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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:46 PM
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Cenk: Why Firing Phelps Might Cost Kellogg More Customers

By Cenk Uygur

Kellogg Co. recently for admitting he smoked marijuana (after a picture of him taking a bong hit came out on the press). This is a decision that would have been absolutely justified in 1955. But this is 2009. No one gives a damn. In fact, they are more likely to lose customers than gain them by making such a public display of their displeasure.

You know how many people have smoked marijuana in America? A whopping . That is a huge chunk of the country Kellogg has just personally insulted because they are saying implicitly that their behavior is so wrong that they would fire them over it.

But what's worse is the even larger percentage who don't care if anyone else smokes marijuana and are turned off by anyone else who judges them for it. Now, I'm not a pothead. I don't think hemp is the answer for all of our problems (you know someone smokes a lot of pot when they feverishly tell you that you can make pants out of hemp - yes, but is that what you do with it?) . But I - and everyone else I know - could not possibly care less if someone else wants to smoke pot.

Yes, there is still a certain percentage of the country that is mental about this. They have no problem if their son drinks two gallons of alcohol, but a joint and they lose it. I think this is a cultural thing more than anything else. I think pot represents hippies, liberals and all that's wrong with America to them. And yes, this is about 25% of the country.

But what about the other 75%? You annoy them when you side with the prudish minority. You offend their sensibilities when you kowtow to the puritan zealots. Every single person I have spoken to says they are less likely to buy Kellogg products now that they have fired Michael Phelps. Not because we love Michael Phelps, not because we think you can make pants out of hemp, but because it seems like they are choosing sides in the culture war. And it's the wrong side.

Now, advertisers are scared to death of doing anything political. But this firing is political. You are choosing sides with the minority of the country that cares about so-called moral improprieties like this. As a business, is that the side you want to be on? Do you really want to go against the interest of the sizeable majority?

The country has changed dramatically since the 1950's. And it appears the only people who haven't caught on to this are advertisers. You are no longer protecting your brand when you are prudish and overly careful. You just seem out of touch. Ozzie and Harriet don't exist anymore, so why are you still trying to sell them products?

Unfortunately, this outmoded way of thinking for the advertisers has enormous implications for our media, too. The sponsors are the boss. If they want plain, vanilla, boring, unchallenging programming - that is exactly what they'll get. They are scared to death of advertising in anything that pushes the envelope. So, interesting, edgy programs get edged out (or they go to HBO).

So, this antiquated mindset isn't just annoying and counterproductive, it causes the watering down of all entertainment. Whenever a big advertiser comes into a new program, the first thing they want you to do is tone down everything you do. It makes everything on television more boring, less challenging and ultimately more fake. Sponsors believe fake sells. If you're too honest or if you act like a real human being, as Phelps did the other day, then you have to be avoided at all costs. Otherwise Ozzie and Harriet will be offended. That would be true if they hadn't died thirty years ago.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:47 PM
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1. We don't consume Kellogg junk anyway...
but if we did I'd happily boycott them.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:03 PM
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33. Same here..I haven't eaten anything Kellogg
since the '60's.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:50 PM
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2. He's right. I don't care about the Olympics or Phelps, but Kellogg's wide stance against pot
is reason enough to boycott them.

Besides, I only eat organic cereal or General Mills' Cheerios.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:52 PM
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3. The Board of Kellogs
is probably made up primarily of the 50 and 60 year olds that make up board across America, especially in large corporations.

They have almost no connection to "normal" people.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:53 PM
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4. I would think it would require a major case of the munchies just to eat their sugary shit.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:58 PM
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5. I think the NFL and NBA have shown
proactive drug punishment beyond what the law requires provides no rewards. The thought was the sports were losing viewership due to the activities of their players. By being proactive and forcing players to accept harsh fines and suspensions for activities done off the field, the thought was the public would accept the sports as being clean and more fan friendly. They would nip negative stories in the bud and prevent massive negative stories from dominating news. The result has been just the opposite. The media has now become ever more focused on even minor infractions. Small local news stories now all become national news. The suspension, appeal and final verdict process has dragged the story out longer than they previously had. Today the activities of the sports off the field has become even more heavily and negatively covered by the media than ever. The lesson should be to not go out of your way to create your own negative news. Sadly to many companies are still stuck in the 1980s mentality of proactive policies lead to rewards by the media. All evidence shows they don't.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:02 PM
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6. Here is great stoner ad...
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:03 PM
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7. Hard not to contrast their reaction to Phelps vs. their reaction to Salmonella laced peanut butter.
The former they handled without hesitation. The latter? :shrug:
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:03 PM
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8. Only 42%?
I'm shocked.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:36 PM
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23. That's how many would admit it in an interview
My guess is that it's more likely 60% or thereabouts.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:04 PM
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9. Their products probably kill more people than marijuana does
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:20 PM
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13. No kidding, what with gmo corn and hfcs and god knows what else. nt
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:35 PM
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18. Exactly. Not to mention a pathetic lack of fiber despite the laughable and misleading labels.
This whole "multigrain" fraud id despicable. Hell, often times even "whole grain" doesn't mean much if only amounts to a tiny fiber total per serving.

Don't they make those NutriGrain bars? Maybe that's a different company.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:56 PM
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29. I don't know, I don't buy the shi..stuff. I do know that a lot of organic products got bought up by
them and they promptly corrupted the brand names they had just bought. Crazy.

My rule is don't buy value-added, grow and cook your own. And if you can't grow it, seek out local organic growers to buy it from. Whenever possible, and fortunately that's getting more and more possible.

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:00 PM
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30. I agree that's a good way to live.
Unfortunately it can also be a more expensive way to live, and it's harder to get a lot of things in cold climates (like Chicago right now...despite our short lived warm front).
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:20 PM
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35. You are right about $$. Staying away from value-added and meat helps me with the expense.
I also try to buy things like grains and beans in bulk when I can. Can't always be local though. And doing my own canning. Oh yes, my mom was a survivor of The First Great Republican Depression, I learned some handy habits from her. This year I grow and dry my own beans, should be interesting.

I love Chicago, I was there a couple of years ago for the Green Festival. Beautiful city. And Farmers' Markets were taking root IIRC. Some people have it even worse, I have a friend who lived in farm country Colorado and still no local farmers' markets (mostly corporate ag), plus very difficult to find organic! Crazy. But in a lot of areas it's a lot better than it used to be and that's encouraging.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:08 PM
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36. I love Chicago too...from April-November.
But the older I get, the more I resent the cold, snow, nice and lack of sun. Oh, and the biting winds. Granted, last winter and this winter are 2 of the coldest on record, so that doesn't help.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 07:11 PM
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45. I was there in April and it was lovely.
I grew up in Palatine and I remember the winters. Good for ice skating and digging caves in 10 foot snow drifts (when Mom wasn't looking) but sometimes it was too cold even for kids. I hear ya. Stay warm!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:18 AM
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59. I've been to Palatine many times.
And thanks!

:)
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:33 AM
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61. Same Here
Nice community. Got a little crowded right around it when the northwest suburbs exploded. But, it's still one of those nice brick home ares with lots of 40 - 60 year old houses of average size. Nice tree lined streets, too.
GAC
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:27 AM
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60. Don't Let It Get Ya Down!
I don't blame you. This was a particularly harsh winter.

I know loads of folks that are really tired of winter right now.

At least we can enjoy the next couple days of warm weather. (Even if it rains.)

Better something than nothing, huh?
GAC

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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:07 PM
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10. Kellogg's is being ridiculous about this. n/t
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:03 PM
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32. Indeed they are but...
I think people who boycott Kellogg are just as ridiculous. Boycotting a company because they dropped a celebrity spokesperson is absurd, IMO.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:08 PM
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11. This could indeed backfire on Kellog.
I hope it does.:smoke:
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:11 PM
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12. K&R
Lame. I guess you can't sell a box of cereal, but you can PRESIDENT? pfft
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:22 PM
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14. yes, I agree, it's all that knee-jerkism.
...all these corporations are so afraid of offending anybody-they may, as Cenk said, end up offending more. maybe they should have slowed down, smoked a bowl or two before making a rash decision..I too eat the healthier cereals and not kelloggs but I used to buy their morningstar farms vegetarian foods until I switched to veganism. ( morningstar products contain egg whites)
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:26 PM
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16. I love Morningstar Farms.
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 01:28 PM by CherylK
I'm actually not a vegan or even vegetarian.

But Morningstar mini-corn dogs are so good!!
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 07:44 PM
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48. morningstar
yes, cheryl, I agree and the breakfast sausages are good too. also the the grillers original
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:00 AM
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49. I third that. For some reason the original grillers taste better than the prime version.
Even though the prime version has more fat...strange, isn't it?
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:23 PM
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15. I certainly hope it backfires on them.
K&R
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:29 PM
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17. *Shrug* I tend to not boycott union manufacturers unless I've got a good reason to.
This, to me, is not a good reason.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:36 PM
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19. Kickin' 'n Recin'
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Royal Sloan 09 Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:55 PM
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20. Why condemn Phelps when we ought to condemn the laws that brand him a criminal
simple solution, Legalize


Yes, many products can be produced from this plant, more than just pants, how about the rope and canvas(cannabis)that were used for centuries on the old sailing ships that brought immigrants to the New World. The oil from the seeds can be used for many petrol based products also, check out the history of this plant, please.
George Washington grew Hemp/Cannabis/marijuana on his farm, as did Ben Franklin and many other constitution signers. So the founding fathers of this nation would be in jail if they lived today, based on the moral improprieties by the prudish corporates interest. What about the greed and profit motives of the same corporate entities, as they were the one to impose their will upon everyone. Who is the government listening to these days? Well, We can only guess the real answer, but let's throw away more tax-payers money and more people's lives on this wasteful War on Drugs?
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serrano2008 Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:30 PM
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21. I'm guessing they're sales will stay exactly the same, no matter what they would have done.
Most people have better things to worry about than not buying a certain kind of cereal for whatever dumb reason - whether their spokesman is a pot head or whether they fired they're pothead spokesperson.

Even all the people saying they'll boycott will still eat Kelloggs if it's what they like.

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:36 PM
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22. Let's say that's true.
It still proves the point that it was a dumb move to fire Phelps. They (at the very least) are out of touch.
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serrano2008 Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:43 PM
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24. I don't think so. I think they're in touch with their target audience.
Which are families that have kids of the grade school age.

Also, I think we can all agree that the dumbest move in all of this is that one of the most popular athletes in the world was hitting a bong in the middle of a big party and a bunch of people with camera phones.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:55 PM
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27. You said yourself, if people like Kellog cereals, they were going to eat them either way
Therefore it was a dumb move on their part IF they believed marketing Phelps was bringing in more money than he cost them. Presumably that was in fact the case which is why they hired him in the first place.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:46 PM
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25. It won't backfire on Kellogg's. If people thought about it....hundreds of jobs were saved.
People do you know how much these people make in Endorsements? Millions and millions of dollars. We're in a bloody economic crisis right now.

First off from what I heard his contract was already ending and they just didn't renew it and it was read as though he was being fired. If that is true and even if they did fire him because of this weed thing...I hope the Kellogg's company could reinvest the money in their workers. These celebrities who are getting endorsements are sucking the companies dry and by default really they're sucking the workers dry.

I see everyoen here going all over board and hoping Kellogg's goes down because of this and not thinking how many workers were probably getting laid off in order to supply Phelps with the funding. This could be reverted easily into the workers and it would save hundreds of jobs. Hundreds over one guy who was making money in many other endorsements and also by the US government when goes off to the Olympics to win the gold. He's not suffering like so many others and definitely probably workers for Kelloggs.

Here's an article which states his contract is not renewing...
http://www.usatoday.com/money/advertising/2009-02-05-phelps-kellogg_N.htm

Hopefully they could reinvest that in the most needed areas in their company.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:55 PM
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26. As I said in another thread, I haven't eaten anything made by Kellogg's in two years. I probably
won't unless I absolutely have to eat something they make, say it's served at a party I attend.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 02:56 PM
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28. What kind of parties do you attend?!
;)
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:01 PM
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31. Well, maybe a gathering with friends to watch a sporting event, and one of my friends' spouse makes
Rice Krispy treats.

Something along that lines.

However, I haven't had Rice Krispies in any form for over two years.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 10:40 AM
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62. Trader Joe's
serves up a lovely non Kellog, organic version of rice krispy treats. My partner loves them. Natural non HFCS marshmallow as well...so if you love those treats, no need to go without.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:04 PM
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34. Subway saw the Big
Pic.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:16 PM
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37. I agree and I don't smoke pot
Michael Phelps should join Rick Steves in the war against the idiotic 'war on drugs'. Phelps makes a good 'poster child' for sensibility - smokes pot and it hasn't hurt his success in life.

I heard that Subway *isn't* dropping him.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:27 AM
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54. (Insert Joke About What A New Phelps Sub Would Be Called And Have In It Here)
;)
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:28 PM
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38. Got to have my cornflakes.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:33 PM
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39. Weren't Cornflakes invented to reduce sexual desire?
I'm not joking and it's true, but I might have the wrong cereal. At any rate, it's one of those "healthy" cereals that while low in sugar, has a laughably low amount of fiber.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:44 PM
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40. I run 7 miles (60 minutes) daily and as a 135 lb woman I can
bench press 200. Resting pulse 52, body fat 11% and overall cholesterol in the 140 - 150 range. I even have great 36c's. I don't think this little luxury is going to hurt me.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:56 PM
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42. Thanks for the numbers, but you're obviously in the minority when it comes to health/fitness.
:)

Unfortunately there are quite a lot of sedentary people who are duped into thinking it's a great, healthy/filling option with some skim milk when the fact is that a high carb, low fiber and low fat meal will leave them hungry far too soon.

But of course if you're burning that in exercise, the cereal could be (part of) a good post workout meal since it's rapidly absorbed. And sure, in your context it's a different issue.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 05:42 PM
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43. The downside is I don't have a life.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 06:27 PM
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44. The upside is you're honest.
:)
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:54 PM
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41. The economy is tanking...
but lets worry about a kid who took a hit off a bong. These hypocrites wouldn't think twice if that was a beer bottle going to his mouth.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 07:12 PM
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46. They can keep their frosted crap!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #46
63. I don't really eat them.
But I have to admit that Frosted Flakes do taste GREEAAT.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;)
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 07:14 PM
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47. That's Exactly What I Was Thinking
they will lose from this. Not gain...
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:07 AM
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50. I eat Wal-mart Scooters instead of HoneyNut Cheerios.

They're cheaper and almost as good.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:12 AM
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51. Aren't Cheerios General Mills? (n/t)
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 09:44 AM
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57. Right you are.

Still, I'll stick with my Scooters.

;)
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cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:12 AM
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52. Don't they know that pot smokers get the munchies?
All I can say is thank god Little Debbie didn't cancel an endorsement with Phelps...
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:20 AM
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53. I had to say goodbye to Snap, Crackle, and Pop on account o' this shit. And I told
Kellogg's about it, too.

And what's really stoopid about their move is how many stoners would be grabbing munchie Frosted Flakes if they kept Phelps on the payroll. Like Wow, how could they not see that, dude?!

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:42 AM
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55. My buddies and i won't be getting frosted flakes no mo...
They can shove it...
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 08:21 AM
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56. The sale of Pop Tarts just plummeted
The war on pot is insanity at it's finest. The amount of non-violent marijuana offenders in prison is staggering.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 09:47 AM
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58. Not a huge cereal fan really, but Kellogg ought to show a bit of
spine here and accelerate Phelps' public profile. Extend his contract and in the statement, urge the decriminalization of archaic drug laws from coast to coast.

The "war on drugs" ended long ago.

The repressors lost.
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