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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:21 AM
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So, people who oppose H1b visas are xenophobes?
Check out the name of the contact person for WashTech. Looks like people of every culture and nationality are catching on to the fact that nobody but the boss wins the race to the bottom.

Dear WashTech Member:

A major national news studio is looking to profile people who have been laid off in the Seattle area and have kids in the house. How are you dealing with your situation? If you're interested, or if you know someone else who qualifies, pls ask them to contact me immediately. The news report will be shot here in two weeks. Pls call me for details.

Thanks,
Priyanka Joshi
Communications Specialist,
www.washtech.org
206 726 8580
priyanka {at} washtech.org

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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 07:30 AM
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1. Depends on your definition of xenophobia.
"As with all phobias, a xenophobic person is aware of the fear (of people from other countries), and therefore has to genuinely think or believe at some level that the target is in fact a foreigner. This arguably separates xenophobia from racism and ordinary prejudice in that someone of a different race does not necessarily have to be of a different nationality.

For xenophobia there are two main objects of the phobia. The first is a population group present within a society that is not considered part of that society. Often they are recent immigrants, but xenophobia may be directed against a group which has been present for centuries. This form of xenophobia can elicit or facilitate hostile and violent reactions, such as mass expulsion of immigrants, pogroms, or in the worst case, genocide.

The second form of xenophobia is primarily cultural, and the objects of the phobia are cultural elements which are considered alien. All cultures are subject to external influences, but cultural xenophobia is often narrowly directed, for instance at foreign loan words in a national language. It rarely leads to aggression against individual persons, but can result in political campaigns for cultural or linguistic purification."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia

I remember my father (not very political, but always voted repub) used to tell us in the sixties and seventies that he didn't hate Blacks. He just didn't want one moving next door because it would hurt property values. He was my father but I would acknowledge that as a racist attitude regardless of what he said about his real beliefs. You can't condone racial discrimination in the interests of preserving property values.

Most here who oppose H-1B visas would not concede to having any xenophobia (any more than my father would concede to being a racist). Can you be a racist or a xenophobe if you don't believe that you are? Is it xenophobic to oppose foreigners entering the country because it has an economic impact on me (like my father's attitude towards property values)? I am reluctant to think of my father as having been a racist, rather that he was "unenlightened" and had tinges of racism in his attitudes. Was his attitude worse because his "concern" was directed at other Americans, while one who opposes H-1B visas directs their "concern" at foreigners?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 09:30 AM
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2. Can people disagree on an issue without being labeled with phobia name calling
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:55 AM
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9. In theory, yes.
In practice, some can't be bothered to open their minds to the possibility. Irony rocks.

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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 09:31 AM
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3. Yes.
:dons flamesuit"
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 09:34 AM
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4. So called left wingers for globalization are working for the Chamber.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 09:34 AM
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5. NO!
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 09:35 AM
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6. H1b Visas had one effect on this country that is undeniable - they reduced wages
They also reduce our need for our own educational system. One might ask why would we invest in good education when our needs for well educated people to fill jobs are filled by people educated elsewhere?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:54 AM
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8. So what will you do with a nation filled with uneducated imbeciles?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:53 AM
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7. Role reversal
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