Don't worry, Octuplets Mom won't let kids go without.....the latest XBOX 360 game...

[JeffreyWilliamson]

Courtesy of TMZ, (the reading of which makes me feel dirty, but frankly you can't beat their coverage of the Octuplets Crisis):



And, just for kicks, the manicure:



Because god knows, last time I was receiving death threats and had octuplets in intensive care, the first thing I did to calm myself down was rush out to GameStop for the latest Playstation 2 disc and then picked up Starbucks on the way to the salon, with TMZ in tow.

Why do you suppose Octo-Mom isn't taking those "death threats" so seriously? So much for being in hiding...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. She really overdid it on the duck lips nt

[AlCzervik]

123. i had one kid and my nails looked like crap for a very long time, a manicure would have been

a total waste of money.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

141. Did you hear the latest? She and her P.R. firm were threatened, so the P.R. firm bowed out....

However, she will not be deterred by anything and has hired an agent, demanding that she get her own show LOL!

[Deja Q]

132. Those are not duck lips. She had a hemorrhoid cushion dougnut sewn onto her gums.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

140. ROFLMAO! So that's what the prob is! nt

[bluestateguy]

2. She should have to write the CA taxpayers a thank you note every year

For all the welfare she has been and will be getting. The least she could do is write the CA taxpayers a kind thank you note.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

8. Be sure to add to that price tag...

The police investigation of the death threats her now former publicist claims she has received.

[rcrush]

3. What game did she buy?

I want to know if Fear 2 is any good.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

5. Where's the smiley for drinking a glass of water, followed by spitting said water out?

I was just reading about Fear 2 online earlier today.

I got a 360 over the holidays. I've been looking for some games. In the end, I've decided pick up Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection. Fallout 3, Gears of War 2, pffft. Give me Sonic and Mario.

I wonder if I'll run into Octuplets Mom when I pick it up at Game Crazy tomorrow?

[ACTION BASTARD]

10. I'm playing the $*!@ out of Dead Space right now on the 360

Fear 2 is definitely on the list cuz I love survival horror shooters. Dead Space is a 3rd person shooter (Tomb Raider)but I love to play it at night in the dark.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

13. I've heard very good things about Dead Space...

I do have to admit that although I included it in my short list above, I actually do have Fallout 3.

Beautiful game. Beautiful.

[rcrush]

14. I love Fallout 3

I finished the story though and I need my RPG fix but I cant find a suitable replacement game.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. Ah, Galaxy News Radio.

Comin' to you loud, and proud!

[CRF450]

163. I'm holding out for Killzone 2.

That game is gonna kick all kinds of ass!

[snake in the grass]

165. Gears of War 2 is epic!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

4. I love TMZ

and I hate myself for eating up everything I can find about this caper.

I cannot believe Social Services will ever allow her to take those kids home. Did you see the condition of the house where she now lives?

[JeffreyWilliamson]

19. I'm confident that after all of this the kids will end up in good homes...

And this will serve as a lesson to those trying to enrich themselves by exploiting children, (I'm looking at you, Jon & Kate).

I did see the condition of their house on Radar Online. And I'm convinced I'm sick. I gave up smoking and got addicted to octuplets.

I need help...

[Tangerine LaBamba]

30. Take my hand, honey

You are not alone. My tabloid mentality kicked in as soon as this story erupted.

You're fine. Those who claim not to be interested are nothing but filthy liars.

Did you see that French manicure? I mean, how terribly un-chic...................

[kestrel91316]

20. There is already speculation that CPS will find her unfit and force the

adoption of the octuplets.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

32. For openers,

she doesn't have room for them in the house where her first litter live. And I wouldn't be surprised to see CPS come after those kids. Here in Virginia, kids of different genders - after the age of (I think) six - have to have their own rooms. She's certainly not got that going on right now with the kids she already had.

Also, she can't even afford to buy eight more car seats, and, if she could, where would she put them? She'll need a school bus just to get the babies home.

I can't wait to see what kind of help has been offered and how much cash she's collected via that tacky website.

They cannot let her have those babies. I can't see it happening, not ever.

Imagine how the sperm donor feels? He is now the father of FOURTEEN KIDS!!!!!

[JeffreyWilliamson]

33. How can Virginia enforce a law like that?

And is such a law constitutional? What is it with Virginia and policing bedrooms...

I grew up in Northwest Arkansas, and not only could kids share the same room regardless of gender after age six, but we could also share those same rooms with our dogs, cats, fleas, hens, and occasionally opossums!

I mean, where are you going to put all those kids when the family gets together for Thanksgiving or Christmas? It's not easy housing 16 cousins much less by gender--the only floor big enough to house all of us was the kitchen anyway, (it was also the warmest).

Oh wait, I grew up in Northwest Arkansas. Maybe that explains it...

[Tangerine LaBamba]

42. It's always been the law

for as long as I've been a Virginia lawyer - since 1976.

It's only enforceable, of course, if CPS gets a call about something else in the house - say someone tips them off to abuse - and the social worker can't find anything substantive, but still has a bad feeling. Then, that law comes in handy if you want to get the kids away from the parents but can't pin them with anything until more investigation takes place.

That's the only way I've ever heard of it being used.

Thanksgiving? She can't even make a place for eight cribs in that house, let alone any kind of family dinner.

There was FOOD ON THE WALLS, for christ's sake!

Your Arkansas upbringing is responsible for a lot of things. But your cuteness you just got all on your own............... :)

[barb162]

66. "she can't even afford to buy eight more car seats"

But she can afford all kinds of garbage like nail treatments, Starbucks, etc.

[ldf]

119. and LIPS!

how much did those cost?

[Lost in CT]

95. Good lord that is a horrible law.

That is basically a law against being poor.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

117. It is, isn't it?

But, there's no way to avoid that part of it. It's not used against the poor, though, which is a relief. It was the only way to ensure that social workers got the time they needed to protect kids in possibly abusive situations.

It's also meant to make sure that foster kids - who get checked out a lot - are being treated properly. There was an epidemic of really bad foster experiences here in Virginia back in the (I think) early sixties, and that was how this law came into being.

[Ilsa]

120. In Texas, the county hospital used to give out infant car seats.

And alot of people buy garage sale car seats for the babies that are growing too big for the infant seats.

The different rooms for different genders is overstepping the boundaries, IMO. I slept next to my brother when I was age ten-twelve and he was three years younger. It was fun and non-sexual. I guess the girl being older than the boy might be part of the scenario for success.

She is messed up, perhaps obsessed, over babies.

[barb162]

63. Now that is some really good news.

Everything I have seen about this woman, every time I have seen her interviewed, etc., it just makes me angry.

[varkam]

6. Oh, is it time for our two-minutes hate?

[JeffreyWilliamson]

7. No, just our 8 minutes of disbelief. Or should that be 14 minutes?

That this person's story is still being bought by someone. Wasn't I just reading yesterday that the police are investigating these horrific threats against her?

[varkam]

9. It wouldn't surprise me if the threats are, indeed, legit.

I've seen things right here on DU that came pretty close - and we're liberals. It really boggles my mind. Yeah, she has a ton of kids. Yeah, she's probably mentally ill. Yeah, her doc was probably unethical in giving her the IVF.

I'm having a really, really difficult time figuring out why we're supposed to hate her so intensely.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

12. I missed those, and I'm kind of happy about that...

I'm not excusing that in any way, believe me. But, at the same time, I can't believe that if there really are legitimate death threats out there against this new mother, that she's so irresponsible as to not take any of them seriously, and instead just head out to do some shopping with a few cameras in tow.

But then again "irresponsible" and "octuplets mom" seem to be joined at the hip.

[varkam]

15. Well, it's easy to make assumptions.

After all, we're all keyboard commandos here. Who the hell knows what's happening? Maybe the TMZ crew was staked outside her house and decided to follow her wherever she went.

Bottom line for me is that, last I checked, there was nothing wrong with getting an Xbox game. There is, however, something very wrong with threatening someone's life.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

17. She's on food stamps, disability, can't pay rent or bills...

Grandma has gone bankrupt supporting, and there are about to be 14 mouths to feed instead of just the 6 that were there before.

What if buying an XBOX game is threatening someone's life?

[varkam]

18. Like I said - easy to make assumptions.

I don't think that we know the entirety of her situation. It may be true that she's acting irresponsibly, but I guess I would rather save my ire for more deserving targets as this whole episode is very reminiscent of the Republican tirade against "welfare queens." Perhaps, in light of her recent fame, she's also gotten some financial assistance in addition to the threats on her life.

Moreover, I think that even poor people are entitled to some good old fashion escapism.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

22. I just hope you're right, and that there's room for escapism...

And that at the end of the day her ship's come in and the kids will be fine. I do suspect we'll continue to find out, but I also suspect it won't be all roses.

You are right that there are more deserving targets. I can think of a few that should be brought up on war crimes myself. I guess it's easier to keep tabs on octuplets mom, since our press and government won't follow the real criminals instead.

:grr:

[varkam]

25. I agree with you.

I think a large part of it is a manufacture-versy on the part of the media. We're supposed to get all steamed over Ms. Suleman, while there are far more nefarious individuals doing far worse things than making irresponsible choices with either their body or their money.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

29. And in the case of George W. Bush...

Making irresponsible choices with other peoples' bodies, to the point of getting them all killed...

[varkam]

31. Indeed.

Would that the media could muster up the same amount of outrage over that.

[OhioBlue]

26. I agree - we don't know. She could have had gift cards.

or maybe it was the kid's Christmas money. She probably couldn't get out for months when she was preggo.

[wroberts189]

40. thank you

[smalll]

83. I assume that you're an unbalanced pro-natalist --

and you're uncomofortable that for once, in the case of the Octomom, public opinion is on the side of the child-free rather than the sanctimonious, tax-deduction-blessed, constantly-lauded overbreeders who usually lord it over the rest of us as though they were apple pie stars-and-stripes baked up in God's own kitchen.

For once, you guys lose. Suck it up.

[varkam]

99. No, but thanks for playing. eom

[wroberts189]

39. Tabloids will eat this up and pay her well. nt

[XemaSab]

60. Here's what's wrong with getting an XBox game:

She has 14!!!!! kids under the age of 7.

She HONESTLY thinks she can be a parent and screw around in front of the Xbox at the same time?

Right. :eyes:

[varkam]

67. A question:

are parents not entitled to any form of entertainment? If they are, then which forms of entertainment are verboten and which forms are permissable?

[XemaSab]

73. Parents are totally entitled to entertainment

but the first time she's halfway through level 1 and a baby starts crying, what's going to happen?

Also, video games cost money. As opposed to books, which she can get for free from the library, or very cheaply at the used bookstore. Or TV, which is close to free. Or a game such as Candyland she can play with her EXISTING KIDS.

Today I went to the grocery store and I got:

At Safeway: Anti-vomiting stuff for the puppy. 2 avocadoes. Laundry detergent. Butter. An onion. A small squash. 2 cans of split pea soup. FIFTY BUCKS.

At Orchard: Seitan. Miso paste. Wakame. Fakin' bacon. Tofu. White mushrooms. THIRTY BUCKS.

Yes, it was EIGHTY DOLLARS.

For three small shopping bags of food, plus a bag for the detergent and antiemetic.

And the real pisser? It's probably three servings of miso soup and two servings of split pea soup. We ate one avocado with our potatoes tonight. I will probably have the bacon as part of my breakfast for the next two days, and the seitan as part of the enchiladas I will cook for dinner tomorrow. We'll have the squash with the enchiladas.

In summary: This should get two people through the long weekend, when you add it to the previously purchased tortillas, cheese, spinach, sour cream, chicken, potatoes, bread, eggs, and syrup. x(

And the mega pisser is that we're not particularly poor, but I know there are people lined up at the food bank for whom $80 or $100 bucks is a MONTH of food. :(

So yeah, I think it's really sort of offensive for her to spend TAXPAYER money for video games when there are people who can't afford food.

[varkam]

104. Do you know how she paid for the games?

Hell, for all we know the CEO of GameStop decided to send her a whole boat load of gift cards.

It seems odd to me that so many people think that she's looking for a pay day out of this. If she is, then she picked the exact wrong way to go about it. As I'm sure you are aware, kids are expensive.

[Maestro]

118. Exactly!

I have two kids and I find it hard to do anything like that.

[kestrel91316]

21. Because her children are suffering for her narcissism........

[varkam]

27. I wonder if her children would likewise suffer if someone decided to kill their mother.

And, as I have posted in this thread, it is easy to make assumptions.

[JI7]

37. nobody here is suggesting she should be killed

we can still hate her for what she did without it meaning we think she should be killed.

[varkam]

41. I'm not saying that anyone here is suggesting that she be killed.

Though, as I posted above, I have seen things here that we're too far from it. Further, I am trying to make the point that we shouldn't hate her - at least not on the basis of media hype. If I'm going to hate anyone, it's going to be people that have wronged me personally. I'd rather not hate someone that I have never met.

[JI7]

43. i hate many people i have never met including her

i also hated those Elian Relatives. every so often people like this turn up who i just really really hate.

but this hatred is not keeping me from hating people who have hurt me personally or the big money whores who ripped this nation off.

[varkam]

45. Well, that is your perogative.

A question, though - do you think that Ms. Suleman is injured by your hatred for her?

[JI7]

48. not really, i'm not sending her any hate mail or anything

[varkam]

51. That's precisely my experience with hatred.

It never injures the object - only the owner.

[XemaSab]

61. I don't hate her

I just think she's a freak show.

And I'm really pissed that California state parks are being closed while she gets a freakin' manicure on the taxpayer dime. x(

[Bunny]

94. Actually, at least one person here is suggesting that she should be killed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5018733#5018843

Pretty sick, isn't it?



I still think she made up the death threat thing, though.

[FloridaJudy]

136. That poster's been TS'ed

We do have our standards.

I'd feel sorry for Octomom, were the damage she's bound to inflict on her kids (there is no way even superwoman could provide adequate attention to fourteen children under the age of eight) and the costs to the planet not so profound. She's obviously nuttier than a box of candied almonds.

I'll reserve my venom for that doctor. There's someone who obviously traded both his medical ethics and his common sense for a ton of free publicity. If we're calling for anyone to be hung in effigy the dummy should be wearing a white lab coat.

[wroberts189]

36. funny how we hate welfare queens but love our CEO's nt

my prayers are with her.

[JI7]

47. who here is loving their ceos while hating her ?

and i don't pray for anyone

[cboy4]

80. Yet another non-Californian who isn't paying a penny

of this woman's welfare.

Do you know they furlough California state workers twice a month (two days without pay is a car payment for many), because we are broke here?

43 billion dollars in the hole BROKE.

So there's a reason you're seeing so much venom flowing from California DUers.

They are laying off teachers and firefighters and cops and shutting down services.

We're paying her fucking welfare.

You're not.

But you pray for her. :puke:


edit: typo

[XemaSab]

59. Talking shit about someone behind their back

and picking up the phone and calling someone? Two different things.

[LisaL]

86. Well, she is out and about, going places, so I don't think she is

too scared of those "horrible threats."

[TheFarseer]

89. I think if you're sending her death threats

you're as mentally disturbed as she is.

[drbonnerlover]

124. I totally agree with you...Would these same people who take glee in bashing Nadya

go on the street and mock a ranting homeless man? Where is this animosity coming from? Because she is using government funds? Well, if she is mentally ill, then everything she has done after makes their fury moot.

[varkam]

126. Welcome to DU!

And, as another poster here suggested, I'm starting to think that DU needs a "Class War" forum. If you see a thread about a formerly rich person now facing hard times, click on it and be amazed.

[cboy4]

76. Says the person in fricken Kentucky who isn't paying a nickel

of her welfare and the medical bill for her latest litter. :eyes:

Well I am.

And it pisses me off.

[varkam]

105. So, therefore, I'm not entitled to an opinion?

[cboy4]

128. Let's just hope you've contributed to her website.

I contribute via deductions from my paryoll check.

What are you doing to help out?

[varkam]

138. You didn't answer my question.

If irresponsible people being on welfare bothers you, you could...erm...well...write to your representatives, I suppose.

[cboy4]

146. Sure I'll get right on that. Unfortunately they're all in emergency

session this weekend, because my state is drowning in a 43 billion dollar fiscal crisis.

My gripe with you is not your opinion, but your disapproval that California taxpayers, and others, shouldn't have the right to express how pissed off we are, when teachers and first responders are losing jobs.

I know this because it's why you set up your initial strawman comment of "two minutes of hate."

Not hate.

Anger.

[varkam]

149. Where did I say anything that people shouldn't have the right to express themselves?

I believe I merely expressed disagreement.

And I don't think that the "anger" is just limited to California taxpayers. Perhaps you should be telling them that they don't have the right to be angry since they're not contributing to her welfare...or is it just people that disagree with you that you're taking issue with?

[cboy4]

156. I appreciate the people who are angry on behalf of

California taxpayers.

Your question is apples and oranges.

Now if you want to say you feel sorry for the woman, but think it's wrong that she's causing California taxpayers to pay her way .. I'd accept that.

She deserves criticism, and it irritates me to read comments from people who think she's a victim.

[varkam]

159. Okay, so it's only people that you disagree with who aren't entitled to an opinion.

Duly noted.

[cboy4]

160. Another false argument from the farmer of straw

If you can't accurately decipher my position yet, you're beyond hope.

[varkam]

161. I suppose that the hypocrisy is lost on you.

But I'll tell you what - I'm going to go right on and keep expressing my opinion regardless of what you think. I still don't believe that you, by accidental virtue of living in California and paying taxes, somehow makes your opinion more well-informed and well-reasoned than anyone else's (well, except those, apparently, who happen to agree with you).

[cboy4]

162. You keep on projecting, you know, with your blatantly false

and continuous comments that I feel I'm more well-informed and well-reasoned than people I disagree with.

I've never said that.

The bottom line is it pissed me off to hear people support this mother, but aren't contributing to her overwhelming strain on the state.

[varkam]

164. Well you certainly seem to think that you're more entitled to your opinion than others are.

Unless, as I said, they happen to agree with you. If the critical factor involved in whether or not one's opinion is worthwhile is whether or not they are paying into the tax system in California, then it would seem to me that it wouldn't matter what that opinion is - but then, as you would say, I would be wrong.

Furthermore, it's a logical fallacy in the form of a situation ad hominem. It's not as though you're doing anything special. It's not as though it takes any effort on your part to pay state taxes. It's not as though you are granted any special knowledge or wisdom through paying state taxes - so I'm really still left to wonder why it is you think that your opinion should be granted some kind of special status.

Also, do you construe a refusal to viciously attack someone as "supporting" them?

Lastly, if she is, singlehandedly, breaking your state then it would seem to me that CA has much, much bigger problems.

[cboy4]

166. Why is it you're so dishonest in the way you write?

I take the time to explain what you accuse me of is inaccurate, and yet you come back and reword the same meme.

Did I say my opinion deserves "some kind of special status"?

Of course not.

And yea, my state has a lot of problems .. most of them way more important than this woman.

But when someone is costing us seven figures, at a time when we have to trim 43-billion, and when yesterday, the governor started the process of laying off 10,000 state workers -- even though all state workers are already being furloughed two times out of the 20 day work month .... every million thrown down the drain to pay for too many kids stands out.

14 kids in one house, with no income. My God.

Sorry that doesn't seem to register.

[varkam]

167. Why is it you accuse me of lying...

when you have yet to explain how you're not begging for some sort of special status for your opinion? Maybe I just misinterpreted your screed about how, as a KY resident, my opinion is somehow less than (e.g. see your first post in this ST about how I'm not paying a nickel and live in "fricken KY"). I re-read the rest of the ST, too - you have yet to explain how you reconcile that people who disagree with you and are not contributing are assholes whereas people who agree with you and are not contributing are fine and dandy. Of course, that's assuming that the critical criteria for you is whether or not one is contributing. If I assume that the critical criteria is whether or not someone agrees with you or not...well, then it makes a lot more sense.

And is she really raking in millions on welfare? Shit, if that's the case, I need to move to CA and start a litter.

[cboy4]

168. We're making progress. You finally admitted your enthusiasm

in milking the system.

That's why I layed into you, because I could sense that.

But do hard-working taxpayers like myself a favor:

Stay far, far away from California. You sound exactly like the kind of gold-digging deadbeat we can't afford.

[varkam]

169. Oh, I forgot. You have no sense of humor.

I guess I should have added the sarcasm tag. I forgot who I was dealing with.

[cboy4]

170. The reason you didn't add the sarcasm tag is because you

weren't being sarcastic not humorous.

[varkam]

171. I "wasn't being sarcastic not humorous"?

Uh. Okay.

[wroberts189]

11. I do not approve ..but please she is no Ken Lay or G bush

I detested and almost hated this woman for a bit. Talk about bad choices.

Being childless by choice we chose to help the earth.

Now I have changed.

I hope people can find a little forgiveness here for some terrible judgment.

She did not murder and we got bankers raping us all to the point of murder.


Find some compassion in your hearts... we have all screwed up at some point.

Remember ... if she gets through this the kids will.

Buying them an xbox game..? Do you love kids or not?

[JeffreyWilliamson]

16. How about buying an XBOX game and getting your nails done...

When you have no job, live with mom who went bankrupt to keep a roof over the kids' heads, don't contribute to the rent or bills even though you collected $186,000 in disability payments that you failed to tell said mom about, and are on food stamps for the 6 kids you already have.

Me love kids, oh heck yeah. Octuplets mom? I'm not so sure about that, but I'm starting to get the impression that she very much loves herself.

As for George W. Bush, I say The Hague, personally.

[wroberts189]

34. Yes I agree.

But she is human. Sad but not all of us have the proper wiring. Mine has a few shorts in it for sure.

But look at the other truly evil ones out there and she looks a saint.

Whats her crime? Bad choices? Burden on a system that will write a check for 800 billion to banks .. no accountability required?

Don't you and others see ...she is us ..bad choices and all. And if our own leaders made the right decisions her burden on the system would be nill and she would have never been let to take those fertility drugs in the first place. Instead we just took 8 years and washed them down the drain. She is the end result. And it is our responsibility now whether we like it or not.

She has big time mental issues from her youth... its like PSTD ..you find yourself out of control.

At this point what can you do? Yell at her?

Think of the innocent kids... I hope they all have good lives.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

56. You've nailed it...........

There are always the crazies, the one who make the death threats. They still make them to Ted Kennedy every day. Imagine what President Obama is getting in the mail these days - the ones written in crayon on a sheet torn out of a notebook, unsigned, no return address.

But I think what fuels a lot of this bad behavior is the outrage felt on behalf of those poor kids. Yeah, the first thing people focus on, especially now, is the cost. It would be one thing if they had been born into a family that could afford to give them whatever they're going to need.

These kids were born into a horribly untenable situation, and the fact that most fuels the outrage is that NONE OF THIS HAD TO HAPPEN. The condom didn't break, she wasn't raped, the Pill didn't fail. This woman went FAR out of her way to get pregnant, and she did it with the collusion of a physician who is obviously as nuts as she is.

That she's psychologically impaired is obvious, and that's another factor in the groundswell of negative attention. I do believe, because I believe that people are, with some notable exceptions, fundamentally good. Their concern is for the children.

All fourteen of them.

And, yes, they are all our responsibility now. But her indulgence and madness are taking dollars away from other citizens who need care, and the money isn't going to be there.

Unfair. It's unfair from every angle. Especially unfair to all those kids.

[krabigirl]

129. sorry, i don't see the big deal here. She bought a GAME and got her nails done.

whoop-de-fucking-doo! It's not like she's on a drinking or drugs binge, or on a trip to Cancun or something.

Am I at church?

[krabigirl]

130. sorry, i don't see the big deal here. She bought a GAME and got her nails done.

whoop-de-fucking-doo! It's not like she's on a drinking or drugs binge, or on a trip to Cancun or something.

Am I at church?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

23. what the hell is wrong with her lips?

does she have angioedema?

[leftstreet]

24. DU needs a Class War forum

:eyes:

[varkam]

28. Word.

:fistbump:

[wroberts189]

35. Yes but who will represent the Grey Poupon crowd? nt

[leftstreet]

81. Looks like they've got plenty of representation n/t

[kskiska]

38. She told a British paper she has a $500 a week nanny

and that she's been celibate for years and will remain so until her kids are 18 years old.

(snip)

She gave her first interview for the UK, to The Sun and let them in on all kinds of info that she hasn't told the American media.

Nadya says that she can't remember the last time she went on a date and to think of dating now would be incredibly selfish. I think she has the selfish angle covered.

She also says it's been years since she has had sex. She said, “Boyfriends? I think I’d have to be extremely selfish. I cannot maintain a social life and be a mother. To even take one per cent of every night and devote it to someone else, a stranger, would be wrong. I have to wait for that until my youngest have left school. I can’t leave someone else trying to care for my kids while I date.” She claims she isn't going to date until the octuplets are 18.

I don't think that will be a problem. There are a lot of men out there that won't get involved in a relationship with a woman that has 1 kid, let alone 14.
She says she does have a nanny that she pays $500.00 a week to help with the 6 kids at home. Nadya says, “The nanny is very, very helpful. She works overtime and doesn’t ask for more money. She does 12-hour days.”

(snip)

Though NBC says they didn't pay her anything, an insider says that the request put on the table to film the ultrasounds/birth and interview was 1.2 million dollars. ABC and Oprah left the room but NBC stayed to play.

more…
http://www.theinsider.com/news/1679182_Octuplet_Mom_Nadya_Suleman_Has_a_500_Week_Nanny

[XemaSab]

65. So she pays the nanny 6 bucks an hour?

A dollar an hour per kid?

Of her welfare money?

And yet she has the scrilla to go to a fertility doctor, get a manicure, get her lips done, and get games for the Xbox?

"Selfish" barely covers it.

[theHandpuppet]

96. Well, at least now we know...

... where all those donations made to her website are going. I hope the IRS is paying attention.

[barb162]

70. She says she took no money from NBC and NBC said they offered none.

So how the hell does this unemployed mom get 500 a week to pay someone? The money situation still makes no sense. Unless she gets the money from her mother? I think Nadia is lying through her teeth about everything.

[rainbow4321]

72. The nanny: "works overtime and doesn’t ask for more money"

Well here we go...do we get to add a nannygate to the mix?

How many days does this nanny work? 5, 6, 7?
Let's say 5 days..that would be 60 hours (assuming she does "just" 12 hours each day)..$500 divided by 60 hours = $8.33/hour.

Is this under or over the table? Anyone paying taxes? And does the nanny get a raise now that there will be 14 kids involved????

[LisaL]

82. 500 $ a week for a nanny would be 2,000 $ a month.

That's not cheap for someone on disability payments. Where did she get the money for this, if true?

[barb162]

85. Same question(s) I keep asking. It's all fascinating where she gets the money

when she says she hasn't worked since the first kid was born 7 yrs. ago.

[arcadian]

114. She'll rip through any money she gets for book deals, interviews, etc.

1.2 million that won't last long with 14 kids, especially since she has no means of replenishing that money.

[Marrah_G]

175. She pays a nanny (minimum wage) yet is on foodstamps?

WTF?

[wroberts189]

44. I have an idea ..how about ...

We demand single payer ins. and get it.

We go find Osama.. or whoever did it.

Then find Kenny boy Lay

Then prosecute the bush admin


Then I am all for rehashing the welfare wars of the 80's in which the poor lost ..gutted as they are.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

50. "...find Kenny boy Lay"

?

[Warren DeMontague]

46. I can't say that I love Jesus. That would be a hollow claim. He did make some observations.

And I'm quoting them, today.

Judge not, lest ye be judged... what a beautiful refrain.

http://www.elyricsworld.com/new_test_leper_lyrics_r.e.m.html

The studio audience disagrees.

[varkam]

53. WWJH?

Who Would Jesus Hate?

[Warren DeMontague]

55. 'Zactly.

It's important to know who to hate, isn't it?

Feh. Like another song says, Aint No Time To Hate. And I don't know about you, but I don't have the energy, anymore, either.

[varkam]

57. Well, I posted upthread that...

I found that hate never really hurts the person that I'm hating - it just hurts me.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

62. Uh, you don't have to hate to think something is wrong...

I, too, have grown so tired of hating over these last few years that I find it hard to even hate George W. Bush. But I still have the ability to be appalled by him, and reserve the right to criticize him. Don't you?

You guys seem to think tonight that questioning someone's actions is suddenly hate. Like it or not, this woman's in the news, and the lives of her children are likely, from what we're hearing, not going to be pretty. We don't have to hate her, but we certainly can be concerned for her kids, and we also can certainly question her judgment on some anonymous internet discussion forum.

You guys need to really lighten up sometimes. This isn't some John Lennon song, it's the freaking web...

[varkam]

64. No.

You guys seem to think tonight that questioning someone's actions is suddenly hate. Like it or not, this woman's in the news, and the lives of her children are likely, from what we're hearing, not going to be pretty. We don't have to hate her, but we certainly can be concerned for her kids, and we also can certainly question her judgment on some anonymous internet discussion forum.

I'm not saying that anyone in particular hates anyone - but some of the things I've seen the past bit goes beyond "questioning someone's actions" - when you call someone a "worthless piece of shit" or "human garbage" I think you're probably bordering on the hate range - but that's just my opinion.

I'm not saying you can't be concerned, and I'm not saying you can't question her judgment. Hell, I'm not even saying you can't call her a piece of shit and threaten her life (though the law might say otherwise on the last one). I'm not saying anything as to what people can and cannot do - just offering my opinion on some anonymous internet discussion forum, sorta like you are.

And sorry if my opinions are too Lennon-esque for you.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

69. Okay, fair enough...

I'd be pretty upset at seeing that type of thing myself, and call someone out on it.

I guess my point was, I haven't done that. And I didn't start this thread to do that.

If I took the "Who Would Jesus Hate" talk in response to my OP too seriously, I apologize. It gets a little frustrating sometimes hopping online to discuss some news item and then having the Topic Police chime in to remind everyone that we should just not ever discuss anything because it's a media distraction/passing judgement on others/being hateful/:eyes:/not supporting our party/insert reason here, etc.

And it's not lost on me that we are talking on a public discussion forum, and that by even posting I'm inviting those things. And now that I think about it, perhaps that invalidates everything I just ranted about.

Oh well, it's an anonymous forum, I can admit when I'm wrong.

[varkam]

100. I didn't intend for it to be directed at you, per se.

Just at the general attitude that I see on parade in this and other threads. Passing judgment is fine, it's just that what I see goes a little beyond that into frothy-mouthed hatred. It bothers me no matter who the recipient is. Moreover, if we're going to hate someone, it just seems to me that there are so many more deserving targets of it than a mentally unhinged mother. From the look of things, people aren't too far from wanting her to be hanged for crimes against humanity.

So, I guess in a way I was using your thread to vent a little - I apologize. I didn't mean to make you think it was all on you.

[Warren DeMontague]

93. Not a John Lennon song, no.

Different band.

Anyway, of course you're entitled to your opinion, as are we all, and from the looks of it downthread you've done a little introspection on this whole thing, so beyond this post I won't belabor the point further.

For the record, I find "Octo-Mom"'s behavior disturbing. I find the actions of the IVF doctor disturbing (and probably unethical). But beyond that, I find the weird dogpiling on her REALLY fucking disturbing. I find the fact that people have even taken to calling her "Octo-mom" disturbing. If what she wanted was attention, wouldn't the best course of action be to just ignore her? Why are some weird internet stalkerazzi taking pictures of her at the video game store? The whole thing freaks me out. I just don't care. "She's news"- no she isn't. Not to me. I don't buy into our weird manufactured mini-celebrity culture. I think it's disturbing the extent to which we obsess over so-called "real" celebrities, much less these bullshit ones. It's that kind of mentality that gives me 12 different magazines at the supermarket check-out telling me about Angelina Jolie's baby, but none telling me about the Downing Street Memo. It's that kind of mentality that gives Joe the fucking plumber a Megaphone, like anyone should give a shit what that chucklefuck thinks.

She's already had the babies. Fuck. Don't lionize her, but there's no point in hating her- or in endlessly "criticizing" her, or even critiquing her behavior. So she was buying a videogame? Big F'in deal. Probably better that she blows off steam that way than with a bottle of scotch every night. I have to believe there's more important things to worry about on this planet, but maybe that's just me. 'Night.

[crispini]

103. People dogpile on everything.

It's the internet. And it's human nature. The whole thing will go away after awhile anyway. When I run up against things that annoy me, I just click "hide thread" and make it disappear from my own mental radar. Good enough for me.

[MrModerate]

49. Can we PLEASE just let this creepy story sink back into the muck . . .

Where it deserves? Doesn't anyone realize that this is exactly what this whacked-out wierdo was shooting for?

Are you actually looking forward to copycat implantations, maybe 10 or 12 next time?

[JeffreyWilliamson]

52. Copycats? I suspect this will have a thankfully opposite effect...

I think it's the Duggars, Jon & Kates, and TLC's of the world that are to blame for this stuff. I suspect Octo-Mom may be the cure when this is all said and done. I doubt after this anyone will follow her lead.

I just wish the kids didn't have to suffer for everyone else's lesson.

[MrModerate]

54. Well, maybe. I hope you're right. n/t

[barb162]

68. I think she's looking to make a lot of money off this whole thing

so the more there are photos of her getting her nails done and things like that when she likes to sit in front of interviewers telling them how she'd so anything for her kids, it shows her for the con artist she is. This is very much like the OJ Simpson story as far as capturing the public's fascination. Those pictures of her? Notice she's alone? Her mom is probably taking care of the first six for her while super- devoted Mommy Nadia's busy getting the nail polish.

[barb162]

71. You're so right. 8 kids in ICU and she's getting a manicure. DEVOTED MOM

my rear.

[rainbow4321]

74. I worked in a neonatal ICU once and saw/heard similar horror stories

One mom gave birth earlier than expected, the baby ended up in the NICU..mom flies off to her Caribbean holiday a week after the baby is born (baby still in the NICU).

Another one:
The nurses said to one of the dads that we were going to teach him and his wife how to change a diaper. Just one of those things we have to document under "parent teaching", etc... What does dad say? "My wife won't need to learn, we'll be having a nanny"... Ummmm, OK..so if the nanny happens to call in SICK one day and there is NO backup available, does the kid get to sit in shit til one shows up???

Never could understand how we had several families who hired nannies and the mom was a "stay at home" mom. You're NOT working, you have someone to look after the kid, what the HELL are you doing day in/day out???

One family hired several of our newborn nursery nurses to stay at their house overnight so the parents didn't have to get up and take care of the baby. Paid the nurses like $150 a night.

[barb162]

77. Fascinating

but at least the ones paid someone to do it with their own money (versus public aid) I hope. What I can't figure out about Suleman is where she gets the money for even the six kids plus manicures plus plastic surgery, etc ans she hasn't worked for at least seven years.

I'll tell you something...why do people want to have kids but they don't want to take care of the kids. duh. Maybe they want their genes passed on but they want nothing to do with raising the kids.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

79. I don't even know what to say about those examples...

Why did those people chose to have children at all, if they couldn't be bothered to care.

This is something that really hits at the heart of stores like the octuplets mom, at least for me...

I'm gay, I have a long-term partner of many years and stable household. We can't have children naturally, (obviously), and while we have a great home, we aren't rich, (no private adoption), and we live in Texas, (we don't have that much money, and the gay thing).

But I'd give anything to be a dad. We've talked about it for years, and would give absolutely anything to be parents. We'd adopt an older child, a special needs child. We'd give our all, and I'm not trying to be an ass about it, but I think I'd be a good dad. I'd do everything I could to be a great dad.

Why can people like Octo-Mom walk into some IVF clinic with an unethical doctor and have 14 kids while living on foodstamps and bankrupting their family--when I can't even help one child. How can the State, any State--or anyone for that matter--say that these people have a right to do what they're doing, but I can't be a dad to a child that no one wants.

:cry:

[barb162]

87. I never thought about it but now that you mention it

it costs a lot of money to adopt, doesn't it. I remember a cousin of mine adopted two kids and she had to wait a long time and she paid the adoption agency a lot of money as I recall. I guess it is still the same....

Meanwhile there are these people like Suleman who are IMO terrible parents and con artists who have way more kids than they can possibly handle. It's quite unfair.

[crickets]

88. Your post just sears my soul

It's a wonder sometimes, why some people have children at all. It's as though they don't appreciate the great gift they've been given and they're just going through the motions--or hiring the motions out and watching from the sidelines.

When there are capable, loving people who are struggling to find a way to be allowed to provide a stable and loving home to children who have no home and desperately need one, and they are denied? It's not fair, it's not right, and it needs to change. :hug:

[chatnoir]

127. God, how I wish I'd have had you for parents...

People have kids who should never in a million years be parents and no one dares say anything, even so far as the agencies keeping children in the home for the sake of 'keeping the family together' despite how damaging or unhealthy an environment. And yet people who would make some of the most loving, wonderful parents are prohibited...

It's so grossly unfair to both the children and the potential families they exclude. Reading your post made my heart hurt.

:cry: :hug: :hug:

[VenusRising]

151. Check your PMs, please,

:hi:

[Ilsa]

121. Parents who don't parent. Why did they bother having the babies?

And do they wonder why their kids don't listen to them and have emotional attachment problems? Look at the royal family, for crying out loud.

[Marrah_G]

176. My son was in NICU for 11 days with strep B

It was scary as hell. We rarely missed a feeding. I practically lived there for those 11 days.

What I remember are the crack babies and the preemies.

So incredibly sad and the crack babies were all alone, with only those wonderful nurses to care for them.

[cherish44]

75. Why would anyone fuck up their lips like that?

I want to smear hemorrhoid cream on her mouth

[barb162]

84. Best line today on DU!!!!

LOL

[theHandpuppet]

98. Not to be too crass here, but...

She's turned her mouth into a vulva. I'll let Freud explain that one!

[smalll]

78. The (ahem) "gamer" product is for herself, not for her brood -

as I imagine you know.

Do people not grow up anymore? Like even on DU, we have a large contingent (of Loungistas at least) who are HUGH fans of "Lost." -- And THEY'RE NOT 12 YEARS OLD! :scared:

Hey, We can at least be grateful that it wasn't the latest Japanese rape game (as we learned about through a recent GD thread.)

Ohh, but "gamers" are "progressive!" Who are we to judge? :sarcasm:

[XemaSab]

90. And I'm assuming you sit around reading the Russian novelists and listening to opera?

Oh, wait, you sit around posting on DU in garbage threads like this one. x(

Pot, meet kettle. x(

[Warren DeMontague]

92. Yeah, sure he/she does.... now that the primaries are over.

*snicker*.

[KittyWampus]

111. What? You DON'T sit around reading Russian novelists and listening to opera?

sheesh. So you admit to being a Philistine.

Truly cultured people like to read threads like this to pass judgement. It's our god-given right.

SARCASM

sorry, but this particular story has so much STUFF involved in it. So many things to dissect and analyze.

I'd almost hope the silver-lining is this Uber-Breeder might spark some conversation about the ethics of fertility treatments and the weird exploitation of families our mass media now pursues.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

116. And that is why XemaSab is dead to me

KIDDING.

[Warren DeMontague]

91. When I was a kid, "Grownups" did shit like have 2 martini lunches and played croquet.

It all seemed incredibly boring, to me.

Holy shit, true story, today I was flipping channels and I came across none other than Lawrence God-Damn-Motherfucking Welk!

It was like watching a train wreck.

If I remember right, he was real popular with the "grownups", back in the day.

People over 30 who play videogames and like Lost? Oh NOES!

Lost? It's a fucking t.v. show. Marginally interesting. Oh, sure, it's not as fascinating as, say, some crusty old fart with a band and soap bubbles, but it has its appeal. Hey, it's better than "American Idol". :thumbsup:

My wife's parents used to watch "Hee Haw". These were intelligent, successful, urban professional people. Don't you try to tell me that somehow people have become more inane than they used to be. :rofl:

Actually, whereas it used to suck, much of the writing on tv has gotten better in recent years- I vastly prefer shows with a longer consecutive story narrative than sitcoms, for instance. Oddly enough, as writing for tv has improved, the quality of screenwriting for film has taken a nosedive.

Battlestar Galactica, now THERE is some quality television. For Grownups, even.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

115. WTF? Your post is so mature -- I swoon in awe of your maturity

So what if people watch "Lost?" I don't like it, but my wife does, and she reads more "smart" stuff than any person I know.

Me? I love playing Grand Theft Auto. I also enjoy studying Irish history and fine wines.

Go play some Halo and get some aggression out or something.

[krabigirl]

131. Hey, I'm a gamer, and a woman - AND A MOM!! - judge away! LOL!!!

I only play a bit, but still, ooooh, let's see, I'm over 30, so I should just do what society deems proper? Eff that! Judge away, people with your views make me want to puke. And then laugh.

[Marrah_G]

177. I'm a hard working, single mom...also a gamer...also progressive.

[Amaya]

97. So MANY more important things going on

in the world (economy,environment,wars,starvation, disease.. just to name a few)and this is a story??
I personally don't give two shits if she's playing x-box, drinking a goddamn coffee at Starbucks, or getting twenty five dollar manicure :wow:

DU = National Enquirer?
:eyes:

[LisaL]

101. Maybe other posters can decide for themselves what is important/

interesting to them, and what is not? Nobody is making people who don't think this is important/interesting to post on this thread.

[Gin]

102. wonder if she has a computer and checks DU? or FR?

just a thought...gin

[LisaL]

109. With 14 kids, one wonders when she'd have time.

[951-Riverside]

135. I think someone like her has all the time in the world :) n/t

[Amaya]

108. you're right

people choose to waste their time with all sorts of things-
it's not my business.

:hi:

[ilrslr3]

106. She does have 7,6,5 year old as well ,so she may have been

getting games for them, remember she is a mother of 14 now. I saw the show with her other children and they were really cute, those twins were adorable.

[LisaL]

107. Well, yea, grandma (octomom's mom) was complaining

her daughter buys toys, but doesn't pay bills.

[Ilsa]

122. She doesn't live in the real world. In her world, someone else has to

pay for her kids and make sure she can keep her student loans to pay for junk. In her world, volunteers who might need to be earning money are caring for her kids, especially the autistic child, so she can just love on her other babies.

She hasn't come to terms with how much these kids need in attention from their primary caregiver. She even blanked out on the question about the babies' father. Curry asked her about the children needing a father in their lives and she said "he's in their lives, but not right now" and said he'd be available after they are older (as in grown up). Ann Curry didn't follow up on that as being too late.

[pipi_k]

110. Octomom manicure apologists...

Even if she got gift certificates for her manicure (and Xbox game) I have to wonder why in the hell she would even consider trying to keep her nails looking so lovely.

I wonder this as someone who had children. Bathing, picking up toys, cleaning, feeding, cleaning, changing diapers, cleaning, etc. Unless she's wearing rubber gloves with nail protectors all day long, those lovely nails aren't going to stand a chance.

Oh, and before my MIL died she lived with us for six months. ONE person. I didn't have time to get my nails done, never mind the opportunity to keep them even looking halfway decent. The hair on my arms totally disappeared from having to roll my sleeves up and down all day long. My hands were cracked and dry from all the washing they endured. My hair sometimes went unwashed so I could keep HER neat and clean and comfortable.

So this mom is running around looking for all the world like a fashion plate while she has SIX kids at home?

There is something seriously wrong here. Doesn't sound like she's getting down and dirty with her own children.

[gollygee]

112. I'm not a fan of the Octo Mom, but I don't see why there's a problem with her buying her kids a game

I have an older child and a 2-week-old baby, and it's been important to me to try to make sure my older daughter's life isn't put on hold. I'd have no problem buying her a game at this point, even with a brand new baby. Even if my brand-new baby were in intensive care, and even if I had more than one.

The death thread thing was obviously sensationalized for the news, though.

[jeffrey_X]

113. OMG! She bought coffee too!!!!!

eom

[TK421]

125. That first picture.....AFLAC!! AFLAC!!!

[Imagevision]

133. Oh relax! when's the last time you were responsible for 5 or 10 kids full time? duh!

[crimsonblue]

134. It seems the pathetic lynching of this woman has not ended.

Who gives a shit that she went to buy a video game, or got a cofee, or her nails done? She's a person just like the rest of us, and I bet her kids would very much appreciate having a game to play with. God, all of you making me fucking SICK.

[Pithlet]

139. Really. It seems the only thing that will appease the blood lust

is if a workhouse circa 1800s London is erected and she and her kids are thrown into it, and are made to beg for alms in the street. Nothing less will do. It's getting ridiculous.

[LisaL]

142. Hell. It's 21st century. No need to beg for money on the street.

But you can donate to her through the website.

[Pithlet]

144. Horrors. Get the pitchfork. n/t

[LisaL]

145. I think the idea is to get out a wallet.

If you want to donate to her, that is.

[cboy4]

148. You can't be for real.

:rofl:

[okieinpain]

137. man why is everybody so pissed at this lady. I mean isn't everyone

for little babies being brought into the world. she should be celebrated though out the world. I'm really surprised that the pope hasn't asked for sainthood for her.

[ismnotwasm]

143. What the fuck ever.

I hope like hell one of those kids grows up and discovers a cure for cancer or solves a big physics problem. It's over.

The kids are born, she's dealing with it as well as she can I suppose. Life will go on, or not. As life always does. Or doesn't. I suppose the uterus patrol, as always, is full of suggestions on how judge this woman and find her less than human. Go right ahead.

In the meantime, I think I'll save my outrage energy for little things like Darfur.

[cboy4]

147. How about you send a nice big envelope of cash to

Sacramento to help my broke-ass state afford to support this family of fifteen.

I just love hearing you out-of-staters defend this reckless woman.

Why shouldn't you. It's not costing you a nickel.

Is it?

[ismnotwasm]

150. How about I send

A big wad of cash to North Dakota or Tennessee or Kentucky? Or Fucking Piece county in my state where so many meth heads live? And how do you know I fucking don't?

Don't give ME any fucking shit. My husbands has a grown child from a women who had seven kids. She raised exactly none of them. She was a prostitute and and junkie and she didn't die. We pain child support and helped when we could.

I lived on welfare for years. And I was an able bodied mother fucker, who liked drugs and drinking. I started on the street, where the real dark side is-- nothing to do with media fantasy. I know stories that makes this woman sound like mother of the fucking year.

My point is let it go. It's red herring bullshit

You want to change the world? Make it better? You want to start by telling women when and when not to breed? REALLY? Bring the hand of holy judgment down from the internet?

Fuck that.

On edit, I didn't to mention my son's father, who has kids in several states, supported none of them and dropped dead from alcoholism. He had at least ten and not a one from the same mother. My son was the first. I suppose in your world, that's a badge of honor? Oh, wait, I understand, I shouldn't have had him, should have saved the state some money and just aborted him. Or kept my legs closed.

I'll let him know. He's 27 now.

[bliss_eternal]

152. As a Californian...

...I'm more concerned about the following costs:

The death penalty and unnecessary elections.

The death penalty

$250 million on the California death penalty (per Marin Independent):
http://www.marinij.com/opinion/ci_11441239

Also see excerpts w/in this book Top Ten Death Penalty Myths (which speaks to the overwhelming state/tax payer cost of maintaing the death penalty:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZgEoxKfAhcMC&pg=PA168&lpg=PA168&dq=cost+of+execution+California&source=web&ots=apGFKAEvH_&sig=64l3IlqT055aYS1SpQMRklDSuus&hl=en&ei=AFGaSbTzFpGYsAOfpJ2HAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result

(Florida, Texas and Tennessee are used as examples w/in the highlighted text, but the Marin article shows CA is clearly comparable).

As also reflected in last years article below:

DEATH ROW COST OVERRUN: $40 MILLION: New San Quentin housing also could run out of room, report says
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/30/MNIH121H7J.DTL

Oh and where was the concern for our budget, when the asshat gov. was attempting to build a new death facility in Northern CA. to the price of $700, 000? (see salon article below):

Will Schwarzenegger's new death chamber actually help inmates?
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/05/02/death_penalty/

This is the same asshat of a gov. (Maria's husband), who promised to "fix our budget." :eyes:

AFTER the ridiculously expensive special election that helped seat him as our governor:

Recall election to cost more than 50 million
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2003/07/28/recall_election_to_cost_more_than_50_million.html

AFTER his uber-unnecessary, egomaniac bid for a "special election," in 2003--so he could put those uppity nurses (and other state workers) in their place. :eyes:

This delightful fit of fancy, courtesy of the Gov (brought in to allegedly "fix the budget") cost CA somewhere between $42 million and $55 million (per Secretary of State website below):

What is the cost of the statewide special election?
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/faq_statewide_special.htm#8


Oh and p.s.
:applause: for your post! :hug:

[cboy4]

157. Yea, I will gladly give you "fucking shit" when I hear someone

in Washington defend a reckless breeder, who is milking my state to pay her reckless way.

Sorry but I will always be pissed off at people like this.

Stop trying to use yourself as a victim to justify defending reckless reproductive behavior.

[Political Heretic]

153. Honestly, I'm more disgusted by the amount of micro-scrutiny the rest of us are devoting to her

I would prefer it if the media would just leave her alone.

[LisaL]

155. I've read TLC is considering giving her a reality show.

[Political Heretic]

158. Ugggh.

[carlyhippy]

173. She doesn't need the attention

Hopefully it won't happen
Carly

[hope1954]

154. big families

It's what God told me!

[carlyhippy]

172. she looks a little peeved in her first picture at gamestop

she might as well get used to it, she's going to be followed everywhere by the paparazzi and she will be under scrutiny everytime she buys anything that doesn't pertain to her kidsssss. Oh and get used to not having your nails done, you won't have time to even worry about your nails, hair, lips etc., because you will be way too busy taking care of babies, you will need to spend that money on your kids instead of yourself, your mommy time is over once your babies get home.

I didn't have a problem with this lady at all until I found out how much she is getting in aid every month and she has the gall to ask for donations.

[Control-Z]

174. Meh. The nails and video games

are a drop in this woman's bucket of needs (and wants).

Her case is honestly a baffling one, I'll admit. She did something that is incomprehensible to most of us, and the outrage is understandable. But do we really want her to be treated as less than human? I think about some of the crazy choices I've made in my life, and I'm just grateful I didn't hurt more people.

I selfishly married a man I never loved for even a moment, because I was lonely and scared, and wanted the security another person could offer me. It turned out horribly for all involved. Our daughter ended up devastated when her alcoholic father fell into a vegetative coma, lasting almost three years before finally dying.

I didn't do that well with my second husband either, and have two children who have suffered for it, and that's not even the worst of it.

I wouldn't want anyone delving into my past. It would take three full, well written books for me to explain away my short comings. Even then, there would still be people who would not approve of, or understand the things I've done.

I don't know a single person who isn't ashamed of some choice they've made during their life. I'm grateful that the choices I made were not as destructive as Nadya Suleman's and I recognize that the impetus for her (bad) choices weren't all that far removed from my own.

[Marrah_G]

178. If it was one choice I could understand it

But this was 6 IVF pregnancies. The last one she knew could result in a high number of babies. She did not care about the welfare of the babies. She made a choice that she KNEW could cause harm.

Her choices do not just impact her. She has ruined her parents lives. Her father is now in a damn war zone trying to support her choices. Her choice may damn well get him killed.

[saltpoint]

179. Wait. Are you SURE this is the haiku thread?