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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:08 PM
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Firing Back on the Obama Recovery Package -- Again
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Firing Back on the Obama Recovery Package -- Again
By Sara Robinson

February 12th, 2009 - 12:00pm ET



My God—they're still at it. Two weeks ago, I wrote a 10-point take-down of some of the biggest lies conservatives are telling about the stimulus bill. You can tell just how terrified they are: If this thing passes—and especially, God and Alan Greenspan forbid, if it actually works, even a little bit—it's going to discredit their entire model of how the economic world works. Because the battle over the stimulus package is nothing less than the battle for all the marbles, their Big Lie factory is working overtime, cranking out specious new absurdities on an almost daily basis.

And compared to the last round—some of which were at least sort of plausible if you squinted at them just right—this crop is just bizarre. You may also recognize a few of these points as second passes at arguments we covered in the first piece. In some cases, it's because they've reworked their argument to come at it from another direction; in others, it's because on our end, working out new and better comebacks is an ongoing process.

No matter how long and strange the trip gets, as long as they keep turning out these spittle-flecked fabulations, we'll be standing by to give you what you need to fight back. Here's the latest wave of obfuscating blather oozing out of the right -- and the snappy comebacks that will allow you to fire back.

1. The stimulus bill is just too big!
2. No, wait -- it's too small!


There are plenty of economists -- including former World Bank head Joseph Stiglitz and Nobel laureate Paul Krugman, who are two of the world's leading experts on how countries survive depressions -- who think that this bill is too small. They estimate that before it's all said and done, we'll need to spend between $1.2 trillion and $2 trillion to get to a truly effective recovery. In their view, this is nothing more than a good start. There's much more that will need to happen for America to really get back on its feet. This bill is the first salvo in what may turn out to be several different bills aimed at different parts of the crisis, assuming the conservatives in Congress aren't allowed to derail our efforts at recovery.

We need a bill that contains enough spending to make up for what consumers and businesses aren't putting into the economy right now. And we need to stay focused on getting families and employers right-side-up financially -- and the best way to do this is through spending that secures their jobs, enables them to make their mortgages, and invests public capital wisely to prepare us for the 21st century. That means spending on nutrition, education, health care, and infrastructure -- investments that have always, throughout history, yielded returns that are many, many times what we originally spent on them.

3. It's got too much pork in it!

Conservatives have a rather specific definition of the word "pork." In conserva-speak, "pork" is defined as any government spending that benefits anybody who's not an investment banker or a defense contractor. If you ask them, $700 billion in bailouts to Wall Street is not pork. Neither is the $1 trillion-plus we've spent (largely on private contractors) in Iraq. And, of course, it's not "pork" when the conservatives loaded this very same stimulus bill with sweet giveaways to their patrons in the nuclear and "clean coal" industries. Nope. No pork there. Not at all. ........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009020710/firing-back-obama-recovery-package-again




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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:11 PM
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1. Why aren't we out there defending Obama by inundating the networks and papers with e-mail,
letters and petitions? Why isn't Congress out there talking to the nation? Why aren't we protesting out there? Why is it just all Obama versus the asshole Repukes whereever I look?
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:12 PM
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2. Because a lot of us think the same thing....
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:14 PM
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3. You mean, you are hoping to wait long enough for the Repukes
to take out anything that would help the middle class, and leave anything that would help the CEOs of banks? The ceiling on CEO pay has been already removed.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:21 PM
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8. I'm a big believer in the GAO. It seems to be a bunch of crap
put together by the house and senate with no leadership from the executive branch. I don't think it will have any effect.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:14 PM
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4. Because a lot of Dems like to take shots at Dems instead of supporting them.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:14 PM
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5. Why is that? I'm sure Europeans look upon Amerifcan Dems as really stupid people nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:18 PM
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6. I have no idea. It is the circular firing squad. Dems do it every damn time.
Edited on Thu Feb-12-09 10:18 PM by Pirate Smile
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:21 PM
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9. How incredibly f'd up. And yes, you're right. I'll never forget the Nader bs and how
Naderites got us Bush twice.
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:19 PM
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7. Some of us are fucking trying
Some of us warned about this in advance.

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:26 PM
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10. I know. Part of the problem is Obama himself. He started with this bipartisanship thing...
and he needs to drop it like the hot potato it is. Repukes see his desperate pleas for bipartisanship as just another example of how weak Democrats are. They have no use for bipartisanship at all.
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I_Am_Ready Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:44 PM
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11. I think its time to send a powerful message - AVisitToWashington
Folks - I'm hoping there are some people thinking like me at this time. We need a major protest march in Washington or NYC. Nothing short of the largest ever will work for the largest screw up ever which at this point is destined to surpass the Great Depression in its ultimate scope.

Bush prepared us to be scared of protest and then succeeded in pulling-off the biggest rip-off presidencies ever. We were chumps. I am betting people are so angry (as they should if they aren't stoned on anti-depressants, whiskey or heroin). Where is the outrage? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? If there was ever a time for ALL CAPS it is now! (*)

I see a massive, more influential protest than ever before - call it "America Goes to Washington". Nice and peaceful but unrelenting. There has to be a message driven home that congress and wall street and CEO America understands. We need to do it before republicans make it completely illegal to protest anything, it is coming!

This is a shameful time. Democrats have placed their faith in bi-partisanship and kissy face with republicans. That is not the mandate we gave Obama. Please, folks this is serious stuff for you and your children - pay close attention to what is going on in Washington right now during a disaster - please watch carefully. A made for TV super-hero is not going to save us here. Look what happened with Katrina, Iraq, Wall Street - please think about it think about the next generation and what we've created for them.

Again, only real and ordinary people can organize the largest march on Washington, ever. Politicians are so moribund and impotent. This is the time for us to get it together. We need leadership and organizing skills. It is time to be heard loud and clear.

We can't make progress sitting on blogs all day and watching TV. It is time to get some exercise and make yourself noticed where it matters. It needs to be big. Really big. Bigger than ever or the news media will mock us - they have as much to lose in Washington as any CEO fat cat. Car pools, buses, you name it. We can do it even if it means Rush libaugh and Bill O'Reilly will attack us. Excellent. We need whatever publicity we can get. I am begging for the all those kids who demonstrated all those leadership qualities needed to get in those ivy league schools to really show what they're made of and put those skills to use outside their own motives and do something to help their country. We need everybody working together to get this done. Nothing but a massive show of unity will sink in. The time is now or we admit to being completely subjugated to a virtual state who is strip mining our wallets like we are stupid fools.

* Yes, all caps. Thanks for noticing.
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