Ok just hear me out here

[4 t 4]

to really get Some jobs to Some people now -like yesterday, lets just say they take out everything the republicans are fighting, ok Whatever is holding it up and then they have nothing to hold it up so it passes. Then create other packages to help people and go from there? I know I'm missing things but please set me straight. Anything is better than nothing right ? I don't know about you guys but I've had enough push it through and vote or change it and go on we don't have the luxury of waiting. Really talk me down what am I missing?

[Nickster]

1. They aren't going to vote for it, so they want to water it down as much as possible.

They know it will pass,but they want to make it as nasty as possible. That way, they can point their fingers and say, hey look, it didn't work, I told you so.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Yes, that's the idea.

That's why we've already "given up" on good but "expendable" legislation like the family planning business.

[4 t 4]

4. Ok so if we really don't need them

to pass it what is President Obama waiting for. I am 100% for him but I am starting to not understand

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. He's playing politics.

The goal is to get it passed by President's Day.

It's important to get it passed soon, yes, but a couple of days won't make a difference.

So if we can paint the Republicans as petty obstructionists, which they are, that'll work out for the best in the long term.

[4 t 4]

13. But, but ...

a couple of days does make a difference that is kinda what I'm saying. It may make a difference from someone having a home and not having one that's what I mean it should have happened yesterday and Obama knows that-right?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. No, a few days wouldn't make a difference.

A few months? Sure. A few weeks? Maybe. But not a few days.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

40. These bills are not going to pass in the Senate -

The House is not a problem but the Senate... Well, that's another ball of wax.

[mdmc]

3. He will only get one shot. It will never "work" so there won't be

another bailout.

[4 t 4]

6. but he's the President he can

present as many packages as he wants right ?

[mdmc]

18. yup

but us silly chuckleheads that elected Obama won't care to bail out CEO after CEO without results.

[bobbolink]

5. Some of us are SIck And TIRED of being left out, just for the convenience of others.

Remember "SOLIDARITY"?

We get so tired of being told to VOTE, yet when it comes time to stand with us, it's so very easy to toss us out.

ENOUGH!

[4 t 4]

7. Right that's what I'm saying

we need this now whatever, so just start to help us Now and go from there whatever it takes. I just don't get it as of late.

[bobbolink]

11. No, that is NOT what you're saying!!! You want me to give up what I need for others.

NO!!! I'm so damned tired of that!

Goddamn it, what would it take for people to actually CARE about those of us on the very bottom ?????

[4 t 4]

17. Bobby that is not at all what

I mean but if some people don't get better (like myself and I'm really not talking about me-just symbolic) I have done so much over the years to help anyone that is poor and or homeless (sure I could have done more) but I have given people my last 3 dollars when I had 5 I have given people rides I have asked people can I help you find somewhere to live can I help you get a job do you need to talk to someone can I bring you somewhere can I bring you something. I'll buy them a sandwich and I'll give them some money and ask can I drive you. Well guess what I CAN'T do that anymore because what I live on is from someone else. I still do it and struggle with it all the time. It is not mine to give. I am due to lose everything this month

[bobbolink]

20. Rather than charity, we need the same as you... basic living!

Asking us to opt out for you... I can't even believe you can justify this.

Yes, it pisses me off!

Oh, and *I* lost everything two years ago.

I'm very angry that we are pitted against each other, and I'm angry that you are even suggesting it.

[stillcool]

10. and yet many of us have the same Senators..

even those who are Democrats who are not supportive of this bill. They are the ones that will vote for it, or not.
handy little link for emailing/calling your or any other Senator.
http://www.capwiz.com/sjhs/dbq/officials/

[bobbolink]

12. huh?

[stillcool]

15. Votes? Votes needed to pass legislation?

Are your Senators voting in favor of the stimulus package?

[bobbolink]

21. Apparently you are responding to someone else.

You aren't responding at all to what I said.

[stillcool]

22. I was responding to this...

We get so tired of being told to VOTE, yet when it comes time to stand with us, it's so very easy to toss us out.

We vote, but that's all we do. There are no consequences for the way the people we elect vote once they get into office. Saying that in two years, or four years, they will be kicked out of office doesn't cut it. If people can't get their own representatives to do the right thing, and vote in their favor...what's the point?

[4 t 4]

19. are you saying huh to me

because short of asking people to live with me I have done some things but now I can do so much less because I have so much less

[4 t 4]

26. Bobby really what would make you happy?

I wanted to help but it seemed everything I said pissed you off

[bobbolink]

31. Very simple. To be included!!!! How difficult is that to understand.

YET, now you are trying to paint me as being unreasonable, because I'm pissed that you would sell me out for your own benefit!!

Some "friend". :grr:

[Donnachaidh]

8. No one is going to agree with you until they are personally affected

I see where you're coming from. Sad to say, we'll have both sides barking at each other about this, while people are getting evicted, foreclosed on, and generally slipping off the edge. And then those folks WON'T COUNT anymore. The poor don't count - they get *disappeared* by BOTH sides.

But we'll still have barking. :shrug:

[bobbolink]

16. You're pitting the middleclass "new poor" against us, the "old poor"???

Why?

WHY should we keep voting for the people you want us to vote for, then give up what we need for YOU?

WHY???

[4 t 4]

24. I am truly sorry

but I am the old poor. I have been poor since I was a little kid in Oak Park Il. No father 5 children and rented our house had two drud addicted sisters. No new clothes cheap food short of living on the street and I had an uncle that did that, what do you want from me to prove I get it. I know it must be hell to not even have a home but I told you I have offered to take people home with me let alone buy them food give them a ride get them clothes talk to them get them someone to talk to give them cash you know everyone doesn't want help (like my uncle) many people just want to be left alone even if i6t's on the street What do you suggest I do ?

[4 t 4]

25. I am not pitting anyone against

anyone but if no one gets better no one gets better see my post above I think it at least explains where I am coming from

[4 t 4]

27. Bobby what is your problem??

4 t 4 (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-04-09 05:44 PM
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24. I am truly sorry
but I am the old poor. I have been poor since I was a little kid in Oak Park Il. No father 5 children and rented our house had two drud addicted sisters. No new clothes cheap food short of living on the street and I had an uncle that did that, what do you want from me to prove I get it. I know it must be hell to not even have a home but I told you I have offered to take people home with me let alone buy them food give them a ride get them clothes talk to them get them someone to talk to give them cash you know everyone doesn't want help (like my uncle) many people just want to be left alone even if i6t's on the street What do you suggest I do ?
This is the DU member formerly known as on the EDGE.
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[bobbolink]

32. What is YOUR problem? What don't you understand??

It's all about YOU, and now you want to paint me as being a "problem".

I don't want a ride from you, or a damned candy bar.

I want MY benefits!!

What is YOUR problem that you don't grasp that???

[4 t 4]

45. It's all about me when

I ask complete strangers if they need somewhere to live and I offer my house or anywhere I can take them to help them an I'm a single woman and rather small you righteous bastard who do you think you are ?

[4 t 4]

30. You are going

after the wrong people That's ok I understand.

[bobbolink]

34. Stop patronizing me.

I don't want your charity, I don't want your looking down on me.

I INSIST ON BEING A FULL HUMAN BEING! AND THAT MEANS GETTING THE SAME AS YOU DO!

[4 t 4]

42. ok enough --you want the

same as me- good luck I have nothing. you can have the same as me I just hope when I'm there people will be as kind to me as I have been to them.

[4 t 4]

46. GETTING THE SAME AS YOU DO!

you want the same as I have.Good Luck you got it I have nothing now so do you enjoy!

[Donnachaidh]

38. No I'm NOT -- I'm saying EXACTLY what is happening

People don't give a shit, unless they are being hit by this downturn. You've seen it on this board. All the blathering about a package that really DOESN'T do much for the poor. Endless post after post about tax incentives for 50K cars, or tax incentives for people to Buy homes.

Not a whole hell of a lot for the 100k people who got shit-canned last week. Not very much discussion at ALL about the poor, or the newly poor. But DAMN, can a stink be raised about who is calling whom names, at what an ass-hole that R senator is.

Oh yeah -- the occasional (very occasional) "I Just lost my Job* post.

THAT'S when reality hits home, at least for the ones brave enough to admit they've been laid off.

And once those folks who DO *get it* actually *GET IT*, they are out of work, out of a home, and left holding their belongings on the street. And then THEY are effectively FORGOTTEN by the blatherers who want to argue more than really truly DO SOMETHING.

[Winterblues]

23. They don't just want to take out they want to add Tax Cuts for Business.

They want a bill with nothing but Tax Cuts... Nothing less will suit them.

[4 t 4]

28. I agree winterblues

tax cuts is all they have to say

[nookiemonster]

36. Exactly. That's it in a nutshell.

It's all they have. Unfortunately, it's very effective word manipulation. Gotta love those think tanks.

[Greyhound]

29. Sorry, "anything" is not better than nothing. That is the kind of thinking that got us where we are.

There have to be standards below which we are not willing to sink.

Those that stand for nothing will fall for anything, and anything is what you've proposed.

[bobbolink]

33. Yup. Divide an conquer. And "progressives" fall for it again.

:nuke:

[Greyhound]

52. Yep, and just like 4t4 has put me on ignore because of a mistake not seen,

once fallen, admitting your mistake is one of the hardest actions a person can make.

Love the sig line Bobbo.

Be well.
:hug:

[dajoki]

44. It does not have to be either or...

this Dem Congress and Dem President should stop the game playing and pretending to be looking for bipartisan support. They should pass a stimulus that finally does something for those on the very bottom. There is no reason to pit us against each other, that happened before and it doesn't work. You are right, anything is NOT better than nothing, there should be something for ALL who need it!!

[Greyhound]

51. See, that is the crux of the biscuit, as Frank said. There are innumerable reasons

to pit us against each other. As long as they can maintain the charade of two opposing sides and the illusion of choice, we will continue to ignore what they are actually doing and keep listening to what they say.

On the brighter side, the number people that recognize what they are seeing is growing, perhaps enough will see it in time.

[bobbolink]

35. Here's the deal.... Those of you who got the "rebate" last year, do without this year

so that those of us who got NOTHING can finally get something this year!

Sounds more than fair to me!

Deal with it.

[4 t 4]

37. God what happened today

cause you are way out of controll How much more can I do short of living on the street and I am not far from that does that make you feel better? What is your goal?

[4 t 4]

39. here is my pm from Bobby I'm scared, he hates me

I thought he liked me we hade some pm relations and it was all good


>you must be loaded because your freaking me out oh well good
>luck

How DARE you!!

You are NOT welcome in my inbox!

Oh, and I will show this to all those who think you are soooo "progressive".

GOODBYE! and quit your gameplaying!

[dajoki]

41. I got one last year...

and I was very pissed off about those who did not get one, I even posted about it. If it would take me giving it back this year so that those who got screwed last year would get it, I would do that. There are many who are way worse off the I am, people I know, and I want to see those at the very bottom finally get SOMETHING. We are in this together and the only way we can survive is by uniting.

[4 t 4]

47. I didn't get a rebate last year

and I have welcomed people to live with me if I could help them get their lives back. What do you want, really what do you want people to do

[nookiemonster]

43. Damn.

:hug:

I really wish had something good to say about this whole situation. Unfortunately, I don't think a stimulus will cut it. I really believe that we are seriously staring at the abyss. This financial problem is deep and wide. Where the hell is the bottom?

Don't mean to be a wet blanket, but I'm really unsure of alot of stuff right now. Just think of the stuff that we don't know....

Perserverence is tough. Will is hard to find. We gotta just keep going on. We've got your back. Hang in there...


:)

[4 t 4]

48. I understand

not much good to say but get this just based on this post Bobbyo put me on ignore he won't take my pm's go back and read the whole thread What did I do to affend him?????

[Incitatus]

49. Bobbyo thinks you are suggesting

that we drop programs in the stimulus that would help people like him to appease Republicans and that the two of you are in different boats and you really only care about yours.

That's what I got from his posts.

[nookiemonster]

50. FYI, I don't think that you were offensive.

I really can't figure out what sent him off. I've read through the entire thread, and I can't find anything offensive. Maybe it's just me (and maybe quite a few DUers), that got your drift.

Ya can't please everyone. Hang in there.....

:)