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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:43 AM
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"Our entitlement costs are killing us"
That's not an attributable quote, but it is typical of all the many and varied experts out there bloviating on and on about what a shame it is that we have all these entitlement costs and how they're draining us.

How about we end those FUCKING TAX CUTS for the people who don't need them? And then INCREASE their taxes. On a sliding scale. Until, at the top, it gets to be confiscatory.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:48 AM
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1. let's eliminate health care/retirement entitlement for congress and state legislators nt
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:49 AM
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2. How about, 'our military spending is killing us'?
When you hear them whine about entitlement costs you know they're leftover Bushies. They're everywhere in the media. Too bad we can't vote pundits out of their jobs like we did GOP politicians.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:50 AM
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4. Absofuckinglutely!
When they want to bring down our military spending in line with other budget items, then I'll listen to them whine about "entitlements."
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:53 AM
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6. We can't afford to be an empire...
...and it is no longer an economically viable option anyway.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:19 AM
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14. No shit. Watching the History Channel last night there was a program
about ancient China. It mentioned how the Han dynasty fell because of the massive amounts they were spending on their military and the building of the Great Wall.

Was there EVER an empire that did not collapse because of its military spending?

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:21 AM
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16. We have a more recent history lesson:
The collapse of the USSR. And we have learned nothing from it. We could have made lasting friendships with other nations like Russia. Plowshares and pruning hooks, all that. But no, we had to elect a bunch of belligerent dumbasses who did everything they could to rekindle the Cold War and ran off on Darth Cheney's great neocon adventure in Iraq.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:50 AM
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3. BushCo's bogus war killed us.


And they're still laughing all the way to the bank.


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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:51 AM
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5. corrupt pols and bureaucrats from both sides are killing us,
by funneling money to those who have bribed them.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:57 AM
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7. Cut the politicians pay and benefits, too......nt
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:57 AM
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8. It's a bullshit reich wing meme - the defense budget is killing us,
as is unnecessary wars in countries all over the world, and undertaxing the wealthy.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:09 AM
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9. Here's the big one they want to kill:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090302/greider?rel=hp_currently

Governing elites in Washington and Wall Street have devised a fiendishly clever "grand bargain" they want President Obama to embrace in the name of "fiscal responsibility." The government, they argue, having spent billions on bailing out the banks, can recover its costs by looting the Social Security system. They are also targeting Medicare and Medicaid. The pitch sounds preposterous to millions of ordinary working people anxious about their economic security and worried about their retirement years. But an impressive armada is lined up to push the idea--Washington's leading think tanks, the prestige media, tax-exempt foundations, skillful propagandists posing as economic experts and a self-righteous billionaire spending his fortune to save the nation from the elderly.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:14 AM
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10. The looming retirement of the Boomers just makes they crazy to spend the dough
before we draw on it.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:58 AM
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11. We should play "Let's Make A Deal". When those who say that are willing to slash the
military budget to less than $200 billion a year and we return the tax rates to pre-Raygun rates, we'll talk about 'entitlement' programs.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:59 AM
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12. but those wars overseas, they're keeping us afloat.....
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:13 AM
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13. and yet, not one retired registered ReRushican is willing to give up his
GM pension to save the company ...
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:26 AM
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15. "Entitlements" is another name for Social Security which is next up on the chopping block.
We need to stop this bullshit and get the word out that "Entitlements" and "Fiscal Reform" is ALL about stealing Social Security from all of us! :grr:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:35 AM
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17. Grrrr! I hate that term "entitlements"
Is it one of Newt's lil' glossary words?
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