What ever happened to that women who was pictured with the Abu Graib prisoners?

[Mind_your_head]

One on a leash and over by a dead body 'on ice'? (Geez, I can't remember her name right now). Her "boyfriend" (with thick glasses had some kind of hierarchy over her....

Charges were filed against her, and then she got pregnant (to avoid jail-time?).....

What was her name again? And how has life "all worked out for her", so far?

[Horse with no Name]

1. Pvt. Lynndie England n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

2. Lynndie England.

She's probably still in prison.

[Oregone]

3. Was it lyndie england?

[ColbertWatcher]

4. According to Wikip*dia ...

... she is out (dishonorable discharge) served over 500 days plus parole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynndie_England

Way more than her superior officers.

[rpannier]

5. Sort of a jinx or she's lived a jinxed life

In addition to Abu Gharib

-...a night job in the same chicken-processing factory in Moorefield made famous in a PETA video

I did think it was interesting that she had worked as a storm chaser to pay for college

Why am I not surprised at this?

-Their sentences ranged from no time to 8-1/2 years. No officers have gone to trial, though several received administrative punishment.

[The Brethren]

8. Pass the buck syndrome

from the top level down. Can't ruffle the feathers of those at the top who were calling the shots. That would create too much of a political PR mess.




The Stimulus Plan ("American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009"): Orig. House version -- http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf , House spreadsheet -- http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pV-c6t5fOVmNorqMpHvnCMw ; Senate version -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_02_The_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009.pdf ; and Senate compromise -- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1 , Text and $$$ details of Senate compromise -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_08_UPDATED_Appropriations_Provisions_of_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act.pdf?CFID=4043629&CFTOKEN=40573040 in addition to -- http://readthestimulus.org/amdth1.pdf ; along with -- http://www.readthestimulus.org/ .

[Mind_your_head]

10. Yep, that's who I was thinking of.......and I was just looking at wiki myself and

I agree....she got waay more than her superiors got (but that doesn't discount the fact of what she did)....under orders or not.

I've not been in the military. So it's difficult for me to understand the dynamics of what would happen/what's the 'proper procedure for when you KNOW that "obeying an order" order is morally wrong.

Speaking of THAT.....what has been the fate of Colonel Masuda? (<----- I know that spelling is wrong). He followed his conscience all-the-way. I hope it worked out well for him.

[ColbertWatcher]

11. I think there's way more to Miss England that anyone is letting on.

She was only--how old?--when she went into the Army, sent to Iraq to stand guard for a job she was not trained for.

To give another view, here is an alternative history of Lynndie England.

http://www.wikiality.com/Lynndie_England

[BrklynLiberal]

6. ...and wasn't she pregnant via a soldier in her unit?

[rpannier]

7. Graner the mastermind... Well the enlisted mastermind

He wound up marrying another woman -- Who was also involved in the incident

[BrklynLiberal]

9. Sad story all around. If she had any luck at all it would have been bad luck

[rpannier]

12. This on England

In addition to Abu Gharib

-...a night job in the same chicken-processing factory in Moorefield made famous in a PETA video

I did think it was interesting that she had worked as a storm chaser to pay for college


Why am I not surprised at this?
-Their sentences ranged from no time to 8-1/2 years. No officers have gone to trial, though several received administrative punishment.

[Mind_your_head]

13. Administrative punishment?

A desk job in the back room with no staples requisitioned for the stapler machine!!!!!!

:wtf:

What "happened" to them? More importantly. MOST IMPORTANTLY what of the prisoners? What happened to THEM? What's their 'story'?

[rpannier]

16. Administration Punichment

When I was in the Army it meant you couldn't be promoted.
This effectively put a bar on your re-enlistment.

The punishment basically comes down to

You can't re-enlist. Your career is over.

It has NO teeth unless you were one re-enlistment away from retiring.

[BrklynLiberal]

19. Responsibility trickles down....

:mad:

[rpannier]

20. Responsibility trickles down

Credit trickles up

[2Design]

14. yes - she and the others are in prison instead of rumsfeld and bush who ordered

the torture - they were part of it - but according to rumsfeld he was only sorry about the pictures and that was the only thing he thought was wrong - not the torture

[snake in the grass]

15. You're talking about two different cases.

The one pictured over the dead body was Specialist (in what?) Sabrina Harman.

According to Wikipedia, the true source of knowledge:

"Harman was sentenced to six months in prison with credit for 51 days already served and a bad conduct discharge. She reportedly showed no reaction while the jury foreman read each of the verdicts, and she left the building without offering any comments to the press."

and:

"A letter home quoted in The New Yorker<1>:
Oct 20, 03
10:40pm

Kelly,
Okay, I don’t like that anymore. At first it was funny but these people are going too far. I ended your letter last night because it was time to wake the MI prisoners and “mess with them” but it went too far even I can’t handle whats going on. I cant get it out of my head. I walk down stairs after blowing the whistle and beating on the cells with an asp to find “the taxicab driver” handcuffed backwards to his window naked with his underwear over his head and face. He looked like Jesus Christ. At first I had to laugh so I went on and grabbed the camera and took a picture. One of the guys took my asp and started “poking” at his dick. Again I thought, okay that’s funny then it hit me, that’s a form of molestation. You can’t do that. I took more pictures now to “record” what is going on. They started talking to this man and at first he was talking “I’m just a taxicab driver, I did nothing.” He claims he’d never try to hurt US soldiers that he picked up the wrong people. Then he stopped talking. They turned the lights out and slammed the door and left him there while they went down to cell #4. This man had been so fucked that when they grabbed his foot through the cell bars he began screaming and crying. After praying to Allah he moans a constant short Ah, Ah every few seconds for the rest of the night. I don’t know what they did to this guy. The first one remained handcuffed for maybe 1 ½-2 hours until he started yelling for Allah. So they went back in and handcuffed him to the top bunk on either side of the bed while he stood on the side. He was there for a little over an hour when he started yelling again for Allah. Not many people know this shit goes on. The only reason I want to be there is to get the pictures and prove that the US is not what they think. But I don’t know if I can take it mentally. What if that was me in their shoes. These people will be our future terrorist. Kelly, its awful and you know how fucked I am in the head. Both sides of me think its wrong. I thought I could handle anything. I was wrong.
Sabrina"

A shame that those responsible are not held to account. This will remain a stain on all of us.

[Aristus]

17. Butt-ugly, bone-stupid trailer park bitch.

Yeah, her superiors threw her under the bus, but she should have known what she was doing was fucked up...

No sympathy...

[JI7]

18. anyone remember the guy who exposed this stuff ?

Joe Darby ?

i found this on wiki

<The disclosure was not received well by the community in which Darby and his wife, Bernadette, were living in Maryland.<4> They have been shunned by friends and neighbors, their property has been vandalized, and they now reside in protective military custody at an undisclosed location. Bernadette said, "We did not receive the response I thought we would. People were, they were mean, saying he was a walking dead man, he was walking around with a bull's-eye on his head. It was scary."<5>

On the other hand, CBS reports that former neighbors from one of his childhood homes in Pennsylvania were proud of him<6> Darby has also said that soldiers in his unit shook his hand afterward.<7>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Darby

[Mind_your_head]

21. Messengers of the truth aren't usually well received INITIALLY.

But they are hero's. And MOST, not all, will be recognized as such eventually :-).