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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:59 PM
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Kerry-US stimulus deal 42 pct tax cuts - Geithner mentions the 40%
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 09:01 PM by slipslidingaway
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/02/06/afx6020871.html

"WASHINGTON, Feb 6 (Reuters) - Democratic and Republican senators are close to agreement on a $780 billion economic stimulus package that would include 42 percent tax cuts and 58 percent new government spending, Democratic Senator John Kerry said on Friday.

'It appears as if there's a deal,' he told reporters. 'Forty-two percent of this is tax cuts ... the differential is the spending. It's a good balance.' "



FINANCE COMMITTEE QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD
United States Senate
Committee on Finance
Hearing on
Confirmation of Mr. Timothy F. Geithner to be
Secretary of the U.S. Department of Treasury
January 21, 2009


http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/leg/LEG%202009/012209%20TFG%20Questions.pdf

page 73


"...5. How can you argue that many provisions of the stimulus bill will have any
appreciable simulative effect? Which ones?

A key measure of President Obama’s American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is
that it should save or create at least 3 million American jobs by the end of 2010.
Proposals that create and save jobs have a definite stimulative effect.

The elements of the President’s proposal that are related to such items as school
repair, infrastructure and energy will likely have job growth in the manufacturing and
construction industries. Proposals, such as the middle-class tax cut and fiscal relief to
states are likely to help save or create jobs in all sectors of the economy.
When then-President-elect Obama met with the bipartisan Congressional leadership,
he said he wanted 40% of the “stimulus” package to be tax relief. The package
unveiled by the House allocates only 32% to tax cuts. And even there, a big portion
of the tax cuts are really spending – and will be scored as such by Congress – because
they provide money through the tax code to people who do not pay income taxes.
These are the “refundable credits.”

6. When then-President-elect Obama met with the bipartisan Congressional
leadership, he said he wanted 40% of the “stimulus” package to be tax relief.
The package unveiled by the House allocates only 32% to tax cuts. And even
there, a big portion of the tax cuts are really spending – and will be scored as
such by Congress – because they provide money through the tax code to people
who do not pay income taxes. These are the “refundable credits.”

What portion of the “stimulus” package will be dedicated to actual tax cuts i.e.
revenue reductions?

The answer partly depends upon the legislative process. As you know, there are
currently two bills that are moving through the Congress. At this point, it is unclear
what the final product will be. President Obama has proposed both spending and
revenue proposals that he feels provides the right combination to bring growth back
to this economy. Of course, if confirmed, I look forward to working with the
Committee as these bills proceed.

7. Will you work with the Senate Finance Committee to increase the tax relief
potion to equal 40% of the package?

It is important to consider the totality of the plan. As you know, President Obama has
proposed significant tax reductions. If confirmed, I will work with you and the entire
Finance Committee to find the optimal mix of spending and revenue provisions that
provide the needed growth and recovery to the economy...."






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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:01 PM
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1. A big win for Rush Limbaugh...
What, didn't he say 48% (McCain's vote). But hell, this is close enough to call it a win. Pretty powerful for a fat ass drug addict.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:04 PM
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2. Rush Limbaugh didn't win shit, and
neither did the Republicans. Rejected!



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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:05 PM
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4. So thats all progressive tax cuts?
Just curious
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:08 PM
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5. The only things that are debatable:
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 09:08 PM by ProSense
Housing and car credits. Still, the housing credit, which will most likely not survive in its current form, was voted for by nearly all the Dems. I guess they wanted something in there to work out in Conference. The car credit was proposed by a Dem.

There is also a bill, which Kerry co-sponsored, addressing low-income housing.

We'll soon find out the details.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:12 PM
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6. All other tax cuts are not debatable in a stimulus bill?
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 09:12 PM by Oregone
Even Ol' Uncle Milton isn't a huge proponent of tax cuts for stimulus. But sure, fine. We wont debate them.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:17 PM
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9. Which ones do you want to debate? n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:12 PM
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7. You listen to Rush?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:13 PM
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8. Haha..no, but that garbage was posted all over here last week.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:20 PM
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10. Looks like it is a win for the Obama team....
:shrug:

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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:23 PM
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12. These are middle class tax cuts. Rush didn't win shit
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:18 PM
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14. But just consider...
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 11:18 PM by Oregone
Is it the liberal economic theory (or any sound one for that fucking matter) that tax cuts can immediately inject money to stimulate an economy? Its kind of an expensive concession in a stimulus bill. If they are all middle-class, thats great (but maybe they'd be better placed in a tax reformation bill). Whatever, hopefully itll work. If it provides proper relief to those that need it, that is great, but the government needs to go a lot further in the tax area to fix things, such as increasing the top marginal rate (and this wasn't the bill to do it to be honest).

I just wonder, could that money of been used at this moment more efficiently to stimulate the economy? What are the top proven ways to provide immediate stimulus? Are tax cuts among them (maybe Ive been reading too much Krugman lately)?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:25 PM
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13. Obama didn't sign anything yet - just a reminder.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:04 PM
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3. Tax cuts for who? I do recall tax cuts considered for the middle class. nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:21 PM
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11. Just heard the Kerry quote, which was the % mentioned by Geithner
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:53 PM
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15. kick n/t
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