You people talking about taking away Octomom's kids are overreacting

[redstate_democrat]

How about the state come and take your kids because you post on DU and are probably some kind of hippie/bong hitter? :P

Has she abused the kids? If no, then I see no justification for taking them. Parents have a right to their kids and it should be difficult for the state to take them if the child is not in any danger.

People are pissed because this woman seems to be living on social security and collecting food stamps? So the fuck what. What percentage of your income tax is going to this woman? Millions of poor people get welfare. Should those people's rights be taken because they get welfare? That's essentially what you're advocating when you demonize this woman and want to take her kids because she's on welfare. How about we round up all the welfare queens and their little welfare babies and adopt them out to "loving families" with picket fences and two car garages where they will be "loved" and well taken care of. You sound like a fucking elitist snob.

Now, if the woman has mental issues, then that's another thing. But simply putting this woman down because of her ECONOMIC STATUS is simply not a liberal position to hold. Yes we desire personal responsibility and demand it from CERTAIN FOLKS, but clearly, a child being ripped from their natural mother is not a punishment we should be giving for personal irresponsibility. This sort of thing could clearly slide down a slippery slope.

This seems like a personal family situation this woman has and it really has nothing to do with the government. I know, I know. You say since she is collecting SSI or whatever it is from the government, that means the government can have whatever kind of say it wants with regard to her children. Um, no it does not.

[Texasgal]

1. I'm not so sure that people are advocating

taking away her children because she's on welfare.

I honestly think it's more of an issue of being able to physically care for all of them.

[hlthe2b]

7. I believe there is sufficient question as to her ability to care for them

that Social Services MUST investigate and involve the court in terms of ensuring some continued monitoring. I am not advocating taking the children away, but no one with a working brain would think there is not doubt as to how this woman is going to care for them. If some find that to be intrusive, then so be it. There are 14 children at risk. They must come first.

[aquart]

16. Since she's insane.

[tekisui]

2. The old lady who lived in a shoe.....

I am not for taking her kids away. But, I seriously worry about her mental health and her ability to take care of and provide for 14 kids, one of which has autism. She is clearly not a stable person. It is a danerous situation.

[panader0]

3. A person could make the case that she is abusing the kids

Having 8 eggs planted when you have 6 kids already is like overcrowding at the least. Plus, she's a flat out wacko, and how can that be a home to grow up in?

[Bobbieo]

4. The woman obviously has mental issues!!! Fourteen kids in a

3 bedroom house living with her parents - C'mon!!!

[FreakinDJ]

24. Ding Ding Ding - We have a Winner !!!!!!

You nailed it right on the head

This woman is so deranged as to think she could profit by having kids in mass amounts

[LisaL]

5. Hello?

Posting on DU does not equal bong hitter.
:eyes:

[seabeyond]

8. lol lol.

i know. the assumptions made. i quit that oh, two three years ago, wink.

[redstate_democrat]

9. That was obviously a joke.

[seabeyond]

6. i dont think she will be able to do it. if she cant, she cant. she did this at kids expense. n/t

[earth mom]

10. I'm worried about the kids-I could give a damn if she gets SSI.

I think she made a very foolish decision, but would like to see a happy ending for the kids sake.

[redstate_democrat]

12. Is it inconceivable tha perhaps the happy ending is for this woman and her children to stay together

without all of this government intervention? There are serious crap parents in the world. Maybe we should direct our attention there instead of crapping on this woman. Is she harming the kids? Being POOR is not a harm that the government should consider. There are tons of poor families out there. Are we now going to take away all the poor kids from their families? I think I heard a Repuke suggest that once. He wanted to take poor kids away from their mothers and put them in boarding homes.

[Avalux]

11. Have you had children?

This mother cannot take care of 14 children on her own - if she thinks she can she is delusional. Even with her mother's help, it will be nearly impossible. She will be watched by state authorities and if there's evidence of neglect, the children will be removed.

[redstate_democrat]

14. What would be considered "neglect" in your opinion in this particular situation?

The fact that she isn't married or making six figures or because she lives with her parents? Do you realize how many women are in the same situation as Octomom? Maybe they don't have 14, but they have plenty. Should the state take those kids, too?

[aquart]

18. I want to see you diaper eight children at once.

Wait. Make that ten. We don't know if the twins are toilet trained.

If you can't, how many of those children will be lying in shit for how long? EVERY hour of every day?

I have to assume you are being deliberately disingenuous. Mothers with ten or twelve children usually have a ten or twelve-year-old who spends her life helping out. Same for the eleven and nine year olds. But none of these children are that old.

[redstate_democrat]

19. So basically, single women who have high multiples should have their children taken from them

if they can't afford nannies at a 1:3 ratio.

[Marrah_G]

29. yeah thats what people are saying..........

:eyes:

[Avalux]

20. It's not my opinion. Child neglect is serious and laws are in place because of it.

It's a form of child abuse. Physical, emotional and education neglect encompass not being able to provide attention and basic needs to the children to failure to seek medical care when needed.

Are you just playing devil's advocate or do you honestly believe these children will be cared for adequately? As I stated above - this mother will be watched and if there's any neglect - as defined by law - the children will be removed.

[pipi_k]

22. Neglect...

One or more of the kids having to spend hours in a dirty diaper because she's busy dealing with issues concerning one or more of the other kids.

Living in near squalor because keeping a clean house comes way down on the list of priorities even with ONE kid.

Not being able to meet emotional and/or physical needs of the more "normal" kids because the disabled ones WILL require more of her time.


And that's just for starters.

Nature, in Her wisdom, made it near impossible for that many children to be born naturally. There's a very good reason why.

Mankind, in his gross arrogance and stupidity, decides to override the wisdom of Nature and play God.


those children...all of them...will suffer in some form or another because of their mother's, and that doctor's, mutual selfishness and stupidity.

[Lex]

15. You don't have to have children

to know she cannot properly take care of 14 babies on her own.

[Avalux]

23. That's true; it's common sense.

Octomom actually said she was going to breastfeed all 8 babies. Delusional.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

13. I hope that the minute she neglects one (and there are several with disabilities)....

out comes the dept of Children and Families to whisk them away.

[saltpoint]

17. Folks aren't blaming the younguns. Folks hope the younguns will be

ok.

If the younguns ARE ok, it may be despite their mother's arrogance, self-promotion, greed, and stupidity.

Go, younguns.

[FreakinDJ]

21. Income does not matter - she can not emotionaly provide for them

These kids will be trashed in the "Mad-House" that is her life

[redstate_democrat]

25. My OP was based on people complaining that she is too poor to take care of her kids

ad advocating taking them because of that fact. I specifically said if she has mental issues, then that's another thing. Regarding whether she has the resources to physically take care of the kids is something that I'm sure could be rectified. I would assume that getting additional help for the woman would be better than taking the kids away, if there are no mental issues.

[FreakinDJ]

31. Not under any condition would I advocate for this woman to keep kids

financially - emotionally - and physically bankrupt

Those kids are going to suffer the price for this woman's ill-fated attempt at profitting off the lime light of having eight kids at once

[Hello_Kitty]

26. So call me overreacting then.

Take the kids away from this delusional nutcase now and spare them the agony they neither asked for nor deserve.

[kestrel91316]

27. I trust you'll be fully supportive of her when she has ANOTHER litter

in 3 years or so as her brood gets older and she becomes bored with them?? Because that's my prediction.

[carlyhippy]

28. I'm a hippie, not a bong hitter.....

but I had the good sense to know that raising 3 kids was all I needed to raise, in order to give them the love and attention they deserve, and I wanted to be able to afford to give those 3 kids what they need so they would not go without, could I afford to take care of 14 kids? Nope.....could I give 14 kids my full attention and individual attention during the course of a day? Highly doubtful.

[NYC_SKP]

30. Rich or Poor, she's unstable. Why try to make this a poverty issue?

Sure, that she can't afford to care for these kids makes her that much crazier but she's selfish and crazy enough without that detail.

She endangered these kids by even attempting to have them, so this has nothing to do with income.

:shrug:

Why are you trying to make her into a victim, a martyr, a hero for the poverty stricken single moms out there?

:shrug:

[terisan]

32. True. . Great Post. Authoritarianism of right or left is undemocratic. nt