompetent presidents in history, the rise of the most radical, racist, unhinged segment of the population to power during that president's reign, the loss of America's standing in the world as a righteous and just power, the bizarre and wholly immoral justification of the use of torture, the loss of habeas corpus (over a thousand years of just and decent Western law and tradition down the drain) -- and a thousand other woes visited on our nation by your hands.

What we have here, sir, is a single point of failure -- your failure to observe and your haste to usurp the Constitution of the United States by fiat rather than the sound basis of law. This was not originality -- this was treason. Your backroom antics have well been documented; your running around trying to convince the other justices to stop the recounts illegally; your complicity in the destruction of the evidence in Florida; your many other transgressions, manifold and manifest.

I was in Florida in 2000. I watched my ballots and the ballots of my neighbors being carted off at oh-dark-thirty in the morning after the election. Your accomplice, Katherine Harris cited a clause in the Florida election law that stated that uncounted ballots must be destroyed, but the recounts hadn't even yet begun. You both knew damn well the real outcome of the election, but you both were committed to stealing the election.

Riddle me this, Batman: if Ms Harris couldn't get trucks to the precincts on time to get the ballots counted, how is it that she could get folks out of bed at 3 or 4am to get them to the precincts before sunrise to cart them off for destruction? She didn't think we'd see, but by-damn we did. *I* saw; my partner saw; we made sure we got our neighbors up and out to see, too. News crews were out and the fact was video taped. So don't tell us it didn't happen. We all fucking saw it. So STFU, fatso, and don't you dare presume to tell me to get over you stealing our votes and hence the election.

I said it.

You, the single point of failure in our system of laws, can and should still be corrected. It's not too late and there is now a Democratic majority on The Hill. With sufficient pressure and the collected evidence brought to bear, it is not too late to impeach, convict, and remove your ad libbing behind from the bench.

"Originalist" my fruit-flavored arse. There is nothing "original" about treason.

:mad:

[Jamastiene]

46. I hope his book doesn't sell and he has to pay the advance back, plus

fees. Actually, that's much much much too mild. Geez, I hope he gets the same done to him that he did to the American people, but I don't think we'll be that lucky. I hate that fucking bastard.

[lunatica]

49. Did he follow up with the Sicilian Salute?

Why should we get over it?

[Kansas Wyatt]

50. Get Over It? Take a good look around the country Tony Scalia...

Because you have a very BIG responsibility for the mess we are in.

But as your country crumbles, you are just fine with your position, power, wealth, privilege, and pathetic book tours. It shows how very little you care about this country.

[LynneSin]

51. This is why they won't have cameras in the Supreme Court

Who wants to look at that fat ugly hateful asshole

[Orsino]

53. ...and the decision he's so ashamed of, he doesn't want it to be a precedent?

Scalia is a willing, even eager, party in the miseducation of America. It's why he was installed, and why, in turn, he installed */Cheney.

[Hawkowl]

56. IMPEACH Scalia

Lying, cheating, conflict of interest motherfucker. He needs to be impeached

[Johonny]

57. He can dish it out, but he can’t take it

like your typical stupid high school bully

[The Backlash Cometh]

62. Scalia is the reincarnation of a Borgia pope.

[BrklynLiberal]

63. “Why should I be a party to the miseducation of the American people?”

Does this guy do mushrooms or LSD? He is so totally removed from reality that it is terrifying to know that he has a seat on the Supreme Court!!! :scared:

[Time for change]

64. Seriously -- After Bush and his cronies are tried for war crimes,

Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy need to be impeached, if not criminally charged for treason, for their blatantly corrupt decision in Bush v. Gore.

Scumbag Scalia accusing someone else of asking a nasty impolite question is like Hitler accusing someone of genocide.

[Tsiyu]

65. Scalia is an embarrassment to Italians

He has no ethics, no humility, no concern for the nation that pays him.

He is the definition of a loser, in my book.

A Malochio on that ugly-as-homemade-sin mafia thug.

Malochio
Malochio
Malochio

Ha! :evilgrin:

[WI_DEM]

66. That has been his standard reply for years when 2000 comes up

[efhmc]

67. NEVER!!!

[George II]

70. He's proven himself to be a total ass a number of times. He has not business being on the SC.

[markbark]

71. An Impolite Question?

Nahh.... an "impolite question" would be more along the lines of:
"Yo, Nino! Since you've proven yourself to be a partisan hack, why should the American public have to put up with a fat, guinea cocksucker like yourself on the SCOTUS for the next twenty years or so?"

Jus' sayin'

--MAB

[hisownpetard]

72. Excellent, intelligent question. Thank you, Sarah Jeck!

[Lucky Luciano]

73. I don't hate many people. I hate Antonin Scalia. nt

[MrCoffee]

74. Ginsburg has a very similar response

The Justices tour law schools across the country. I saw both Scalia and Ginsburg speak, and participate in a Q&A with the students. Neither of them would discuss Bush v. Gore at all, and they were both equally brusque in closing the topic.

None of them talk about it because they were all ideologically dishonest in their opinions.

[Vattel]

75. Hasty generalization

Souter was ideologically dishonest in his opinion? I don't think so.

[MrCoffee]

76. He was...

I've never seen another opinon from Souter so determined to hand power to the States, or so dismissive of a federal interest in a case before the court. If you're familiar with one, I'd love to see it.

[Vattel]

87. You've never seen such an opinion

because the US Supreme Court is not in the habit of frivolously overriding the decisions of state supreme courts. It's not as if Souter has no respect at all for the rights of states.

[lisa58]

78. Scalia needs to get over the shock that everyone is pissed about bush v gore...

...and will continue to be.

It's gonna be the first thing they say about him when he dies.

[Raster]

79. Fat Tony is a nasty, impolite man. He deserves a "nasty, impolite question."

Here's a suggestion to help the United States out of our fiscal nightmare: set up a "Slap Fat Tony" booth out on The Mall. Charge $100.00 per slap. This country would be solvent in no time.

[Uncle Joe]

80. For many of you people; who lost loved ones, limbs or more

in a premeditated war based on lies promoted by a pRresident; who came to power via lies and corruption, "get over it."

[dawgmom]

82. If you look up "arrogant asshole" in the encyclopedia....

....there's a picture of Scalia.

What a dickwad.

[MasonJar]

84. The Felonious Five got what they wanted--8 miserable years of W--

and they nailed their place in the history of infamy for students of law forever.

[muntrv]

85. Obama won in 2008! Get over it, pukes!

[rcsl1998]

86. Since This Is His ONLY Response...

...he should be asked EVERYWHERE!

[Senator]

89. His "Response To That Is Always" ... An Admission Of Guilt

Had it not been a felonious and treasonous edict, there'd be nothing to "get over."

It is the response of a thug. And will be his only legacy.

---

[ooglymoogly]

91. In Scalia's perfect world he would have been able to

pull out a gun and shoot dead the offending questioner.

[ChiciB1]

92. There Are So MANY Things I Can Call This Fat 'Effing Idiot Who Sits

on his FAT Ass at the Supreme Court, but I think I just described a little of what I think about him!!

Too many Spaghettios rolling around his thick skull. Yeah, he "dishes" it out, but his skin is much too thin to take it!! He seems to think he's more of a "Pope" who rules the Catholic Church and that HIS views are sacrosanct!

If I offended any catholics, forgive me... I was raised as one for MANY, MANY years but finally decided I was unable to accept many of the concepts. It took me a long time to release myself because I always felt a kind of "fear" that there would be some retribution for leaving.