I'll post this as a stand alone...

[catnhatnh]

From another poster earlier:

There is a new bill proposed by New Hampshire's top liquor law enforcer that suggests a one-drink-per-hour limit at local restaurants and bars, according to a newspaper reports.

SeacoastOnline.com reports the law is aimed at combating drunk driving.

State Liquor Law Enforcement Chief Eddie Edwards suggests that bar and restaurant owners would only serve one drink per hour, four at a sitting. According to the paper, Edwards defines one drink as an ounce of spirits, 5 ounces of wine or 12 ounces of beer. "Here's the criteria - you can only consume so much alcohol," Edwards told the paper. "If I give you four, five drinks an hour, you should know that this makes someone intoxicated."

Despite the safety benefits of this law, many bar and tavern owners are not happy about it, because the proposal would cut into business

To which I replied:

I once suggested the incorporation of "DAMN"...

Drunks against meddling ninnies. Your personal experience of a negligent homicide should not trump the legal rights or 150 million adults. And back when they started enforcing a legal limit of .20% they nearly had a point since that was near impairment for all drivers. But of course now we're down to prosecuting all adults at .08% while they press to legislate lower. Of course with dash cams a more reasonable approach would be to prosecute actual apparent impairment vs a fairly arbitrary blood reading that affects individuals differently. Sadly enough even if we reached equity with airline pilots of 24 hours "bottle to throttle" they are in fact not advocates for safety but zealots and would begin their push for a 36 hour limit.

Edited to add:Oddly I don't see them as vociferously proselytize against cell phone use which is exactly what the old women who t-boned my brothers car and broke my ribs and his wrist while totaling his car was doing at 9:08 in the morning.If you care about practices that are irresponsible and kill and injure innocent people, how did these zealots miss this??? What color is THAT ribbon?

[Ian David]

1. See also: IS THE WAR ON DRUNK DRIVING FACT-DRIVEN OR EMOTION-DRIVEN?

Drunk Driving
IS THE WAR ON DRUNK DRIVING FACT-DRIVEN OR EMOTION-DRIVEN? 3/24/06

Is it possible that strict enforcement of ever more aggressive “drunk driving” laws is not only costly, in every sense of the word, but also a great example of taking action based upon untrue, emotion-driven conclusions?

Is MADD a neo-prohibitionist movement bent on ending social drinking?

Now as always, let me be clear. I’m not here to defend driving after drinking any amount of alcohol. In fact, I’d guess that nobody will defend that. But in fact, that could be part of the problem if my upcoming guest on the Truth-Driven Thinking Podcast is right – nobody is taking the other side of this argument, and there are unanticipated costs that result.

Dr. David J. Hanson, retired sociologist from State University in New York, Potsdam, will be joining me as an expert in alcohol related statistics on my upcoming Podcast/Internet Radio show (listen for free when it airs within two weeks). Dr. Hanson hosts two web sites, www.alcoholinformation.org and www.alcoholfacts.org, and has been studying and compiling data on alcohol for years as part of his work in sociology. A great deal of information can be found on his web sites and I’d urge you to check them out.

On the point of the data, much information is available that parses the alleged “lie” of MADD and our government HTSA figures. Are they right? I don’t know, you be the judge.

A couple web sites with all the citations, arguments and data:

http://www.geocities.com/dammdrinker/HTMLcontents.html is Stephen A Beck’s web site. Also see www.getmadd.com.

By all means please listen for free to my Podcast interview with Dr. Hanson, Wednesday, March 29th, 2006. You can listen on any computer, MP3 player, IPOD or other mobile device with audio capabilities.

More:
http://www.truthdriventhinking.com/drunk_driving.htm

[Phoenix-Risen]

2. I have a DAMM t-shirt

Drunks against mad mothers.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

3. Good for you................

And you're absolutely right about cell phone use. Screw that nonsense about "hands-free" headsets. The same part of the brain that you use to drive that car is what you're using to talk on the phone - that's documented - and the brain cannot do both at the same time.

I'm glad you and your brother are all right. We need the hot dogs. And that relish, about which I fantasize.

But, this nonsense about limiting drinks just makes me want to break out a big, icy bottle of vodka and chug it. When did we turn into a Nation of Nannies? When did everyone decide that they were going to do whatever they could to legislate the behavior of people who didn't do things exactly as the Nannies thought they should be done?

It's the same assholes who carry around that stuff to keep "germs" off your hands, and who continually scrub their kids. They'll have a germ-free world, by damn, and then everyone will live forever, no one will ever get sick, and everything will be perfect.

They are in for such a big, bad surprise when Life overtakes them.

I don't smoke, and I hardly drink, but fuck all if anyone is going to legislate my doing so if I decide that's what I want to do. Maybe I can't smoke in someone's restaurant, but, trust me, I'll find a way to have my smoke waft into your precious little germ-free world.

And then I'll throw up on your car door handle because you forced me outside to smoke after I'd had too much to drink.

Good on you, cat, and I hope those ribs are all better.

[catnhatnh]

8. When the smoke clears, they can Kiss my lilly white ass

I am and always have been the one your momma warned you about. I do NOT drive drunk. That said if you ain't driving either, old number 7 is gonna die. I'm old Irish and waked grandma that way. I've done drugs in ways most people don't know and reserve the right to scream at the moon tomorrow if I choose. I have lived wrong in ways they cannot even imagine to legislate. Yet I managed to marry to a woman far finer than me who died and I mourn her still. She was young and wild and worthy and the mother of my three children. They have no right to weigh or judge or to legislate the soul of another human and I spit on any who would rule on numbers rather than facts. The ones who push the legislation have never danced under a moon or let themselves be free. I am not surprised their "triumph" is to stop the human dance.

I've paid my way and suffered my losses and their opprobrium has never been about what I do, but always about who I am and why if asked right a fat old man would dance naked tonight. That is what they hate.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

9. Would it be forward of me

to tell you that I love you?

But right this moment, I truly do.

What will ultimately bring the Nannies all crashing down is that we keep dancing, no matter what they do, and that, more than anything, will hasten their demise.

Take my hand, you grand, grand fellow.........................................

[catnhatnh]

10. Once a young hippie girl...

took me to the sand near a cottage on Long Island Sound on a summer's eve while Elton John played "Tiny Dancer" from speakers nearby.If it plays tomorrow I am back there. She was young and slender and dark and tonight I remember the swell of her belly and my amazement.

We drank Boones Farm and gave to each other. It's been a while since I danced but I remember how to worship life and what the dance is about.And a small girl who taught a crude boy that the giving and taking of joy was the finest thing.

I love you too, and all that ever danced. And wish I'd done it better and sooner, and more often.

And thank you for kind words...My real name is Roy...because I thought you might like that.

[aikoaiko]

4. This is New Hampshire? NH, USA? wow, its changed a lot since I lived there.

:shrug:


Not even the Baptists in GA have tried such a law.

[TahitiNut]

5. As a "Designated Driver" for 20 years, I regard it as ridiculous that they try to prevent ...

... people from the mass slaughter of their own brain cells. After all, unless people destroy their brain cells how will Republicans get votes??

:dunce:

[catnhatnh]

6. And yet you see my point....

...and support my post.

[TahitiNut]

7. I abhor prohibitionists of any stripe. They disgust me.

They disgust me even further when they style themselves as "liberals." I'm TOTALLY in favor of education and valid science (i.e. not "for hire"). I'm insistent on penalties for false advertising and pseudo-science with a commercial interest. At the same time, I feel it's a moral duty of anyone in a democratic society to tolerate SOME indirect risk from the free behavior of all. The alternatives are just far more appallingly bad.

I happily incur the cost and inconvenience of being an available designated driver for any friend, neighbor, or relative at any time of the day or night, willing as well to return them to their cars the next day, in order to support their freedom to drink as much as they want. I also offer ashtrays to smokers.

I regard it as consistent with being a liberal.

[catnhatnh]

11. You I like...

and I've read a ton of your posts. And I recognize that you've faced financial hardships and how easy it would be to just blame others and be bitter. And you ain't,but instead support others without condemning. Which is rare and why I love this board and it's people.