Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

PETA Urges Obama to Give Kids Vegetarian School Lunches

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:13 AM
Original message
PETA Urges Obama to Give Kids Vegetarian School Lunches
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/02/12/peta-urges-obama-to-give-kids-vegetarian-school-lunches.html

Well, President Obama this week said he was "open to any idea, whether it comes from a Democrat or a Republican or a vegetarian." So, here comes People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals with its idea: Put the National School Lunch Program on a veggie diet. "Vegetarians just may hold the solution to so many of the problems plaguing America today," says PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk in a letter to the White House. "Teaching our children the benefits of vegetarian meals would save animals, help stop climate change, and help keep kids at a healthy weight as well as help them avoid our nation's biggest and most costly killers—cancer, heart disease, and obesity. If promoting a vegetarian diet isn't already part of the proposed stimulus package, it should be."

Here's the letter:

February 12, 2009
The Honorable Barack Obama
President of the United States
The White House
Dear Mr. President,

On behalf of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and our more than 2 million members and supporters, thank you for saying that your administration is open to any idea, whether from "a Democrat or a Republican or a vegetarian." May I suggest an idea that would indisputably bolster the economy, reduce work days lost, improve the health of our nation's children, reduce medical costs, and spare millions of animals from needless suffering? Please direct the U.S. Department of Agriculture to end purchases of meat, eggs, and dairy products for the National School Lunch Program (NSLP) and replace them with healthy vegetarian foods like fruits, vegetables, veggie burgers, faux-chicken patties, and more.

As you know, obesity and its associated health problems have reached a crisis level that is now affecting our nation's young people. America's children are already overweight, and as they get older, their health-care costs will increasingly soak up money that could otherwise be invested in new American technology and businesses. As these children enter the workforce, the economy will suffer another blow as they take more sick days. Fortunately, the long- and short-term human and economic effects of the epidemic could be largely reversed by giving plant-based meals to children now in order to instill healthy eating habits in them.

As you know, vegetarian foods have no cholesterol and lots of fiber; meat, eggs, and dairy products contain a lot of cholesterol and have no fiber. No wonder that meat-eaters are nine times more likely to be obese than vegans are. The American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada are among the many health organizations that are reporting that vegetarians have "lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease; ... lower blood cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer."

In addition to harming Americans' health, the meat industry is a leading cause of environmental degradation and pollution, is energy intensive, and causes enormous animal suffering through debeaking, dehorning, castration, and other painful procedures, which are carried out without any painkillers. Conditions of intensive confinement, inhumane transport, and poorly regulated slaughterhouses also cause animals great stress and fear.

Because of the lobbying efforts of the meat and dairy industries, NSLP meals are heavy in saturated fat- and cholesterol-laden animal products. We ask you to direct the USDA to reverse its policy of propping up these politically powerful industries at the expense of our economy, our health, our children's health, and animals.

A bright, healthy future for our economy and our children can begin with a nutritious, delicious vegetarian lunch in the school cafeteria. We would be happy to discuss this proposal further or to advise you on this issue. Thank you for your consideration.

Very truly yours,
Ingrid E. Newkirk
President

more (reader comments follow)...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:17 AM
Response to Original message
1. This should be brilliant!
:popcorn:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:28 AM
Response to Original message
2. ya.... like that`s going to happen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:38 AM
Response to Original message
3. With or without a carton of breast milk?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:42 AM
Response to Original message
4. PETA is a disgusting organization....
Just one example of the low moral standards they operate by. They should be minimized, and ridiculed into obivion, and I have zero respect for them, their methods, and anyone who agrees with them. They are a scourge to progressives everywhere. They should be thankful my grandchildren were not recipients of this crap in my presence. Fucking waste of human flesh and breathable air. My opinion. Thanks.
quickesst

<>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. I've been an animal rights vegetarian for 27 years and I pretty much agree with you!
I'm also a hospice nurse. I go into people's homes they offer me food. They have no money. To be judgmental and condescending is just pure arrogance and pointless. People are people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #5
84. "Animal rights vegetarian"
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. I worry about the "your mommy kills animals" one...
How many mommies do YOU know who have fur clothing? That shit costs WAY too much...the filthy rich still buy it, but the moderately rich would rather add a room onto their homes or buy the 7-series BMW instead of the 5-series.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #4
59. Stuff like that only manages to turn people off and cheapens their message in my opinion
Some of these over the top gory things they do are the main reason I stopped donating to them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
79. They ARE ridiculed into obivion.
The only way they can keep the spotlight on them is continuously doing stupid publicity stunts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:50 AM
Response to Original message
6. PETA: Recruiting the Next Generation
(Because we just know how kids love to eat their vegetables.)

:rofl: :rofl:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:58 AM
Response to Original message
7. Sounds like a reasonable idea - at least to have some veg days in the cycle
Just like it's a good idea for schools to buy fresh and local as much as possible. A diversity of meals will keep kids healthy and teach them there are wise food decisions outside the pizza-burger-taco cycle. There's no reason that the schools should be the dumping ground for corporate overproduction (to the extent that it is; I really don't know)...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. Those wll be the days the kids don't eat
Brilliant.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. It depends on what kind of vegetarian options they have
Also if it has to be vegan. Like, my daughter's school has a cheese pizza day, and mac and cheese sometimes, and scrambled eggs sometimes. They aren't vegan but they are vegetarian meals. And popular meals with the kids. But still not as nutritious as I'd like so I pack a lunch for her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #18
58. Are scrambled eggs PETA approved
:evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #58
62. LOL, no I know they're hard core
but I have to think they'd prefer a step from burgers and hotdogs to eggs and grilled cheese?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #18
80. Read the OP...
No dairy products. PETA does not approve of using dairy products. Forget Mac and cheese and anything else with cheese - like pizza.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. Yeah I've re-read it and saw that
though I did respond to that in the other reply - I've got to think PETA would prefer some vegetarian options to no changes at all. Baby steps. But the idea that all schools in the US are going to switch to only vegan foods is ridiculous. Not gonna happen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #81
88. Unlike the Democrats, PETA understands there's no point compromising at the beginning.
They're getting the idea out there. As this thread demonstrates, there's a fair number of people who might not want an all vegan cafeteria, but would support a vegan/vegetarian option. And then who knows where things go? The more kids become aware where they food comes from, the greater the possibility they'll move in the direction of vegan meals.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #12
22. Kids will pitch fits for all kinds of reasons - that's no argument against
making healthy and sensible decisions. And, the notion that they won't eat on vegetarian days is predicated on the erroneous assumption that meat free food is automatically unappealing. It's easy to find quite tasty vegetarian meals, which was my point about veg days showing students that they can branch out (the leaves, anyway) dietarily and still enjoy their food...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #12
40. Were all meat eaters in my household, but we sometimes have veggie meals.
Our kids eat them without problems.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #12
90. because spaghetti is so unpopular with children?
my kids love the veggie corn dogs and chik'n patties way more than the regular ones, and they are meat eaters. Ever try them?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #90
92. No
And never will. I'm a dedicated meat eater.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #7
27. I think there should be a healthy veg option everyday
There were always a couple options in the schools I went to. It shouldn't be that hard to make one vegetarian. At the HS I went to, you couldn't even get a salad without meat on it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. That would be ideal. I went to a one-option school, so that's what I'm
picturing, but a range of healthy choices would be best...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. I went to a school without lunch options for a few years, but it was a Catholic school
They only offered lunch once a week, anyway. They'd bring in fried chicken, pizza, Blimpie subs on the days when they offered a lunch.

There were always a few options in my middle school, and by HS, there was two entree options every day, plus pepperoni pizza, salad (with meat), pasta with meat sauce, hamburgers, chicken patty sandwiches, cheesesteaks and a line to order deli sandwiches. The sandwiches were pretty good, but eating cheese sandwiches everyday got boring, even with a full selection of cheese.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #27
46. I agree with this.
I don't think it's the place of the school system to mandate vegetarian meals, but I *do* think that there should be a vegetarian option every single day. I also think that there should be a greater variety of fruits and vegetables in non-veg meals; the endless canned fruit cocktail and raw celery/carrot sticks hardly EVER get eaten, because kids get tired of them fast. There would be less food waste if there was a larger variety; the food waste alone completely destroys the "But it'll cost more!" argument, because if kids were actually eating more of their lunches, less taxpayer dollars would be thrown away every day. It's no wonder that kids reject veggies so frequently; who on earth would want to eat that same old crap day after day?

School-lunch veggies are really bad PR for healthy eating.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #7
51. That's a great idea
At home we eat vegetarian about 2-3 times a week. I have vegetarian cookbooks that have some great recipes. There are lots of people who think a meal isn't a meal without meat but it's not true... The meat they serve in school lunches is often only a step above low grade dog food anyway!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:08 PM
Response to Original message
8. A policy to make school kids hate PETA one vegan meal at a time.
:applause:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:30 PM
Response to Original message
10. Sound like a good idea to me
What's wrong with feeding kids a healthy meal for a change?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #10
28. I see nothing wrong with an occasional veggie meal and I'm sure most schools
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 01:50 PM by pnwmom
have them.

I can remember from my own school lunches macaroni and cheese, and cheese pizzas.

Not all veggie meals are particularly healthy and not all veggie foods are healthy for every child. My child is limited as to the grains she can safely eat; if she were prevented from eating meat, fish, and eggs as well her diet would be severely limited.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:32 PM
Response to Original message
11. I don't see why they couldn't have 2 veggie days a week or something
Not a bad idea.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:39 PM
Response to Original message
13. Poor, poor PETA. (shakes head)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:42 PM
Response to Original message
14. If I were a cynical conspiracy theorist...
I'd mull over the possibility the PETA is covertly funded by a shadowy consortium of conservatives for the sole purpose of portraying liberals as woo woos who lash out with sporadic outbursts of antisocial violence.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:46 PM
Response to Original message
15. Newkirk wasn't dressed as a Klanswoman when she wrote this, was she?(nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #15
41. No, she was wearing her customary cloak of self righteousness
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #41
94. You'd think someone would take her aside once and tell her that
Ingrid doesn't look good on Ingrid.

They'd be so much better off without her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:48 PM
Response to Original message
16. My kids school offers veggie meals in addition to other meals
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:49 PM
Response to Original message
17. If I were a Republican, I would donate every spare cent I had to PETA. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:53 PM
Response to Original message
19. Probably would be cheaper. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:56 PM
Response to Original message
20. Excellent idea, lets FORCE a vegetarian diet on our kids at school
how could this possibly backfire?

I have no problem with offering vegetarian choices, but forcing children into vegetarian-only lunches isn't right.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. Why is it not right? I'm not a vegetarian, but 'm not seeing any moral
obligation for schools to always have meat on the menu. The only obligation is to provide a sufficient, nutritious, and hopefully enjoyable meal - which can easily be done without meat. If there are multiple entrees to choose from, I'd agree that they should be diverse every day, but my recollection of my far-distant cafeteria days is that it was one choice per day, listed out well in advance.

If there's any moral component at all, I'd say it's in favor of mixing in vegetarian days, if only to minimize the degree to which kids who are vegetarian are set apart...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #23
32. Your reasonable suggestion is NOT what PETA is proposing.
PETA isn't proposing mixing in some vegetarian entrees. You must have missed this part of their letter:

"Please direct the U.S. Department of Agriculture to end purchases of meat, eggs, and dairy products for the National School Lunch Program (NSLP) and replace them with healthy vegetarian foods like fruits, vegetables, veggie burgers, faux-chicken patties, and more."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #32
54. You're right, I did skip that part and it certainly puts a different meaning
on the post I replied to. Still, I would not consider an 'all veg' menu to be any more or less moral/right than a consistently meat containing menu, judging exclusively on those factors.

I think the school purchases should be based on nutrition, appeal, cost, and local impact - and whatever menu is best by those criteria should be chosen. Ideally, that would be a diverse set of veg and non-veg selections...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
drbonnerlover Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #20
31. But the Mystery Meat ones are?
Seriously, this would guarantee at least one high-fiber, antioxidant-rich meal a day...It's not like kids who eat meat have to eat in at every meal!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. You can guarantee a high-fiber, antioxidant rich meal a day without
banning the purchase of meat, eggs, fish, and dairy products, which is what PETA is proposing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
drbonnerlover Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. They are "banning" it from lunches...There are two other meals a day + snacks
for meat, eggs, fish, and dairy. I think that is plenty. Just my opinion...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. While they're at it, why don't they ban all products containing wheat, barley,
rye, and oats?

My child and I would like that.

That leaves two meals a day with gluten for the gluten-tolerant, which is plenty.

:sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
drbonnerlover Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Does this really bother you? Because I would think, even if you were the most dedicated omnivore.
that knowing your kids would be getting their veggies and overall meals formulated with health in mind would be comforting! Because those school lunches are absolutely disgusting! I used to work in a school and one of my co-workers always touted the pizza, so I decided to try it one day. I think I got down one bite before I wanted to throw it up. Just bleached flour (very thick crust) with icky, sticky cheese and virtually NO pizza sauce. Ugh.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. For gluten-intolerant people, there is nothing healthy about having more
(or any) wheat, barley, rye, and oats -- which would be pretty much guaranteed under an all vegetarian regime.

The fact is that vegetarians are in a small minority. So are the gluten intolerant. So we deal with it -- we don't expect everyone else to limit their options to conform to our own.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. No, it wouldn't be
Trust me, I am well-versed on celiac and you obviously just know nothing about a vegetarian diet. I suggest you research vegetarian options for your kid. It would open up their limited food choices.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #38
71. Yes, I'm sure that the fine people who F'd up something as simple as
pizza will have no problem making all veg meals appetizing. :sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #36
48. Plenty of vegetarian and vegan options out there for celiacs
I honestly don't see what celiac has to do with this. It's a disease, and honestly, if my kid were celiac, I'd make their lunch regardless. Of course, there's probably more things your kid could eat on a healthy vegetarian menu than the typical non-veg school lunch.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #48
55. By your reasoning, vegetarians should make their own children's lunches.
Rather than try to inflict their food limitations on others, the vast majority of whom do eat meat or meat products.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. I think gluten-free options are a good thing (and easy to do)
I just wouldn't trust a school cafeteria to read all the ingredients and pull it off safely.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. I don't trust the cafeteria, in my daughter's case. But there are are range of
people now who have found that they are healthier without gluten -- not just Celiacs. And many of those people are able to tolerate the small amounts that my daughter has to avoid.

Actually -- I do trust the cafeteria when it comes to things like cartons of milk, which the PETA proposal would also ban. It is difficult to get enough calcium into many children as it is, without eliminating milk from one of their meals.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #61
86. Yes, I'm aware of the range of people who avoid gluten
I actually know more about it than I could ever possibly need for myself.

Look, I don't agree with the Peta proposal to go totally vegan, but I think there should be vegan options. If they're offering milk, why not a soy milk option, as well. Your kid could drink soy milk.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #86
95. I don't have a problem with them offering soy milk or more veggie options --
but I disagree with any orders for school districts not to purchase any meat, fish, eggs, or dairy products for school lunches.

My child does happen to be allergic to soy, so that isn't an option for her. But I would be happy if it were offered for those who want it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #20
42. They're already "forcing" a meat-atarian diet on 'em
what's wrong with veggies?

While I strongly doubt school lunches will be going all-veg anytime soon, I don't see what's wrong with offering a vegetarian option or having 1 or 2 veggie days per week. That's what we had to do in the 70's. Meatless ??? Wednesday? Tuesday? I forget since Mom decided to go "meatless" two days a week.

dg--who walked to 10 miles to school every day in South Texas in blinding blizzards uphill both ways
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #42
69. As I said, I have no problem with providing veg only options.
Or even providing a number of veg-only days during the week (which I'm sure would spark another groups protests if that day happened to be friday during the catholic's "lent") but PETA's suggestion is that ALL options every day are veg only.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #42
75. Every Time
I look at my neice's school lunch menu it looks like they are forcing a crapatarian menu in kids. Pizza, french toast sticks, tacos, mac & cheese, nachos.... Ugh, it's disgusting. All processed junk food.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #75
83. school food was crap when I was in school
except for hamburgers (for some bizarre reason) & enchiladas (since it was South Texas after all). You couldn't pay us to eat what they called "pizza." :puke:

Most of us brought our own stuff from home, except for Wednesday (enchilada day--some sort of tradition all around south Texas) & Friday (hamburgers!).

dg
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #75
93. I've known a few crapatarians in my day...
Seriously, I have friends in their thirties who seem to eat nothing but the foods you listed. Having them over for a decent dinner is nearly impossible.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:58 PM
Response to Original message
21. I would love to see schools funded well enough to be able to provide a vegetarian alternative
Just making a meal vegetarian doesn't necessarily make it healthy though. I would like to see better nutrition guidelines overall for public schools.

What school was featured in Bowling For Columbine? The school for troubled children that served healthy, organic food? After the switch, the school noticed a dramatic decrease in bad behavior. Other schools should look into that program.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #21
63. that was also in Super Size Me
where he visited a school that served organic food, and grew some of their own food. The behavior problems in the kids decreased.

I have no problem with going veggie maybe one day a week, but don't immediately end it.

Besides school cafeteria food is usually not that good.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. Thanks! I confused the documentaries.
I remembered that scene, but I messed up on which documentary I saw it in. :blush:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
24. If PETA really wants this thing to go through, they would let either the
Global Health Council or the National Child Health Council ask President Obama to do it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AyanRand Is Dead Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:18 PM
Response to Original message
25. Oh for goodness sakes.
You know there's sometn=hing really twisted about indocterinating children.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RushIsRot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:27 PM
Response to Original message
26. Life in school would be a drag without the many meals of
Mystery Meat.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
drbonnerlover Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:44 PM
Response to Original message
29. This organic organization also wants to plant an organic garden at the White House! Bravo!
The Obamas favor healthy meals and I believe would champion these causes.

The SAD (Standard American Diet) lives up to its name. High in saturated fat, animal products, and refined carbs, it is low on fiber and other healthy elements found in plant foods:(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 01:56 PM
Response to Original message
37. Maybe make it an option, but forcing all schools to go veggie?
Yeah. Not fucking happening.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
39. "Is it meat or is it cake? It's MEATCAKE!!!!!!"
Carlin. Gawd, I will miss that man.


Laura
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #39
65. LOL I forgot about that one!
Carlin was king wasn't he? The meat they serve in schools is horrible. The mystery meat with green gravy thing still lives on...For some kids though it's the only hope they get of having a meal that's not 100% processed crap or fast food.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #65
73. Sadly, for some kids it might be the best meal of the day.
Makes me sad to have to say it, but there are kids going hungry and those school lunch programs might just make the difference for those kids.



Laura
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
remoulade Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. Apparently school food has changed enormously since I was there. Our schools employed
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 04:37 PM by remoulade
students for most of the jobs, not cooking but most everything else - I made good money working as the cashier in the cafeteria line...we had very high quality, excellent food with plenty of well prepared vegetables - almost everyone would have 1 or 2 bowls (9 cents ea) in addition to a meat item (28c)

fixed punctuation error
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
43. I need a burger!
:D
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
44. The proposal makes sense to me.
I'm not a vegetarian, but I provide soups and sandwiches for my students just for the heck of it on a regular basis, and 99% of the time it's vegetarian - usually vegan, because it is healthier and better for the environment.

For many of the kids, it's their first exposure to "vegan" as a concept, and generally they are surprised that it's so tasty.

For both environmental and health reasons, it seems like the responsible choice to make, and while I can make personal decisions that are bad for my health or irresponsible, I support state policies that are healthy and environmentally friendly.

I'm not sure why there's so much anger at this proposal. Are people really that pissed off that their child may have to eat 5 vegetarian meals a week? I don't even understand the anger at the so-called brainwashing of our kids into being healthy. That's a good sort of brainwashing, kind of like how we force them to take gym classes and try to brainwash them into exercising and doing well at school. I'm having a hard time getting bent out of shape at the notion of schools indoctrinating kids into being healthy and environmentally responsible.

Can someone explain to me why a proposal that is healthier, financially smarter, and better for the environment is causing such outrage on DU?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. In the case of my child, it would make lunch unhealthier, unless they also
banned the purchase of any food products containing wheat, barley, oats, and rye -- which are toxins to the gluten-intolerant.

But I realize that my daughter's dietary needs shouldn't limit other children's options. And vegetarians shouldn't seek to limit the options of non-vegetarians.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #49
67. Accommodating food allergies
seems unrelated to PETA's proposal.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:17 PM
Response to Original message
47. I'm an unashamed ominvore
but I think more vegetarian lunches would be great. So many kids eat nothing but junk at home.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RadicalTexan Donating Member (607 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:20 PM
Response to Original message
50. I'm vegan and I hate PETA
just checking in.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #50
85. Me too. And I'm sick of having to apologize for them.
There's nothing wrong with looking to replace the meaty cheesy crap that kids are fed with more healthful alternatives. However, it doesn't help when the group promoting it is coming off a week-long media blitz regarding their dressing up in Klan outfits in New York.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #85
96. No need to apologize for them. They did what they had to to expose the workings of the AKC.
Link to PETA undercover video of Westminster Dog Show follows the snippet from the LA Times.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2009/02/peta-protests-w.html

<edit>

True to the promise it made last week, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals turned out at Madison Square Garden today to protest the 133rd annual Westminster dog show.

Group members, decked out in Klansman robes and armed with brochures that read "The KKK and the AKC: BFF?", argued that purebred dogs suffer from breeding practices designed to produce show winners rather than healthy animals. A sample statement from the brochure (written in the first person as if by a Klan member):

Like the Klan, dog breeders who subscribe to the AKC standards are all about the sanctity of "pure bloodlines." So what if beagles have epileptic seizures, Dalmatians are deaf, and pugs can barely breathe because of how they are purposely bred to look a certain way? Looks are everything!

In a statement, PETA Vice President Daphna Nachminovitch referred to what she termed the AKC's "fetish for body image," saying that the kennel club's promotion of purebreds "means money for breeders but creates sick dogs and vet bills for their guardians."

<edit>

Further, PETA and other animal activist groups argue that dog breeding compounds the issue of pet overpopulation, with homeless dogs dying in shelters for lack of homes while breeders continue to produce new puppies. The brochure handed out by hooded protesters today elaborated on the connection PETA draws between pet overpopulation and dog breeding:

We tip our hoods to breeders who are responsible (oh, they'll modestly say that it's only "indirectly") for the number of mixed-breed dogs who never make it out of the animal shelter alive. AKC officials don't rub out these "inferiors" directly, but they know that every "purebred" puppy bought from a breeder means "lights out" for another mutt at the animal shelter.

more...

Link to PETA video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4QLleYNQpw&eurl=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2009/01/peta-responds-t.html

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:21 PM
Response to Original message
52. My daughter's school has a vegetarian choice for lunch everyday.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #52
56. Clearly, the school kids must be starving where she goes
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #56
64. for sure, they turn sideways and you can't even see them!
i still pack my kid's lunch everyday, she's 14, it's like the only thing left i can still do for her, she's humoring me and that's okay. Kid also went vegetarian about a month ago, her choice not mine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #52
76. Vegetarian or vegan?
Peta doesn't want any meat, dairy, or egg options at all. Not vegetarian alternatives, only vegan options available. I agree that having vegetarian options is a good idea, and even vegan options, but that doesn't appear to be what they want. If the vegan meals would appeal to the kids, it would be fine, but if the kids won't eat it then there isn't any point.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lady President Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:27 PM
Response to Original message
60. Veggie Options Seem Reasonable
Way back in the 1980s, the school that I attended had a veggie option every lunch. The school had a large population of Jewish and Muslim students. Having a veggie meal ensured that everyone had something to eat. I think a lot of posters would be surprised about how many veggie meals were chosen. I eat some meat, but I always picked a veggie burger or mac & cheese over some scary grey meat. Realistically, a vegan menu would be a tougher sell for the average kid.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 03:11 PM
Response to Original message
68. I would be all for having a vegetarian option for kids
IF it was feasible financially. Vegan probably would not work, but vegetarian would.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 03:22 PM
Response to Original message
70. This is a big heaping load of Bullshit on PETA Bread
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 03:29 PM
Response to Original message
72. Schools should offer a variety of foods
Veggie options would not even be that expensive tbh.

Rice/other grains + beans/other legumes along with a side salad.

I need to go to the doctor soon for a physical, I'm sure he'll be pleased with my cholesterol compared to how high it was getting prior to me becoming a veggie.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 03:54 PM
Response to Original message
74. One Of The Dumbest Things I've Heard Asked Of Him Yet! Leave It To Peta LOL
What a bunch of ignorant morans that group is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #74
87. Pot meet kettle
Kettle meet pot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:36 PM
Response to Original message
78. Healthy foods for kids at lunch=great idea. Unfortunately, PETA is a full-of-shit, extremist org.
that has zero interest in the health of human animals, young or old. All they care about is granting equal constitutional rights to chickens and such.

No one listens to them, because most of the crap they spew is such obvious idiocy. Here, they have half a point. Too bad it's obscured by their reputation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TimeChaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:07 PM
Response to Original message
82. Veggie options: Cool. Vegan only cafeteria: Not cool
The title is misleading. I'd love to see more healthy vegetarian and vegan options at schools (and everywhere, for that matter), but forcing school cafeterias to go 100% vegan... No.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 07:15 PM
Response to Original message
89. Oh for the love of PETA...
I'm a vegetarian, and when I have kids they will be too (until they're old enough to decide for themselves and cook, too). This is dense as all get out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:16 PM
Response to Original message
91. PETA sucks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 24th 2024, 10:46 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC