"How The Crash Will Reshape America" - Excellent Wonky Human-Economic Geography Article...

[BlooInBloo]

It's long-ish, however. Here's a link to a fun little clicky-map for non-readers, which contains a link to the full article.


http://www.theatlantic.com/floridamap/

How the Crash Will Reshape America

Urban theorist Richard Florida explains how the current meltdown will forever change our geography.

“No place in the United States is likely to escape a long and deep recession. Nonetheless, as the crisis continues to spread outward from New York, through industrial centers like Detroit, and into the Sun Belt, it will undoubtedly settle much more heavily on some places than on others. Some cities and regions will eventually spring back stronger than before. Others may never come back at all. As the crisis deepens, it will permanently and profoundly alter the country’s economic landscape. I believe it marks the end of a chapter in American economic history, and indeed, the end of a whole way of life.”

EDIT: Capitalized Subject Line.

[babylonsister]

1. ''the crash"

:rofl: OK.

[Two Americas]

2. what could be wrong with that?

What is your objection to calling the crisis a "crash?"

[babylonsister]

3. Perhaps because there might be a rebound? I'm an optimist.

That's why. And that could happen. As likely a positive turn as a negative one. IMO.

[Two Americas]

4. that makes no sense

Of course there could be, no doubt will be a rebound.

Hoe could calling the crisis a "crash" be construed as "negative?"

What do you find humorous about it?

Would it have been a big joke in 1932 to be "negative" about what people were facing, because things were going to rebound?

I am not seeing how this is being an "optimist" at all. What sort of "optimism" comes at the expense of others, and leads one to mock and ridicule others?

[babylonsister]

6. A crisis is NOT a crash, until you make it so.

And you tried to. Sorry, I'm not buying it.

[BlooInBloo]

9. At most you're quibbling over terminology. At *most*.

[babylonsister]

11. And what are you doing? Inane. nt

[BlooInBloo]

12. Um.... yah.

[babylonsister]

13. Okay, now irrelevant. Shit, get off the pot, or go to bed. nt

[Two Americas]

15. it is not merely a public relations challenge

It is not merely a public relations challenge, and it is much larger than petty partisan concerns. Nor is your emotional state relevant to anything. I have no power to make the economic crisis worse by what I call it. Would you claim that in general the depth of the crisis is being overstated? That it is not as bad as people are saying? I would say that people have been in denial, if anything. The people are waking up to the danger, finally. Would you have everyone go back to sleep now?

We are talking about real people suffering here.

I think we are seeing the true face of all of the "loyalty" and "support" and the attacks on critics for "being negative" or otherwise wrong and not to be taken seriously.

This placing of one's own personal feelings, and vicarious triumphs and personal identification with a hero figure above everything else, and demanding that dissent be suppressed under the guise of enforcing "loyalty" and "support," is the greatest threat to the success of the new administration and to the recovery of the country.

[babylonsister]

16. And it's not merely one person's resolution of what might happen.

This will take some time. We either embrace it and see how it goes, or we can wait around and hope for the worst. Or wait for it. Or enable it. Or don't.

[Two Americas]

17. embrace what?

You say we can embrace something, or we can wait around and hope for the worst. I am certainly not waiting around and hoping for the worst, if that is what you are implying. You say that the alternative is to embrace something. What are we to embrace, and how would we do that?

[babylonsister]

19. Because we're not going to have a crash?

Things will get better? Obama got his stimulus? Or, bemoan the world and all it contains. I don't know what to do, both could apply, I'm going to bed, soon, with sweet dreams. :fistbump:

[Two Americas]

21. happy Valentine's Day to you

Sleep well.

[mitchtv]

33. a train wreck to most people is the same

as a train "crash"

[BlooInBloo]

5. TwoAmericas is right. That makes no sense.

[girl gone mad]

20. So I guess..

denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

[babylonsister]

22. Would it have been better for the rethugs to have 100% tax cuts?

What do you want? What would have been better-do you know?

Right. No one does.

[girl gone mad]

31. I think our lines are crossed.

I'm talking about the economic collapse, embodied by the global stock market collapse, bond market collapse, bank insolvencies, consumer collapse and the collapse of many currencies. I'd say that's a crash.

Unless I'm mistaken, I think you're talking about something else.

[fishwax]

7. a link to the actual article

I thought this was in the OP before the edit, but could be wrong :) ... http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200903/meltdown-geography

[BlooInBloo]

10. Nope - just linked to a link to the article.

[babylonsister]

18. Where? I must have missed it. nt

[BlooInBloo]

24. ??? There's only one link in the OP.

[babylonsister]

25. Gotcha. Ain't gonna happen. Bon soir. nt

[BlooInBloo]

27. Huh???

:rofl:

[mmonk]

8. Poses interesting questions.

I'll bookmark this for tomorrow.

[BlooInBloo]

26. Yah - the topics are of more interest than the detail of whether or not...

his specific predictions are correct. Predicting the future state of any large system is a tough row to hoe. But learning about some of the gross forces on said systems is very worthwhile.

[babylonsister]

28. Predictions being the key word. Who cares if they're correct?

On your thread? No one, of course! :rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

29. I sure hope everybody else knows what you're talking about.

[mmonk]

32. I agree. And I agree with the theme

that some areas in the US will have to be innovative in their contraction process to survive and become vibrant again.

[mmonk]

14. I saw my city mentioned as one of the areas of high

concentrations of university educated people.

[BlooInBloo]

23. self-delete - wrong branch.

[Odin2005]

30. His liberal use of "Knowledge Economy" buzzwords set off by BS detector.

When I see someone saying that "but we are an KNOWLEDGE economy now" I immediately suspect an apologist for outsourcing. The proponents of the "knowledge economy" concept, those who think the solution for outsourcing is with education and retraining, seem to forget that there are a lot of people who are simply not intellectually capable of being in those industries. A person with an IQ of 85 (average is 100) can make a decent living working in a factory, that same person cannot participate in a "knowledge economy" (or be president, as the last 8 years are proof of), if there are no manufacturing jobs that person will be stuck working for Wal-Mart or McDonald's.