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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 07:59 AM
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The most fascinating part of the Hudson Landing for me is
the idiot-media's amazement at the sheer competence of the pilot and flight crew.

This is the greatest evidence of The Impostor Phenomenon permeating the media: these MSM 'folks' are incompetent, lack intellect, lack prowess, lack competence in EVERY field except looking good and being able to routinely segue to another 'correspondent' on the air .

These people are aware that in the same position, asked to be as competent in their field, if you want to call it that, as the pilot of the aircraft,they would have crashed the plane into a school or the GW Bridge. Much as I was not fond of Peter Jennings, his mastery of the medium on 9/11 was remarkable. Joey s. or Mika Mouse would be stammering and ridiculous. How do I know this? Because they are stammering and ridiculous when they aren't' being 'tested'.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 08:04 AM
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1. That's a good comparison. If the MSM was acting like Sully,
they would have stopped fellating the Republicans years ago. Instead, the majority of interviewees are from the right and the MSM never bothers to bring up pesky little issues like how those same Republicans ruined the economy.
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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 08:09 AM
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2. What if the water had been 15 feet deeper?
The plane would have sunk like a stone. The captain took a calculated risk
that turned out o.k.. Maybe he knew how deep the water was, but I haven't seen anything about this.

We were all very lucky.

Scuba
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:52 AM
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5. Your comment surprises me...
My impression of the landing was that the captain put the plane down in a way, nose up, tail down (just right, like Goldilocks) that enabled it to float on the surface.
Yes, it sank, but slowly, as water entered at the lowest points. Do you believe that the plane was actually resting on the river bottom and not the water surface immediately after it landed?
Doesn't the fact that it got lower and lower in the water as time passed argue against that?
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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:49 PM
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11. If it were suspended then it would have flowed with the current,
it would not have remained stationary. Part of the plane must have been resting on the bottom. The pics of the nose up postition clearly show open doors over the wings, which would allow the air to escape from the front section of the plane causing it to be filled with water only to sink.

This is a case of the pilot picking the lesser evil, that of water versus hard ground. Luck was with him. Yes, it took skill to land the plane in water, but I believe if it were a bit deeper thinks would have been very grim indeed.

Scuba

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:04 AM
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6. How can deeper water affect the sinkability of the plane?
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:28 PM
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8. Deep water makes things sink faster.
Just like heavy things fall faster.

Duh.
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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:40 PM
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12. Perhaps it was floating on the surface.
After researching this particular aspect of the crash I found the A320 is equipped with a "ditching switch" which allows it to float much longer than a typical plane. The Hudson is about 45 to 50 feet deep at the point of the crash, and the plane is about 39 feet tall (probably at the top of the tail) and 129 feet long. From the pics I saw it appeared that the rear of the plane was resting on the bottom.

Maybe it was floating the entire time. With all the open doors this goes against logic, especially considering the floating performance of other planes, but hey, this plane is different. At this point I must retract my previous statements.

Best,
Scuba

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scubadude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:43 PM
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13. Heavy things do fall faster than lighter things. Duh.
Unless they are both falling in a vacuum...

Best,
Scuba
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:33 PM
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9. dupe delete
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 03:34 PM by yodoobo
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:33 PM
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10. It did sink
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 03:34 PM by yodoobo
But it stayed afloat long enough to get the pax off and then be tied up albeit underwater.

There are so nice pics on the google of it being raised, and then later rolling down a city street.

In any event, planes are not boats and are not water tight. They are designed to float for a little while though

In this case a passenger incorrectly cracked open a rear emergency exit which caused water to enter faster than normal, but even if no door was ever opened, that plan would have sunk as water entered various pressure valves and the luggage compartment.

Besides, the water could have been 2,000ft deep and it would have sank in the same amount of time. Would have made recovery harder though.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 08:50 AM
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3. The MSM thinks Joe the Plumber phony types make America tick
They totally misrepresent how the real world functions - i.e the flight crew of 1549.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:02 AM
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4. They just spent the last 8 years ass kissing the incompetent
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:27 PM
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7. Just was we are "amazed" at the how articualte and thoughtful Obama is
how, right before he entered the state for taking the oath of office, he paused and reflected.
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