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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:15 PM
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Even liberal site admits Obama thowing seniors under the bus - way under!
I worked for him and I'm highly pissed.


http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/2/10/125426/456

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:17 PM
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1. Yet another six-degrees-of-Obama smear. FAIL. nt
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:18 PM
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2. That's an anti-Obama site; has been since the primaries.
:shrug:
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 04:42 PM
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19. Another site
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:18 PM
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3. Bulletin: Daschle is gone
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:19 PM
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4. I don't believe this. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:19 PM
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5. Desperation to smear President Obama knows no party.
I parted with mydd during the primaries, and I haven't looked back since!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:19 PM
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6. Oh Please. The Fringe Left Zealot Irrational Wackos Are The FIRST To Bash Him.
They're as bad as republicans.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:20 PM
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7. What's the deal?
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 03:20 PM by Avalux
That's an anti-Obama site. Daschle is out. I am having difficulty understanding exactly why you're so pissed.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:23 PM
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8. I don't agree that this is Obama's policy. But I do agree with this policy.
If we're going to get healthcare for everyone in this country, we are all going to have to cut back on the amount of testing we demand. And doctors are going to have to rely more on taking histories and physical examinations.

In the end, I happen to believe this will result in better care for everyone.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:34 PM
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14. That can be done without a government-controlled database. nt
Patients should be in charge of their own medical records and should be able to store them in a private database.

I have no confidence in the government's ability to respect privacy -and certainly not Obama's -his flipping on the spy bill was instructive.

Aside from privacy is the issue of withholding care based on "lifeboat economics" theories and government-derived cost-benefit analyses of worth of individuals or members of certain groups.










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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:25 PM
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9. Here's the Health Czar Story from Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446).

MORE
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:25 PM
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10. Yeah, they're pimping the fear factor over at
Free Republic, too. They're just as wrong as you are.

Read the provisions in the actual bill, not the interpretations from some anti-Obama site, please.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:26 PM
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11. The Obama-Dasche Health Care planning =Life Boat Ethics-They throw aging and disabled into sea

except for their own families of course.

Just as Bush-Cheney had different rules for Cheney's daughter.

We need a better class of politicians and we need for them to let the citizens make the plans---not them and their major corporate contributers and their Harvard non-genius advisors.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:27 PM
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12. Betsy McCaughey wrote this little pearl yesterday...
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

She also works for the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank. I used to think mydd was liberal, but haven't paid them any attention since the primaries. Now I'm glad I didn't waste my time.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 04:11 PM
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17. .
PUMAs. That's what mydd's all about.

I seriously wish they would just. let. it. go.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:28 PM
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13. If someone makes a claim on a blog it must be true.......
DON'T believe everything you read!

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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:35 PM
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16. Read Daschle's book-it is available. nt
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southern_dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:35 PM
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15. My dad was up in arms about this yesterday
I guess Hannity or Limbaugh mentioned it on the radio to get the wingnuts in a tizzy. Looks like BS to me.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 04:12 PM
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18. Since when is mydd "liberal"?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 05:59 PM
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20. I don't see why opposing a provision in the Jobs plan has to be anti-Obama.
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 06:03 PM by Peace Patriot
That is stupid thinking. That is the kind of thinking that stupid Bushwhacks engage in--bowing and scraping to the 'Great Leader.'

And it is unworthy of President Obama--a highly intelligent man who likes debate, likes to hear all sides.

I have been extremely worried about this "centralization" of all health records under the control of some federal "health czar" from the first moment I heard of it. Have we not learned any lessons at all about the easy abuse of centralized databases--whether they are "total information awareness" spy programs or voter lists in Florida? Or about the EASY manipulability of vote totals in 'TRADE SECRET' code voting machines?

This is health records thing is a very bad idea. For one thing, we don't have universal health care. We have an insurance corporation-infested health system, and Obama seems to want to keep it that way. So, who is really going to be making these decisions about which patients are expendable and which aren't? For that's what it comes down to--that's where the "cost-cutting" is going to be done--by intervening between you and your doctor, on decisions about your health, that cost the super-rich profiteers of the insurance industry too much profit, or Medicare decisions, in a similar vein, with bureaucrats or politicians wanting to cut costs to further their own ambitions. Barack Obama might put someone in charge of all this--with that kind of life and death power--who makes reasonable and fair decisions, and resists insurance co. and other such pressure. I don't know that he will, but he would be more likely to than, say, Jeb Bush. But what happens when Jeb Bush gets his fascist hands on this system?

I oppose it. It is very dangerous. And I suspect that it is also a technology corporation boondoggle.

The way to cut costs is to remove the insurance industry from our health system, place strict regulations on Big Pharma with regard to the price of medicines, and other such measures to take the crass profiteering out of the medical system.

Obama is a mixed bag, as to policies and appointments--but a fair, cool spring breeze compared to the fetid torture dungeon of the Bushwhacks. That is a fact. God knows I prefer Obama--voted for him, sent him money, and did everything I could to overcome this fetid election system, with its 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines, to get him elected. But we shouldn't let our political establishment get away with requiring approval of Obama, and everything he proposes, and every appointment he makes, because the Bushwhacks were so bad. He needs criticism as well as applause. We should also not fall prey to Limbaugh's mind-twisting tactics, where he latches onto something to kill the whole Jobs bill, when only one part of it is wrong-headed. He is a lying asshole. And he and his ilk don't give a fuck about anybody's health care--or anyboby's well-being--except their own. It's kind of like Republicans complaining about the budget deficit. It makes you want to tear your hair out. Who got us into this horrible mess, with a ten trillion deficit and counting?! They shouldn't be allowed a platform. They should in sack cloth and ashes, kneeling before the American people in penance. And some of them should be in jail. But that doesn't make a federal health records database any better of an idea--just because Limbaugh and other lying Puke traitors have picked up on it.

We've got to think for ourselves--and not in reaction of the absurd fascists controlling our public airwaves, and not in worship of President Obama, just because he is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o much better than Bush. He can be wrong. He can make mistakes. He admitted it himself. He needs our criticism, to bulk up the right side of internal and public discussions--the side that is in our best interests--so that he can make the right decisions. He isn't God. He isn't all-knowing. He is not an emperor--not really. He's just a man, much too surrounded with corporatist (neo-liberal, free tradist) advisers. And if we want our interests seen to, and if we see perilous mistakes in the making, we need to shout it out.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 08:14 PM
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21. I see you have not revisited this thread you started.
Why is that? I'd think you'd want to defend your post, but I guess it's a matter of dump and run, then. If I'm wrong, please tell me why...
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