Dear Strategerists: Obama's non-answer on Bushco proves the dangers of not impeaching at the time

[omega minimo]

Yes, Nancy got her House and Senate.

Yes, a Democrat won the White House.

Yes, the investigations never occurred during the unimpeached criminal Bush/Reagan adminstrations.

Yes, the investigations never occurred during the unimpeached criminal Bush/Cheney adminstrations.

Yes, it's the same cast of characters.

No, Obama can't answer the question about investigating Bushco any differently.

No, not even being a Constitutional scholar!!

He's in the President's Club now.

Congratulations.

"Too Popular To Be Impeached" Reagan/Bushco

followed by "Too Annoying To Be Serviced In The Oval Office" Clinton

followed by "Too Criminal To Be Believed" Bushco.

This is your history, your legacy, your American government.

This is what you get when the People and the People's representatives refuse the right,

The right and only recourse -- and for Congress, the sworn duty --

To wield the scalpel of impeachment (yes, investigations)

Provided by the Framers

To cut out the cancer feeding at the heart of the nation

To protect and defend

The Constitution of the United States.

This is what you get

When you let a pResident say it's just a DAMN PIECE OF PAPER and wipe his ass with it,

When you tell yourself impeachment wouldn't be strategeric and

"It's only on principle."

This what you get.

An eloquent, idealistic President

With unprecedented powers cobbled together by the Imperial Executive executors,

Operating within and controlled by a

System with no principle.




It was a great speech.


It's too late.


This is where we live.


Just a damn piece of paper.

[Windy]

1. what part of the JUDICIAL branch and not the executive would prosecute do you not understand?

Basic civics?

He said noone is above the law.

[omega minimo]

3. he sidestepped. as the OP says, he answered the way he has to, under the circumstances

this is where we live. no need to twist you knickers.


what part of basic civics don't you understand?

[H2O Man]

13. "Basic Civics"

Criminal offenses are prosecuted by the Department of Justice, which is indeed part of the Executive branch of the federal government.

Civil offenses (abuses of the power of office) are prosecuted by the Legislative branch of the federal government.

The Judicial branch of the government never prosecutes crimes. Hence, while I: (a) agree that Bush & Cheney should have been impeached; and (b) do not believe that it is unlikely that some people from the previous administration will indeed be prosecuted on criminal charges, neither view is based on your grasp of "basic civics." You were correct, and the DUer who said that you do not grasp "basic civics" erred.

[omega minimo]

23. I appreciate

your clarification for all our benefit. The basic civics lesson that a timely impeachment provides every century or so is invaluable.

Also appreciate that you "do not believe that it is unlikely that some people from the previous administration will indeed be prosecuted on criminal charges"

That would be something.

[H2O Man]

7. The judicial branch

does not prosecute.

[omega minimo]

11. "Noone" is above

basic civics

:hi: H2O Man

[Windy]

24. You need to back to the books. n/t

[Windy]

25. You need to back to the books. n/t

[BirminghamExaminer]

2. I disagree

I thought Obama dangled the answer out there like a carrot. He definitely said that if wrongdoing was done, it would be addressed.

[omega minimo]

4. "IF"

yeah, that was pretty bad

[blues90]

8. I got the impression that as he said before he is looking or moving forward

and anyone who comminits a crime now and after he got ofice would not get away with it again but this statement leaves the BCF out and free.

[omega minimo]

10. right, it's deftly done. I wouldn't even say it is his role now. It was the

strategerists and Congresscowards role at the time, to get the concept or face that they're throwing it away.

Some were ignorant and some were under the gun.

[crikkett]

5. .

I didn't hear the speech so my world hasn't ended.

I hope their crimes become known by everyone, in their entirety. We can't heal a disease we won't acknowledge.

:hug:

Everything will work out, everything's going to be OK.

[omega minimo]

9. Definitely check it out. Not only was Obama actually ELECTED he can THINK AND TALK

AT. THE. SAME. TIME.

That's cause for celebration right there.

Obama did what he had to do and is doing what he has to do.

He may do a lot of good.

............


The context is still what it is.

[mmonk]

6. Yep, so far.

[Radical Activist]

12. What question is "Bushco?"

[omega minimo]

14. Bushco "R" Us

the Leahy proposal question

[Radical Activist]

15. It wasn't a non-answer.

Nuanced, yes. But he said a great deal if you listen closely.

I agree with your point about impeachment though.

[omega minimo]

16. A nuan-answer

;)

[omega minimo]

17. Yer right, "he said a great deal if you listen closely" and what's striking was it's meaninglessness

hence the OP

[Radical Activist]

20. He said he favors prosecution

of Bush admin officials. You don't think that's significant?

In a question about Bush admin crimes he raised the issue of torture and violation of civil liberties.

So, if you listen closely, he named the types of crimes he thinks have been committed and said that he will support prosecution after Leahy does his investigations. I think you had a case of knee-jerk skepticism.

[omega minimo]

21. plausible deniability

"So, if you listen closely" you hear what you wanna hear

[Radical Activist]

29. If you don't listen past the first sentence

you can also hear what you want to hear. You don't seem to have an actual response to what I wrote about his statement. What is Obama plausibly denying? That doesn't even make sense.

Obama says he's for prosecuting Bush administration officials like any other criminal and you're still complaining about him agreeing with you. Amazing. A case of ideological blockage.

[omega minimo]

30. i don't fancy your

barbs :thumbsdown:

and owe you nothing

[Mira]

18. My kick will put you on the greatest page ! Well said.

[omega minimo]

22. glad you think so

:thumbsup:

[guruoo]

19. I think he stll has a little time left for that n/t

[blm]

26. Reagan and Bush WERE INVESTIGATED and EXPOSED by Kerry and Gonzalez - Clinton deepsixed the matters

that were being exposed and would not facilitate access to documents that Poppy Bush and his cronies stonewalled, as many of us expected from a Democratic administration. He, instead, sided with the secrecy and privilege of GHWBush and the many thugs involved in IranContra, Iraqgate, BCCI and CIA drugrunning.

[MiniMe]

27. He is leaving it for the Senate and the Justice Department, where it SHOULD be

[omega minimo]

31. He's doing what he has to do

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

28. ROFLMAO!!!!!! What A Hoot!!!

I love the DU Fringe!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[omega minimo]

32. Whuup there it is

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5023672

[Enrique]

33. it's not too late, he can investigate and/or prosecute

Patrick Leahy just yesterday proposed a truth and reconciliation commission.