More insanity in my paper-Obama is not after God's heart

[w8liftinglady]

http://www.thedailylight.com/articles/2009/02/15/opinion/doc4997847d21b2d006892082.txt
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"In these “tough” times don’t get caught up in the media or the government, but instead get caught up with God, God of Israel. He is the only power that can save you. Put your full trust into God’s kingdom and not Obama’s. Not only is he just a man, but he is a man that is not after God’s heart.

No wonder the country is where it is."

Good Lord-how do you even begin to argue with that?Can you?

[BlooInBloo]

1. There's little point in arguing with the insane or irrational.

[Buzz Clik]

2. A letter to the editor? Our paper prints about 5 nutbag diatribes a day.

I guess it's part of their therapy.

[Coyote_Bandit]

3. You can point out the absurdity

of what has been said to folks who already recognize it. Or you can point out the many conflicting "Christian" political agendas.

But the only wa you will influence the person who made that statement is to make an argument that appeals to their faith. Faith based voters use faith based reason. Lots of ways to approach that - but don't try if you are uncomfortable or unfamiliar with that faith.

Folks either recognize the insanity of the statement - or they require a faith based argument to show them the error of the statement.

[w8liftinglady]

7. I basically pointed out the "Godliness" of the previous adm(Since Obama's only been in office 3 week

and quoted this
James 3:13-18 (New International Version)

Two Kinds of Wisdom
13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.
17But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.

[Bluerthanblue]

4. can't read the full text- but

my thoughts are that Pres. Obama has never claimed to be anything other than a man, that his desire is to see that the poor do not go without, that the sick are able to get care, that we not continue to imprison and abuse people who we cannot prove have done anything wrong. He emphasises that it is not HIS power, but the power of "we"- that will achieve anything. He has a humility and honesty that is not often seen in politics.

As for where we should put our trust- Where did all the 'faithful' place their trust post 9/11? Was it in 'God' or in the military might that GW Bush unleashed upon the world? GW Bush bragged that he was going to wipe evil off the face of the earth. If that isn't someone who believes they are 'God'- I don't know what is.


:shrug:

[w8liftinglady]

5. sorry-here it is

To the Editor,

George Washington, the first president, stated, “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and future.”

Thomas Jefferson, the third president, stated, “Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis — a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.”

And now you have a president that has just recently stated, “The federal government is the only power that can save the nation in time of crisis.”

Wow.

How far has this country come not from race and having a black president, but from establishing a nation founded with leaders who followed God and wrote our constitution with the principles that made this country what it was. Not is but was.

In these “tough” times don’t get caught up in the media or the government, but instead get caught up with God, God of Israel. He is the only power that can save you. Put your full trust into God’s kingdom and not Obama’s. Not only is he just a man, but he is a man that is not after God’s heart.

No wonder the country is where it is.

[Bluerthanblue]

6. thanks- well, I wonder what this person's view of this statement

would be-

"“Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration, will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance, or insignificance, can spare one or another of us. The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the latest generation. We say we are for the Union. The world will not forget that we say this. We know how to save the Union. The world knows we do know how to save it. We — even we here — hold the power, and bear the responsibility. In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free - honorable alike in what we give, and what we preserve. We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.”



A.Lincoln — Annual Message to Congress, December 1, 1862.

he clearly put the "power" where it is- in the hands of the people- If that isn't true, then "God" is a very cruel and evil force.

[Posteritatis]

8. Duh. Everyone knows he's really after God's adrenal glands (nt)

[mitchum]

9. "God of Israel" means jackshit to me

[Mz Pip]

10. The country didn't get where it is

in just 3 weeks. It took 8 years of GW Bush, who supposedly was chosen by God, to put us in this mess.

God does not micro manage the universe. We have to clean up our own messes.

[Bluerthanblue]

11. word-

the same GW Bush who boasted that he would wipe out evil from the world.

:shrug:

[spin]

12. Thomas Jefferson had a few interesting things to say about religion...

I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/thomas_jefferson.html

The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind ... to filch wealth and power to themselves. , in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
http://www.anotherperspective.org/advoc550.html

"Christianity... the most perverted system that ever shone on man....Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."
http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?id=6177

But Jefferson did believe in "a fabricator of all things."

I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a new view of the Universe, in its parts general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition. The movements of the heavenly bodies, so exactly held in their course by the balance of centrifugal and centripetal forces, the structure of our earth itself, with it’s distribution of lands, waters and atmosphere, animal and vegetable bodies, examined in all their minutest particles ... it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe that there is, in all this, design, cause and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a fabricator of all things from matter and motion ... We see, too, evident proofs of the necessity of a superintending power to maintain the Universe in it’s course and order.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, quoted in Lester Cappon, ed. The Adams-Jefferson Letters, (1959) p. 592, describing an almost universal reason for believing that a Creator exists --almost universal, that is, until Charles Darwin published Origin of Species, thereby providing an explanation for apparent design
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/jefferson.htm

[treestar]

13. Why do they presume President Obama is not religious

He ends every speech with "God Bless America." He said at the town hall to a lady who said she was praying for him that he believed in prayer. Whoever is saying this does not pay any attention to what the President actually does or says. They're just assuming from the generalization that he is a Marxist or something else equally looney.

[Jazzgirl]

14. I wouldn't even waste my time trying to argue with that idiocy.

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