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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:25 PM
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State Secrets privilege update (bad news)
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Before a federal appeals court in San Francisco Monday, lawyers from the Obama Department of Justice invoked the same "state secrets privilege" used by the administration of President George W. Bush to argue that a lawsuit brought on behalf of Guantanamo Bay detainee Binyan Mohamed and four other alleged victims of the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" programme should not go forward because revealing the evidence would harm national security

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If the appeals court agrees, it will mean that the alleged victims will not have their day in court. The court has not yet ruled on the case.

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The defendant in the civil lawsuit is known as Jeppesen Dataplan, a subsidiary of aerospace giant Boeing, which is alleged to have knowingly provided the CIA with the chartered aircraft used to "render" terror suspects to countries where they were tortured.

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ACLU attorney Ben Wizner, who argued Monday on behalf of Mohamed and the other appellants, told IPS, "To date, not a single alleged torture victim has had his day in court. In this case, most of the evidence is already public. There are no 'state secrets' here."


http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45719


If true, bad news. Argue the source if you like.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:26 PM
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1. IN this sense, same old, same old
empires have a problem realizing when they are dying
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:27 PM
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2. There had better be an undercover operative who's life depends on this.
Or it is a bad precedent.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:51 PM
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9. It wouldn't matter....
Prior to Bush, we found a way to both serve justice and maintain state secrets. The two are not in conflict.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:28 PM
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3. I didn't know Jeppeson was a subsidiary of Boeing
This just plan sucks. I hope it's not a case of "the more things change the more they stay the same"
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:32 PM
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5. He inherited all of Bush's power because we did not impeach.
Did you really think he wouldn't use it? It's precedent now.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:31 PM
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4. Well my only hope and it's a slim hope
as you know-do the right thing first is like the right thing-is that Obama can be pressured, lobbied, to do the right thing. With the Bush fucks there was no way-because they had no problem doing anything immoral to achieve their ends.

And Obama does not want his legacy to be tied to the Bush legacy. WHEW. I'm already taking legacy and you know why? Because Obama is smart, and he is an overachiever, he will actually start thinking of legacy now instead of the last five minutes before he's gone-like Bush did. "Condi, fix that Middle East thing, I just realized I'm outa here next month."
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:05 PM
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10. This case will tie him to it.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:32 PM
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6. We want a better way. This just goes contrary to change.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:40 PM
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7. I think they had to continue to say the policy was the same until
they are able to study it and rework it to fit the principles of the administration. It should change.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:47 PM
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8. Rendition for torture is against the law. The State secrets privilege
is shielding the government from legal repercussion of illegal acts. What method is being revealed in a suit against a company engaging in the commission of a publicly known crime?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:06 PM
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11. mmonk, you and still think a lot alike!
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 10:13 PM by cascadiance
:)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5019204

Yup, we need to stop this now! Do you think we can get Luke and/or Sibel to step forward and also speak up now? It would appear to now be a time of reckoning!

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:12 PM
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12. I'll see. Neither replied to my last email of about a week or two ago.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:17 PM
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13. Yea, I wonder if they're trying to take a holiday or have something big coming out...
With the Ergenekon mess that's right up Luke's alley, I'm surprised he hasn't said more on that either...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:20 PM
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14. Maybe. I got his auto responder on traveling last time.
Sibel didn't respond which is unusual. The first thing I started to think is there could be something up.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:16 AM
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20. Same results tonight. Guess we'll just have to wait?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 01:49 PM
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22. She's responded.
PM me.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:26 PM
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15. ACLU Statement (link)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:29 PM
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16. Thanks.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:41 PM
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18. Anytime.
:thumbsup:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:31 PM
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17. Good for the ACLU!
Glad I'm a member.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:00 AM
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19. Greenwald's response...
Obama fails his first test on civil liberties and accountability -- resoundingly and disgracefully

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What makes this particularly appalling and inexcusable is that Senate Democrats had long vehemently opposed the use of the "state secrets" privilege in exactly the way that the Bush administration used it in this case, even sponsoring legislation to limits its use and scope. Yet here is Obama, the very first chance he gets, invoking exactly this doctrine in its most expansive and abusive form to prevent torture victims even from having their day in court, on the ground that national security will be jeopardized if courts examine the Bush administration's rendition and torture programs -- even though (a) the rendition and torture programs have been written about extensively in the public record; (b) numerous other countries have investigated exactly these allegations; and (c) other countries have provided judicial forums in which these same victims could obtain relief.

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Despite that, the new President -- who repeatedly condemned the extreme secrecy of the Bush administration and vowed greater transparency -- has now acted to protect, purely on secrecy grounds, the government and company that did this, as Wizner described:

They were essentially the CIA's torture travel agents. They were the one who arranged all the overflight rights for the CIA civilian planes to be able to fly from country to country. They handled the security and the logistics. They filed dummy flight plans to try to trick air traffic controllers into not being able to track where the actual flights were going. And we know they knew what they were doing because we have a witness in our case, someone who's given us a sworn declaration, who was an employee of Jeppesen DataPlan, and who was present when senior officials of the company were openly boasting about their role in the torture flights, and about how much money they made from them because the CIA spared no expense.

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UPDATE: I just spoke with Wizner about today's court hearing. It's really remarkable what happened. One of the judges on the three-judge panel explicitly asked the DOJ lawyer, Doug Letter, whether the change in administrations had any bearing on the Government's position in this case. Letter emphatically said it did not. Instead, he told the court, the new administration -- the new DOJ -- had actively reviewed this case and vetted the Bush positions and decisively opted to embrace the same positions.

There's no doubt about that. Wizner pointed out that after the interview he did with me 10 days ago, there was substantial press coverage of this matter. Both The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times wrote editorials in the last week demanding that the Obama administration adhere to its prior pledge and abandon the Bush administration's reliance on "state secrets" in this case. Wizner said that reporters calling the DOJ were told that the case was under active review. This was an active, conscious decision made by the Obama DOJ to retain the same abusive, expansive view of "state secrets" as Bush adopted, and to do so for exactly the same purpose: to prevent any judicial accountability of any kind, to keep government behavior outside of and above the rule of law.

Finally, Wizner noted one last fact that is rather remarkable. The entire claim of "state secrets" in this case is based on two sworn Declarations from CIA Director Michael Hayden -- one public and one filed secretly with the court. In them, Hayden argues that courts cannot adjudicate this case because to do so would be to disclose and thus degrade key CIA programs of rendition and interrogation -- the very policies which Obama, in his first week in office, ordered shall no longer exist. How, then, could continuation of this case possibly jeopardize national security when the rendition and interrogation practices which gave rise to these lawsuits are the very ones that the U.S. Government, under the new administration, claims to have banned?

What this is clearly about is shielding the U.S. Government and Bush officials from any accountability. Worse, by keeping Bush's secrecy architecture in place, it ensures that any future President -- Obama or any other -- can continue to operate behind an impenetrable wall of secrecy, with no transparency or accountability even for blatantly criminal acts.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/09/state_secrets/index.html

:mad:
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:06 AM
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21. Get this SEC’s Thomsen resigns; Khuzami to replace her....
Schapiro Deutsche Bank Rob Khuzami

....
Mr. Khuzami also was a counterterrorism prosecutor with the U.S. attorney’s office. In that job, he supervised part of the investigation following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.


....
Ms. Schapiro on Friday named David Becker to fill the vacancy for general counsel and senior policy director, a post he held from 2000 to 2002.


So Thomsen was clearly thrown to the dogs as the sacrificial lamb earlier this week but, come on, Schapiro's just as useless. And as Markopolos pointed out, corrupt.

01:02:11 MARKOPOLOS

01:02:39 REP.SHERMAN

....
01:05:01 REP.CASTLE

01:05:36 MARKOPOLOS

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=283836-1


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=269332&mesg_id=269442



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