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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:25 PM
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This 780 Billion "compromise" is FUCKING BILLSHIT!!!!!!!
Cut funding for head start? FOOD STAMPS? Violence against women? Child Nutrition?

INCREASE funding for DEFENSE SPENDING???

I swear fucking senate democrats in our own party are goddamn worthless. I know this will never happen, because I know that Obama isn't that progressive, but I wish so badly that Obama had the balls to veto a bill that didn't give him EXACTLY the spending that we KNOW the country needs, and place the blame of the hurt America would feel squarely where it belongs - on congress.

I wish he would veto a bill that tried to lower the spending approved in the house version, AND threaten to veto every single piece of legislation that came to his desk, including all appropriatons, until Congress sent him a stimulus bill that was right!

But of course that will never happen. And we'll get a weak ass bill that's about half as large as is needed, and it won't stimulate the economy much, though some of the social spending will be nice, and Republicans will try to hang its "failure" around Obama's neck.

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:26 PM
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1. unfortunately, I agree 100%.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:11 PM
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32. Hmmmm, that IS unfortunate. I agree. n/t
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:27 PM
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2. maybe those will be in stimulus bill #2

:shrug:
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:39 PM
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19. after spending 800-900 billion on this, we won't be able to pass much else.
that is exactly why this turned into a christmas tree for other projects.

Try getting any social programs funded after this.

Our next big fight is Health Care and that is going to be expensive too.

If Shrub and friends decided to undercut the Democrats agenda by trashing the economy ahead of time it may have worked. (not that they are that smart)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:28 PM
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:29 PM
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4. Why wasn't there a bill ready January 20th?
Well, not literally...

You know, people may love this bill but I think this may be Obama's first screw up (in the large scheme of things). There was a rumor that he would immediately have a pre-written stimulus ready to go when he walked through the door, that he would just hand as is to the critters. Instead, we let the Congress monkey around with it and fuck it up with partisan politics. Its sort of a strange deal that occurred. I don't get it. I realize it makes some people happy...but it just seems to be a mishmashed heap of crap thrown together with every focus and not enough bang in all. Whatever.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:32 PM
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7. Why doesn't he just decree it as the law of the land?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:35 PM
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14. Thats certainly how it was sounding at the time...
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 07:37 PM by Oregone
A majority in both houses, and a clear path to whatever he thought was best to the country. Yeah, obviously a bill must have Senator Vitter ejaculate on it to become a law, but it could of come in as-is, immediately, and been rammed straight through. Did Obama even present Congress with an outline of what he wanted. Or was it like "Section 1: Stimulus - $800 billion"?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:38 PM
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16. Yeah..I guess 2 weeks was too long...
but I can't imagine Harry Reid ramming anything through the Senate...well..maybe tax-cuts.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:43 PM
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23. Thats not the point
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 07:43 PM by Oregone
It isn't that it took two weeks to mishmash a bunch of expensive shit together, rather, why wasn't a direct, focused, comprehensive plan there already? Why was it thrown together in Congress over that time period?

Two weeks of everyone going back and forth, bitching, quoting Friedman (maybe not so much), etc?

This bill would of been a lot more effective if it came straight from the White House for the Congress to sign off on. It isn't like he didn't have over a month to hash out the important parts and get ideas with the Democratic lawmakers before inauguration. I mean, if this is a crisis, do you let the bipartisan legislative process deal with it?

So, I guess you are happy with 2 weeks and the Congress mashing it together. I would of been happy with 1 month, and Obama and the finest minds of the Democratic party engineering it. Its not the time period so much that bothers me, but the process (which I admit, is, afterall, the American legislative way).
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:11 PM
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33. Do you let bipartisan legislative process deal with it?
Well yeah...if you live in the United States, and want to pass legislation that's how it works, doesn't it? I don't know what particulars people had problems with in the Senate bill. It all seemed to make sense to me, and while I can understand cutting some of the provisions out of it, I don't understand putting tax-cuts in. You may think it's too expensive, but from what I've read, economists think it's not enough. At this point, I would prefer nothing. As long as 42% of it contains tax-cuts who needs it? Let the country sink.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:59 PM
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41. I don't think its too expensive. The opposite.
And I also think its not focused on the right areas. I don't give a damn about the tax cuts, incentives and rebates. Thats my issue.

There will be another bill, in response to jobs continually being shed.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:09 PM
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43. Ah well...I thought the original
bill had some great stuff in it. I really hope that nothing is passed.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

Creating Jobs, Cutting Taxes and Investing in Our Country’s Future

The United States is facing its deepest economic crisis since the Great Depression, one that calls for swift, bold action. The goals of this legislation are the same as they have been from day one: to strengthen the economy now and invest in our country’s future.

This legislation will create and save jobs; help state and local governments with their budget shortfalls to prevent deep cuts in basic services such as health, education, and law enforcement; cut taxes for working families and invest in the long-term health of our economy. We do all of this with unprecedented accountability, oversight and transparency so the American people know their money is being invested responsibly.

“The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 combines two essential ingredients needed to bring our economy back to life,” said Senate Appropriations Chairman Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii). “We will create four million jobs in the near-term, and invest in America’s future by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure for the long-term. In addition, this bill includes more than $301 billion to aid state and local governments as they struggle to meet increasing demand for social services amidst plummeting tax revenues. As we address this crisis, we must never lose sight of our responsibility to avoid wasteful spending by providing strict accountability and oversight measures. We must invest this money quickly, but also wisely.”

“Millions of Americans will get back to work and our economy will get back on track with the job-creating tax cuts and smart investments in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act,” said Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.). “Working families will get a financial boost, small businesses will finally catch a break, and the whole country will reap the benefits of a growing green energy sector, revitalized schools, and higher-quality health care. This bill has been carefully crafted to produce meaningful improvements to our economy in the short term, and to improve America’s fiscal strength and stability for the future.”

To accomplish these goals, The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act provides $888 billion in investments and tax cuts. Of this total, $694 billion will enter the economy by the end of Fiscal year 2010, meaning that 78 percent of the monies allocated will reach the American people by September 30, 2010, providing an immediate boost to the overall economy and creating an estimated four million jobs.

The Act provides for the following critical investments:

* Tax cuts for Working Families - $247 billion
* Job-creating Investments in Infrastructure and Science - $165 billion
* Job-creating Investments in Health - $153 billion
* Job-creating Investments in Education and Training - $138 billion
* Job-creating Investments for an Energy Independent America - $82 billion
* Job-creating Tax Cuts for Small Businesses - $21 billion
* Helping Americans Hit Hard by the Economic Crisis - $72 billion
* Law Enforcement, Oversight, Other Programs - $10 billion

Tax Cuts for Working Families include:

- $142 billion in Making Work Pay tax credits will provide ninety-five percent of American workers with up to $500 in extra cash in their paychecks; married couples filing jointly can receive up to $1000 total.

- $15 billion in tax cuts for families will give cash back to parents through an expansion of Earned Income Tax Credit for families with three or more children, additional marriage penalty relief for couples, and increased eligibility for the Refundable Child Tax Credit for lower-income families.

- $4 billion in tax cuts for homeowners will facilitate new home purchases with enhancements to the existing $7,500 homebuyer tax credit.

- $17 billion in one-time payments to seniors, disabled veterans and others will provide an immediately usable payment of $300 to seniors on Social Security, low-income recipients of Supplemental Security Income, disabled veterans and veterans on pensions, Railroad Retirement beneficiaries, and others who may not qualify for the Making Work Pay.

- $70 billion in Alternative Minimum Tax relief will protect 24 million working families from thousands of dollars in additional income taxes for 2009

Job-Creating Investments in Infrastructure and Science include:

Infrastructure Improvements

- $16 billion to repair, renovate and construct public schools in ways that will raise energy efficiency and provide greater access to information technology, and $3.5 billion to improve higher education facilities.

- $16 billion in tax credit bonds and tax-exempt bond improvements will finance job-rich projects in the public and private sectors, to build and renovate schools and to make other infrastructure improvements at the state and local level, in national recovery zones and on Native reservations.

- $9 billion for the National Telecommunications and Information Administration’s (NTIA) Broadband Technology Opportunities Program. This competitive grant funding will increase broadband access and usage in unserved and underserved areas of the Nation, which will better position the U.S. for economic growth, innovation, and job creation.

- $5.1 billion for the Department of Homeland Security to secure the homeland and promote economic activity.

- $4.6 billion in funding for the Corps of Engineers.

- $3.7 billion for VA hospital and medical facility construction and improvements, long-term care facilities for veterans, and improvements at VA national cemeteries.

- $3.4 billion for repair, restoration and improvement of public facilities at parks, forests, refuges and on other public and tribal lands.

- $3.2 billion for Facilities Sustainment, Restoration and Modernization to be used to invest in energy efficiency projects and to improve the repair and modernization of Department of Defense facilities to include Defense Health facilities.

- $2.4 billion for Department of Defense Facilities including quality of life and family-friendly military construction projects such as family housing and child care centers.

- $2.25 Billion for the HOME Investment Partnerships Program block grant to enable state and local government, in partnership with community-based organizations, to acquire, construct, and rehabilitate affordable housing and provide rental assistance to poor families.

- $110 million in tax incentives to build broadband capacity in rural and underserved areas will grow jobs in the technology sector and create economic opportunities in targeted areas

Transportation

- $27 billion is included for highway investments

- $8.4 billion for investments in public transportation.

- $5.5 billion for competitive grants to state and local governments for transportation investments.

- $1.3 billion for investments in our air transportation system.

- $3.1 billion for investments in rail transportation, including High Speed Rail.

- $830 million for repair and restoration of roads on park, forest, tribal and other public lands.

Public Housing

- $5 billion to the public housing capital fund to enable local public housing agencies to address a $32 billion backlog in capital needs -- especially those improving energy efficiency in aging buildings.

- $2.1 billion for full-year payments to owners receiving Section 8 project-based rental assistance.

- $2.25 billion for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes.

- $1.5 billion for homeless prevention activities, which will be sent out to states, cities and local governments through the emergency shelter grant formula.

Environmental Clean-Up/Clean Water

- $6.4 billion is directed towards environmental cleanup of former weapon production and energy research sites.

- $6 billion for local clean and drinking water infrastructure improvements.

- $1.4 billion for EPA’s nationwide environmental cleanup programs, including Superfund.

- $1.4 billion to support $3.8 billion in loans and grants for needed water and waste disposal facilities in rural areas.

Science

- $1.5 billion total for NASA.

- $1.4 billion total for National Science Foundation (NSF) Research.

- $1.2 billion total for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA).

Job-Creating Investments in Health include:

- $23.9 billion for investments and incentives in health information technology (IT) will grow jobs in the information technology sector, and will jumpstart efforts to increase the use of health IT in doctors’ offices and other medical facilities. This will reduce health care costs and improve the quality of health care for all Americans.

- $5.8 billion for prevention and wellness programs to fight preventable diseases and conditions with evidence-based strategies.

- $3.5 billion to conduct biomedical research in areas such as cancer, Alzheimer’s, heart disease and stem cells, and to improve NIH facilities.

- $1.1 billion to the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, NIH and the HHS Office of the Secretary to evaluate the relative effectiveness of different health care services and treatment options.

- $870 million to complete funding for pandemic flu preparedness.

Job-Creating Investments in Education and Training include:

- $79 billion State Fiscal Stabilization Fund includes $39 billion to local school districts and public colleges and universities, distributed through existing State and federal formulas; $15 billion to States as incentive grants as a reward for meeting key education performance measures; and $25 billion to States for other high-priority needs such as public safety and other critical services, which may include education.

- $13 billion in tax cuts for college tuition and education will help students and their families afford four years of college, with a $2,500 tax credit and the ability to purchase computers and computer technology with funds from tax-free 529 Savings Plans.

- $13 billion for Title 1 to help close the achievement gap and enable disadvantaged students to reach their potential.

- $13 billion for Special Education/IDEA to improve educational outcomes for disabled children. This level of funding will increase the Federal share of special education services to its highest level ever.

- $13.9 billion to increase the Pell Grant maximum award and to pay for increases in program costs resulting from increased eligibility and higher Pell Grant awards. The bill supports an increased Pell Grant maximum award of $281 in the 2009-2010 academic year and $400 in the 2010-2011 academic year. This aid will help 7 million students pursue postsecondary education.

- $3.4 billion for job training including State formula grants for adult, dislocated worker, and youth programs (including $1.2 billion to create up to one million summer jobs for youth).

- $108 million in extended Trade Adjustment Assistance will help businesses retool to avoid trade-related layoffs, and provide workers with income support and retraining if international trade causes job losses

Job-Creating Investments and Tax Incentives in Energy include:

- $33 billion in green energy tax incentives will grow jobs in the renewable energy sector by encouraging private-sector investments in research and production of green energy with wind, biomass, hydropower, and other renewable sources

- $6 billion for repair of federal buildings to increase energy efficiency using green technology.

- $5.4 billion in tax incentives for conservation and green energy use will encourage and reward energy efficiency and the building of alternative fueling stations, and facilitate the funding of conservation projects to improve America’s energy independence and grow jobs in these sectors as well.

- $4.6 billion for Fossil Energy research and development.

- $4.5 billion for smart-grid related activities, including work to modernize the electric grid.

- $4.2 billion for Energy Efficiency and Conservation Grants.

- $2.9 billion is available for the Weatherization Assistance Program.

- $2.6 billion for energy efficiency and renewable energy research.

- $2 billion is provided in grant funding for the manufacturing of advanced batteries systems and components and vehicle batteries that are produced in the United States.

- $1.6 billion is provided for grants to make schools and hospitals, significant users of energy, more energy efficient.

- $10 billion is provided for new loan guarantees aimed at standard renewable projects such as wind or solar projects and for electricity transmission projects.

Job-Creating Tax Cuts and Investments for Small Businesses include:

- Approximately $21 billion in business tax relief and incentives will help businesses survive in growing markets, get financing for expansion, and get the money they need for payroll and expenses. Businesses will be able to more easily write off the cost of new equipment, write off more losses if they’re hard hit economically, delay or reduce some tax payments, and cash in unused tax credits.

- Loans for Small Businesses: $730 million to stimulate lending to small businesses.

- $208 million in Work Opportunity tax incentives will increase the hiring of disabled veterans and disadvantaged youths into the workforce

Help for Workers and Families Hardest Hit by the Economic Crisis includes:

- $87 billion in increased Medicaid funding will help states to respond to rising numbers of Americans seeking health coverage through Medicaid, to balance state budgets, and to deal with other fiscal pressures brought on by the economic crisis.

- $47 billion in unemployment insurance improvements will allow Americans who lose their jobs in the economic downturn to receive an extra $25 in their weekly benefits, receive unemployment insurance longer if needed, pay fewer taxes on unemployment benefits, and get help even if they need to move to part-time work or leave work for family reasons

- $26 billion in COBRA premium assistance will help workers who lose their jobs to keep health coverage longer with a 65% subsidy for COBRA premiums

- $16.5 billion for additional Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), formerly Food Stamps, benefits.

- $3 billion in Temporary Assistance to Needy Families funding will allow programs to better serve the country’s lowest-income families in this time of economic crisis

- $1.8 billion in Medicaid, Medicare, and Indian Health Service funds will allow Americans transitioning into the workforce from the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families program to keep health coverage through Medicaid longer, will assist low-income seniors and disabled Americans with Medicare premiums, and will help American Indians and Alaska Natives afford health care

- Child Care Development Block Grant: $2 billion to provide quality child care services for an additional 300,000 children in low-income families who increasingly are unable to afford the high cost of day care.

- Head Start & Early Head Start: $2.1 billion to allow an additional 124,000 children to participate in this program, which provides development, educational, health, nutritional, social and other activities that prepare children to succeed in school.

- State and Local Law Enforcement: $3.95 billion total to support law enforcement efforts.

Unprecedented Oversight, Accountability and Transparency

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan provides unprecedented oversight, accountability, and transparency to ensure that taxpayer dollars are invested effectively, efficiently, and as quickly as possible.

- Funds are distributed whenever possible through existing formulas and programs that have proven track records and accountability measures already in place.

- Numerous provisions in the bill provide for expedited but effective obligation of funds so that dollars are invested in the economy as quickly as possible.

- The Government Accountability Office and the Inspectors General are provided additional funding for auditing and investigating recovery spending.

- A new Recovery Act Accountability and Transparency Board will coordinate and conduct oversight of recovery spending and provide early warning of problems.

- A special website will provide transparency by posting information about recovery spending, including grants, contracts, and all oversight activities.

- State and local whistleblowers who report fraud and abuse are protected.

- There are no earmarks in this bill.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:03 PM
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61. Reid couldn't ram his way out
of a paper bag.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:30 PM
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5. I heard the biggest cuts are in Education ...
I guess Mordor doesn't need schools for the Orcs....
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:32 PM
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6. House bill TRIPLED federal spending on education... SenateDemocrats fucked that.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:33 PM
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:51 PM
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28. This should keep your typing hand busy 'till your pizza arrives
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:10 PM
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45. .
:spray:
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 10:21 PM
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47. Oh. My. Holy. Lord. .... I just went gay.
:puke:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:34 PM
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:33 PM
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9. A stimulus bill should be focused on stimulus - there is time to do other "good things"
I do want a bill that will increase jobs and prevent more job loss even if it excludes my pet project.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:39 PM
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20. We won't get progressive spending like this through in another bill.
That's the whole point.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 01:11 AM
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51. Defense spending isn't stimulus
In fact it's a big fucking black hole where money goes in, with absolutely no return whatsoever.

On the other hand, funding for food stamps and WIC damn sure does help a stimulus, but keeping people alive and healthy in the interim.

"Pet project"? Fuck you!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:24 AM
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53. And what exactly constitutes 'stimulus'?
Oddly it seems that, for example, building and repairing more roads is 'stimulus' while building and repairing more trains is 'not stimulus'. Why is that?
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 10:39 AM
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58. er...food stamps and education and health care ARE stimulus
don't buy the Republican spin.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:34 PM
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11. it will fail
sh'nough
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:40 PM
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21. It won't fail. It's going to pass. Makes me sick.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:50 PM
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27. The bill will pass my friend...
but its effect will fail..
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:34 PM
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12. Damn! The poor, women and children are screwed so the military/industrial complex can survive?
VERY disappointed by what I have heard so far.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:35 PM
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13. kick..r..
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:35 PM
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15. I do hope he sees this for what it is.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:39 PM
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:38 PM
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17. Compromising with the very goons that got us into this mess...
is a fucking mistake!! Dem have it all and they are going to roll over for those fuckwad repukes that linger on the Hill.

"Cut funding for head start? FOOD STAMPS? Violence against women? Child Nutrition?
INCREASE funding for DEFENSE SPENDING???" this is damn disgusting!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:41 PM
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22. Are the repukes looking to get a bill that they are sure will fail to do any stimulating??
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:10 PM
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44. That would be ideal from their point of view
And obviously they are working hard at it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:44 PM
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:47 PM
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25. Thank you mods!
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:49 PM
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26. Obama never promised to give the left 100%
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 07:51 PM by RiverStone
He campaigned to the middle - no red states, blue states etc.

I agree that our Dem leadership in both houses are total wimps, but getting 60-70% of what we want is about all that's realistic. Now if Dennis Kucinich got elected, maybe I'd hope for a higher percentage.

Still thrilled Obama won, but I've now been brought back down to earth.

As an aside, Head Start is administered very poorly and does not help those who want to help themselves (I'm a 20 year educator); the other things you mentioned (child nutrition etc.) should not have one dime cut from them!.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:55 PM
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29. Is NOT the final bill and we are currently 2 votes short
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:55 PM
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30. Thanks much mods!
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:59 PM
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31. So, Obama talks tough while senate Dems fold like cheap suits
Terrific.

Last night, Obama: "It is inexcusable and irresponsible to get bogged down in distraction and delay while millions of Americans are being put out of work. It is time for Congress to act."

Today, Reid: "Oh, please don't hurt us."
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:14 PM
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34. Harry Reid is like a noodle that's been left out in the rain for a few weeks.
Then a rat creeps over and swallows him up. Burp!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:20 PM
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The DEMS have been fighting back all week long!!!!
Go review the Senate sessions on the Jobs Stimulus Bill at C-Span!!

The Dems HAVE been fighting back... admirably!! :woohoo:
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 10:20 PM
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46. Umm... I've been watching every minute on C-span and you're full of shit.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:14 PM
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35. yup
that's what it looks like to me, too
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:18 PM
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36. They should issue red duct tape for all the rethugliCONS mouths!!


:D
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:20 PM
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37. That is what happens when you try to place nice with thugs.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:21 PM
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38. What's with all the name changes?
:shrug:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 06:06 PM
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59. I got tired of explaining my first choice,
but, now I have had to explain my second name twice already.:rofl:

If you would like to know what my new name means send me a message.;)
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:24 PM
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39. Investing in schools is investing in our common property, unlike banks/cars.
But of course, they go after the schools.

People never get it that the money that goes into their schools stays with their community. It's the best way to assure that the money is not used for some rich CEO or corporate vacation or sent overseas. And it guarantees local jobs.

People think money spent on their schools is money wasted. The opposite is the truth.

Plus, when your family situation is deteriorating, doesn't it make sense to invest in your kids, and keep the schools as a refuge for your kids?

Do we really think spending it on tanks makes more sense? No. It makes the legislators rich, because of their military contract kick-backs.

The smartest money you can spend is on your local school.

Plus, good luck holding the economy together when all the teachers sell their homes. Good luck with that.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:31 PM
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40. The heck with the Collins/ Nelson/ Spector/ LIEberman bill. Force a straight up or down vote, Sunday
Make the Pugs filibuster like they had to 30 years ago.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:07 PM
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 10:37 PM
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48. We need to spend our way out of this terrible depression!
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MedfordTim Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 10:44 PM
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49. Hate to simply add another "me too"

...but, me too.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:25 PM
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64. Me three.
Or is it me 50 at this point? I'm not sure. It's disheartening either way.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 10:55 PM
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50. Trouble is ...
President Obama and Congress believe that present and future working people should continue feeding the rich. Otherwise we might all end up being middle-class working people; including President Obama and Congresspeople.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 01:43 AM
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52. Don't forget the tax cuts. i'm sure they'll pull us right out of this.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:41 AM
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54. maybe Obama should just attach a "signing statement" to the bill . . .
that re-allocates the funds the way he wants them allocated . . . that'll teach 'em! . . .
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:42 AM
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55. Yep. Just another day in the Inverted Totalitarianism that once was the USA.
Which is to say...sadly, it looks like you may be right.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 10:07 AM
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56. We keep electing corporate conservatives to Congress...
...and then feign surprise when they give birth to more corporate conservatism.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 10:33 AM
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57. Are there any breaks at all for fixed income/retired couples?????????
It seems like all I hear about is "kids. kids, kids & families" for cryin out loud.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 06:16 PM
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60. Remember The Bill Must Go Through Conference
eom
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:11 PM
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62. The House has the power of the purse
And the Senate apparently the power to say "Go fuck yourselves"
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:14 PM
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63. END THE GOD DAMN WAR ALREADY!!!!
Shit, if we ever needed an excuse, now is the time. Why is it that all these necessary programs are getting cut to make room for more spending on the military? Holy shit, come on Obama, do it already!!! :mad:
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:37 PM
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65. Too late to K&R but not too late to
:kick:
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:39 PM
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66. I Want Guillotines in Time Square for the Bankers

I think progressives will get their way, eventually.

We can eat this elephant, one bite at a time.

Brick by brick, citizens, brick by brick!
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:42 PM
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67. I have no idea that Food Stamps
has to do with stimulating the economy. I don't have a problem with food stamps, but this was supposed to be abot getting people jobs building roads, wind farms, subways etc etc. All this random spending is NOT supposed to be in the bill. If it doesn't have to do with jobs, it doesn't belong in the bill.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:42 PM
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68. i'm starting to hate the repukes with more passion than ever...

seriously, SCREW bipartisanship.

these people are basically psychopaths with ZERO empathy for their fellow human beings and all-encompassing greed as their primary, if not the only, motivation.
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