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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:41 PM
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Fuck the "fiscal conservative" republicans
These so called "fiscal conservatives" are complaining about spending hundreds of billions of dollars on a stimulus bill. Where were these assholes when Bush was spending $3.9 TRILLION on tax cuts for the wealthy? The Bush tax cuts cost 4-5 times as much as the stimulus package.

In addition, each tax cut dollar only translates into $1.02 of economic growth. Stimulus spending (ie, on jobs) puts back $1.57 into the economy for each dollar spent.

These "fiscal conservative" republicans are simply a mouthpiece for the wealthy and the corporations, and I'm tired of being called financially irresponsible for supporting a stimulus that might actually help our economy. The real financial irresponsibility started with Reagan, continued with Bush I, and was brought to a rousing, shit-stinking crescendo by little Georgie over the last eight years.

Hey republicans - go fuck yourselves! WE WON.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:42 PM
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1. 3.9 trillion? Huh? nt
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:00 AM
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7. Check out the links from the Center on Budget & Policy Priorities
http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-04tax-sum.htm

"If the Administration’s latest tax proposals — which would make permanent most of the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 and establish new tax cuts on top of that — are enacted, the long-term results are likely to be even more troubling. Over the next 10 years, total tax-cut costs will equal $3.9 trillion, reaching nearly $600 billion or 3.3 percent of the economy in 2014 alone. (These calculations include the effects of the higher interest payments caused by the tax cuts.) The resulting higher deficits will slow future economic growth, saddle future generations with sizable interest payments, and leave the nation ill-prepared not only for the retirement of baby boomers but also for responding to potential future crises — from security matters to natural or environmental disasters — the particulars of which are unknown today."

http://www.cbpp.org/1-31-07tax.htm

"Without offsets, making the tax cuts permanent would increase the deficit and thereby add to the national debt. The interest payments needed to service this higher level of debt would amount to about $700 billion over the next ten years. Thus, the total cost of making these tax cuts permanent, including the related interest costs, would be $4.4 trillion over the ten-year period "
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:45 PM
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2. Will SOMEBODY attack the BORROW and SPEND Republicans?
Edited on Sat Feb-07-09 11:45 PM by Joe Bacon
Is it TOO MUCH to ask ONE SINGLE DEMOCRAT in Congress to do that?

The assholes in the Republic Party ALWAYS spit out the "Tax and Spend" shit when it comes to Democrats, but not one Democrat ever throws out the phrase BORROW AND SPEND REPUBLICANS?

Why do Congressional Democrats ALWAYS lay down and die????
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:48 PM
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4. I say "Borrow and Waste".
Edited on Sat Feb-07-09 11:49 PM by HughBeaumont
The reason being is that sometimes the term "spend" implies a return of some sort. Have we seen any . . . "returns" from 28 years of GOP CEO governance, besides one heaping mound of bison shit to bury the middle/working/poor classes under?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:46 AM
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15. "Borrow and waste". I like it. nt
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:56 PM
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6. That's exactly what I'm saying
It really pisses me off that I'm being called irresponsible for supporting spending to fix the actual irresponsibility of failed trickle-down republicans. And now Senate Democrats have bent over and let the republicans have their way with them. Even though we have a damn sizable majority.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:46 AM
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14. Thanks, Joe Bacon! Someone needed
to say it. We need some pitbull spokesmen, not with lipstick.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:47 PM
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3. I love how all of a sudden defecits matter.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:49 PM
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5. Fiscal Conservatives.....them ole trough licker's.
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:06 AM
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8. We did not win.
Obama won the presidency but the real battle is just beginning. These are the people who wanted Kennedy, King and Kennedy dead for daring to stand against their agenda of world domination. They sabotaged Carter. They stole at least two presidential elections. Now that they have nearly reduced us to miserable subservient poverty they have no intention of letting anyone ruin it for them. They invented every dirty trick in the book, and they still have many hands on many levers.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:09 AM
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9. They call our president "The Obamassiah"
There must be something to that, because were seeing a lot of "born again" deficit hawks lately.
Is there nothing Barack Obama can't do?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:15 AM
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11. They, among others.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:12 AM
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10. These same people think nothing about hte billions spent on both of our BS wars.
Or the unending war on drugs.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:52 AM
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12. I hate the rich
and their "fiscal conservative" cheap labor toadies in congress .Those few TOADIES are being treated too nice by the Dem's,why the Dem's think"bi Partisanship is anything but capitulation to assholes, I'll never know.. Conservatives of any kind are shit heads and stupid,fucked up toadies, elected by the non thinking callous selfish asshole population of fucked up insecure bullies and bully enablers ,ever emotionally stunted who like to think of president as their "daddy".When will the Dem's STAND UP to these pieces of shit and destroy them on TV, and forever demonstrate their FAILED economic voodoo reaganite bullshit is BULLSHIT? Why don't the Dem's call them all a bunch of greedy children, selfish,stupid pampered pigs to their brown noses and hog jowl faces? The Dem's need to let these fuckers know they had their day and they LOST because they are fucking STUPID incompetent corporate ass kissing fools.
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:01 AM
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13. Since Reagan the GOP haven't given a fuck about
fiscal conservatism. All the politics since then has been arguments about what to spend the money on. Once Reagan's policies disproved the dogma that deficit spending causes inflation (by running up record deficits at that time) it all changed. And if he didn't think he needed to do it to get narrowly reelected, Bush wouldn't have pushed the Medicare prescription drug bill in '04.
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scrinmaster Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:57 AM
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16. How exactly is cutting taxes spending money?
There's a difference between spending money, and taking in less money. If I get a pay cut, I don't say I spending x dollars, I'd say I was getting x fewer dollars.
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cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:03 PM
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17. Fiscal conservative mantra 'Fuck the poor'
Of course pissing away trillions on a senseless war is perfectly justified, Bush said so!
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