I just saw "Sicko"

[EraOfResponsibility]

I'm moving to France. :freak:

[Oregone]

1. What are you waiting for?

[Idealism]

2. Can't argue with 30 hour work weeks and a month paid vacation a year

[EraOfResponsibility]

3. QUESTION: Is that anti-Michael Moore website still up

?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

4. That reminds me, and thank you,

that I never got around to watching my free download of "Slacker Uprising."

I just pulled it up.

Thanks for reminding me of MM.

:toast:

[defendandprotect]

5. Hasn't been shown on TV --- !!! And wasn't sold in local shops . . .

that I'm aware of --

Additionally, my library which has like two and three of the junkiest films

you can imagine -- has ONE copy of "Sicko"--!!!

Unfortunately, we've have a religious influence on the library moving in over

the last decade --- and religion seems to make you too comatose to understand

national health care: Repugs are against it and why ask questions about that--- ???!!!

[NV Whino]

6. I sometimes buy the DVD

and, after watching it, donate it to my local library. I did that with Fahrenheit 911.

[defendandprotect]

9. I do that, as well . . .

In this case, for some reason I haven't yet bought "Sicko" ---

HOWEVER . . . last time I had to push them to buy "Inconvenient Truth" which was

out a long time --- and meanwhile, I gave them my copy.

One copy now seems to be missing ---

And I donated a second copy of "Who Stole the Electric Car?" and they "stored" the

second copy of it somewhere!!

So -- note what I'm saying about right-wing/religious influences over our library!!!

And watch your library!!

This began with lots of religious books being bought.

And, now all of our personnel at the library seems to be being shifted ---

Formerly all women ran the library -- excellently!!

Now, males keep appearing --- and lots of new female faces.

I'm sure you recall that librarians -- usually females -- have created a lot of heat

for those who want to censor books. One way to get around that is to move them out.

[NV Whino]

16. I have a really good library

But at one point I found (and actually took home not knowing what it was when I picked it up) a "Christian" book on the new books shelf. After reading a few pages and realizing what it was, I marched it back to the library and requested that they keep the religious shit out of the new books section. They complied.

[Cid_B]

30. Was it a new book?

Or are you saying that a religious group had put some literature of their own in there?

In any case you sound a bit testy about the whole thing.

[defendandprotect]

47. Well . . . these Christian books are being paid for by taxpayers . . .

and, unfortunately, legitimately on the new-non-fiction shelves.

Eventually, they began to include books critical of Christianity and religion which

has been helpful, IMO. Hope they keep it up!

[Idealism]

8. It is in HBO's que currently

If you have On-Demand from them you can watch it whenever. Otherwise, you can check the TV guide and catch it (if you have HBO).

[defendandprotect]

11. What concerns me is that the GENERAL public hasn't seen it . . .

My library has it and I'll probably buy a copy -- I usually buy MM's movies.

This is like Comcast removing the Senate from the basic line up --

people who might ordinarily come across the Senate as they surfed might stop

or even just note the weekend debate on the budget and what is going on.

YES . . . they can go to other means of seeing the Senate -- but it is not the same

thing.

Just like not having SICKO play let's say on NBC ... fewer people will see it.


PS: I HAVE seen it numerous times!

[Idealism]

13. Not to sound conspiracy theorist like but

A movie like "Sicko" isn't in these transnationals best interest to get shown. Sick and twisted, but then again, not surprising. They are always about looking out for number one.

[defendandprotect]

17. Indeed, that's what I was pointing to . . .

but whatever the block -- the reality remains that many haven't seen SICKO at this

really crucial time in our "health care" crisis -- with, hopefully, an opportunity

opening re Obama . . . ??

[Idealism]

21. Intellectual property rights is high on the corporatists agenda

Michael Moore, noticing this, released Slacker Uprising online for absolutely free. Wish he would have done it with Sicko, but he was more hoping to sway the election and hope to get a health care change with a Democrat in office I suppose

[sohndrsmith]

31. I don't blame him for wanting to earn income from his work - but it would be awfully nice

if one could download it for a fee from his website or something. Not everyone has showtime or HBO... it sounds like a movie that would be beneficial if it were highly accessible to a lot of people. I haven't seen it because I don't have Showtime or HBO, don't have a video rental account and am addicted to libraries but don't have good access to one anymore, much less a good one (I still like it, but I just can't get there too often).

I would, however, buy it off his website if that were possible.

(France is way underrated and undeservedly maligned in general - I never could get that. I haven't been there for 20 years, but it's wonderful - I love it there and I'd love to live there).

[Parker CA]

20. Awesome. Thanks for the info. Set to record tomorrow. n/t.

[dysfunctional press]

26. it's on showtime this month as well, i believe.

[spanone]

10. it's on cable now....hbo or one of them...watched it the other night

[defendandprotect]

12. The concern is that . . .

the general public see it ---

lots of people have HBO -- many don't.

[Lorien]

22. My closest library-in a crappy strip mall- has six copies

and just as many of "an Inconvenient truth". Even more amazing; this is in Florida!

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. I bought it at Target

[smokey nj]

37. It was on one of the Showtime channels last night, finally. I caught it about halfway through.

[nxylas]

51. Many churches are actively campaigning for universal heathcare

Including, IIRC, Bush's own United Methodist Church.

[blue_onyx]

7. I just watched it too

Very good film. It's depressing that the most powerful country in the world can't enact a better health care system than we have now.

[EraOfResponsibility]

15. It is, very depressing

:(

[SammyWinstonJack]

50. Not CAN'T enact a better health care system, WON'T enact a better health care system.

With 4 health care lobbyists to everyone 1 congresscritter, well you get the picture.

[1]

14. its on showtime. it premiered tonight...

edit: and it is showing many times throughout the month of february...

[dysfunctional press]

27. it was on a couple times earlier this week on showtime as well.

nt

[defendandprotect]

18. Had I known any of this when I was 20, I would be in France, myself--!!!

[defendandprotect]

19. Had I known any of this when I was 20, I'd be in France now . . .

Americans have been propagandized on the capitalist American "dream" -- myth.

[4lbs]

23. There was also a recent article on MSNBC I believe that detailed France's health care system

allows them to catch major diseases like the various cancers much earlier than they usually are in the US. That's because people in France tend to visit the doctor 4 to 6 times per year for simple, regular, routine checkups, versus just once a year or once every couple of years in the US.

Therefore, when a cancer is seen on a screening, it's usually no more than a few months old, compared to almost a year in the US. That ~9 month differential is huge in the ability to treat, and remove the cancerous cells.

Also, by catching the cancers early, treatment is much cheaper, thus actually decreasing the overall cost of cancer treatment. Less radiation, chemo, hospital time, and rehabilitation is required.

[EraOfResponsibility]

28. reading that makes me both sad and angry at this country's healthcare system.

[DFW]

32. Same here in Germany

My wife is German, and she works in Germany, (I work all
of Europe for an American outfit, but that's another story).

When she was diagnosed with cancer, she was sent to one of Europe's top breast cancer clinics
in Düsseldorf. Two operations, a brutal round of chemo, weeks of radiation, and a month at
a rehab spa in the Black Forest--German health insurance paid for everything including the
train trip down to the Black Forest where the rehab spa had a bus to take her and her
fellow cancer patients to the spa. She needed one follow-up operation two years later, but
she has now been cancer-free for 6 years. Her treatment cost the German health system,
according to an American health specialist, somewhere between half and a third of what it
would have cost in the USA, and it was top treatment from start to finish.

It's sad to think that I have to be glad that my own wife got sick in a country other
than my own because she might have enjoyed better care and at no cost to us (other than
her high taxes, which were repaid via her cancer treatment three times over).

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. I want my govt to do my laundry for me

:)

[TWiley]

36. Huh?

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. Watch SICKO

You'll get it then.

[TWiley]

43. I did watch it ..... what does that have to do with the govt doing laundry?

Are you saying that you want to keep the government out of health care?

[proud2BlibKansan]

44. Did you sleep through the part where he told about the French sending help with housework

after a person has been in the hospital?

And at the end when he carried his laundry up the steps of the capitol?

Pretty big part of the movie.

[TWiley]

45. I saw the movie a very long time ago

I should see it again because obviously I have forgotten many parts.

[defendandprotect]

38. No small thing having some family assistance after the birth of a baby .. . !!!

Imagine that's very comforting for the family --- helpful to the child's wellbeing.

Today in America we have tremendous numbers of Cesareans with a longer recovery and

some at home help I imagine would be a wise investment.

Ain't happening here!

[nxylas]

52. Happens in Britain too

New mothers always have a health visitor check in on them for the first 6 months or so.

[Blue_Tires]

29. easily the best work he's done

which is why so many pols and media heads try to pretend the movie never existed...

[KillCapitalism]

33. Good luck getting in.

France has an extremely restrictive immigration policy.

[Baikonour]

34. Pharmaceuticals need to be socialized.

I can't even begin to wonder how much scientific progress in terms of real treatments and cures has been held back all these years by these scum.

[defendandprotect]

39. ...and how much NATURAL medicine ---

[TWiley]

Why not Cuba?

shit, even they have a better system that the U.S. does

[proud2BlibKansan]

The right wingers heads explode when you tell them that Cubans are healthier than we are.

:rofl:

[TWiley]

35. .

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[a la izquierda]

40. I think even in Mexico the healthcare...

is better.

I got very ill in Mexico last summer. At first I thought it was "turista" and that it would go away. But after two days of not being able to keep anything, including liquids, in my body, my host mom took me to her gastroenterologist. I had bought international health insurance, but he said it would be easier and cheaper for him and for me to just do without that. I paid him his $300 peso fee (about $26 USD at the time), got great medical care in a very nice private office. That included the testing I needed done. No forms to fill out. To top it off, my prescriptions cost $100 pesos for three different meds.

Granted, there's a two tiered system here, where poor people go to free clinics and hospitals...but for god's sake, they can get medical care. I only buy medical insurance when I'm here in case something drastic happens.

[Liberal_in_LA]

42. lol. Wait until the riots are over.

[area51]

46. K&R

And if we had guaranteed healthcare, bosses wouldn't have such a huge 16-ton weight dangling over our heads, and it would remove a lot of the excuse for age discrimination in jobs.

Every day, 273 people die due to lack of healthcare in the U.S.

Get the facts on single-payer healthcare.

[Blue_Tires]

48. ttt

[Xenotime]

49. It might change...Obama is putting us back on track.