OMG!!!! Just saw that cartoon. SO racist and hateful.

[efhmc]

What sponsors can I boycott? Money is the only way to hurt these people. HYPOCRITES and horrible hatefulness.

[MrPerson]

1. Worst I've ever seen.

[efhmc]

4. I have been hearing about it all day but just saw it. What in the

world makes this okay? I am a person who grew up in East Texas a long time ago when it perfectly okay to do and say these types of things. I never thought that 40 years later it would still be okay!!!!

[MrPerson]

6. Even the monkey and typewriter thing wouldn't explain it.

This is out and out offensive.

[efhmc]

10. Seriously, I get more and more depressed on a daily basis, as

an old feminist and as an old liberal (well really as just an old person). What the heck do I tell my 5 and 7 years old gsons about their country? I swear to you this country was more what is should be in the 70's than it is now.

[Political Heretic]

54. Are you fucking serious?

Has the whole goddamn world gone MAD?

[Why Syzygy]

2. Doesn't seem like the 21st Century, does it?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/usPoliticsNews/idUKTRE51H7N420090218

New York City Councilman Leroy Comrie said he received numerous calls from outraged constituents.

"To run such a violent, racist cartoon is an insult to all New Yorkers. This was an unfortunate incident in which a human being was seriously injured, not an opportunity to sling dangerous rhetoric," Comrie said in a statement.

[efhmc]

7. Please read my response to the first post. This is absolutely

disgusting. It goes so far beyond political differences. It goes to the heart of bigotry.

[Why Syzygy]

12. I share your outrage.

I'm in the process of using my personalized news google to "search" it onto the headlines page.
This needs to be revealed and put to shame.
(search "chimp" or "NY Post")

http://news.google.com/

This is bullshit:
In a statement, Post Editor-in-Chief Col Allan said: "The cartoon is a clear parody of a current news event, to wit the shooting of a violent chimpanzee in Connecticut. It broadly mocks Washington's efforts to revive the economy. Again, Al Sharpton reveals himself as nothing more than a publicity opportunist."

[efhmc]

16. If this is a serious response then he is an insane, totally

disconnected amoeba, not human and unaware of the lives and feeling of others.

[Why Syzygy]

50. It's even worse... (page layouts)

The artist, Sean Delonas, depicts two cops standing over the chimp's bullet-riddled body, one with a smoking pistol.

"They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill," the other cop says.

As any member of the species Homo sapiens knows, Obama championed the stimulus package. He may even be betting his presidency on it.

A photo of the President signing the stimulus bill appeared in Wednesday's Post, one page before the cartoon.

Readers who turned the page went right from Obama photo to the chimp drawing.

Really.

The cartoon's conscious intent may have been to say the stimulus bill as written by Congress is such a mess it could have been penned by a monkey.

But say "stimulus" to readers and they rightly think "Obama."

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/02/18/2009-02-18_new_york_post_has_gotta_apologize_over_o-1.html

[derby378]

3. Unfortunately, no boycott will bring down the POST

It was founded in 1801 by Alexander Hamilton - which means the Post has some staying power. No mere boycott can bring it down, especially with Murdoch in charge over there now.

[efhmc]

9. I am not trying to bring it down. I just want someone,

somewhere to know that this is not okay. (BTW I was in Crawford with Cindy about 4 times.)

[derby378]

15. Maybe we bumped into each other at the chow line?

There was a ton of DUers there. That's where I first met babylonsister, too. :hi:

[efhmc]

22. I remember it well. From the beginning when it had

been raining a lot and we stayed in the bar ditches and were then moved on by the sheriff. That was at the start before the big tent area and before the dedicated land. Do they still have a presence there?

[derby378]

49. That means you are DEFINITELY hardcore

My wife drove down to Crawford with Guy James to spend a day in the ditches with Cindy, and they knocked back a couple of Coronas while discussing Casey, Iraq, and the madness of it all. That was also before the big tent - the only reason I didn't spend the day down there was because I had a previous engagement in Dallas I couldn't back out of.

[liberalmuse]

5. Nevermind violent.

I'll never fucking have anything to do with the NY Post again. FUCK those assholes. They demean people who are offended by this. If you are gay, black, hispanic or even a woman, and you think something is offensive, you damn well know what it feels like to be laughed off as being silly, which only serves to further dehumanize you and make you insignificant because you have the audacity to be offended by blatant bigotry.

[efhmc]

14. Good grief. You are so perfectly correct. It always does my heart

good to hear that there are people like you in the world. I am blowing you a kiss from Central Texas, like it or not.

[MrPerson]

8. The cartoonist broke federal law. No joking allowed.

People have done time for this.

[efhmc]

11. What the hay are you trying to tell me?

[MrPerson]

13. You can't even joke about it. People have done time for that

[efhmc]

17. Are you saying that this is a real or preceived threat?

Really did not understand.

[MrPerson]

20. It doesnt matter if it is a joke. No need to prove intent.

Just that the threat was made.

[efhmc]

24. Do you think it will be persuaded and if so by whom?

[MrPerson]

25. Obama may have to protect the office.

[efhmc]

30. Just how would this happen. The secret service?

[MrPerson]

31. They investigate. The US Attorney seeks the indictment.

They will investigate.

[efhmc]

32. Do they have to prove intent. Can't they site artistic license?

[MrPerson]

33. No intent needed. They have to prove a threatening utterance.

[efhmc]

34. Not holding my breathe on this one.

[LanternWaste]

57. You can of course city instances

"People have done time for this...."

You can of course cite contemporary instances in which cartoonists have done time for publishing a cartoon...?


Edited to qualify-- no need to go back to the American Aurora and the use of the Sedition Acts to illustrate something that may have happened recently.

[barbtries]

18. ok i just saw it

was there supposed to be something humorous about it? yuck

[efhmc]

21. Not funny and I do not think it was meant to be funny. I think it

was meant for a certain group of people (rwingers and repubs and others) who know the code and get it. Believe you me, I have lived with and around these people all of my life. They have been forced to not be quite do blatant with their racism but it is still sooooo there.

[tnlefty]

19. Don't look around too hard or you will see people here who

don't see the racism (unless you want to see it, of course), nor the undertones of the racism and violence and the implications of both.

[efhmc]

23. I cannot speak to that personally being a white gal but I can

to the allowed and supported sexism that occurs here on a daily basis.

[tnlefty]

26. So am I. Raised in GA and sometimes I think that those of us

who grew up when it was blatant, then hidden yet joked about, to the coded words and language, to the present day, yeah, and it's in your face, but we'll twist and turn it around and try to throw it back in your face for noticing, type of code, we really know it when we see it.

I remember being a very young girl when I heard 'porch monkey' for the first time and asked about it. You don't want to know the answer that I received.

The caustic non apology from the editor of the NY Daily Crap is an example of the modern day it's in your face, but we're gonna turn it around on you for noticing bullcrap.

[efhmc]

28. I was lucky in this regard. I had a mom who not only told me that

all people should be respected (and never to use the n word or get whipped if I did) but who gave money to the nieces of the lady who work for us to go up north to become nurses since there was nowhere in the south for them to get education. Never understood what this meant until I was an adult. She also never told me this. I found out about it from others after she died.

[tnlefty]

36. The point that I was trying to make, is that the symbolic

depiction in that cartoon, and the screwed up non apology by the NY Daily Crap is an example of melding the blatant racism of the past with the in your face, but we're gonna turn it around on you for noticing, crap that goes on today. You were offended by the cartoon, so I think that on some level you processed your past into today and were offended.

And, yes, I've seen posts where it was stated that there was nothing to see unless a person wanted to see it.:shrug: I saw it right off the bat and was aware of the intent.

[efhmc]

45. Okay, a bit too convoluted for me but I do think that having seen

the naked face of racism that I can id it even when it masquerades as "political commentary'. Plus I will be reticent about sharing any more of my life stories.

[tnlefty]

48. I think that we're on the same page,

I stated that it was racism pure and simple from my point of view, it is what it is. It is my past that led me to see through the excuses of those who would try to say it's not racist.

Why would you be reticent about sharing your life stories? We all have them and some of those stories lead us to where we are today. Sorry if we got off on the wrong foot.

[efhmc]

56. No prob. It was probablly time for some sleep.

[Zodiak]

58. I have noticed that a lot of us red-state DUers immediately responded to this POS cartoon

Being immersed in a sea of racism makes one keenly aware of dog-whistles.

[LBJDemocrat]

27. What cartoon? nt

[efhmc]

29. See if this works for you.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlBBpB0_XF-eJt6GGtXCSl5bfV1AD96E6PC02

[Bucky]

35. You've seen just a tiny slice of the tortured, paranoiac psyche of the hard right

Honestly, it doesn't even make sense as a metaphor. It seems to be saying that the stimulus was written by a runaway rabid animal--or maybe some other wild forces that have to be put down for public safety. I guess, it really doesn't even function on a logical level. Sure, I'm appalled by throw-back 19th century racism, but the lack of coherent thinking behind the mechanics of the cartoon is probably more significant. It hints at the darker reality that there are conservative Americans out there who literally can not be reasoned with.

[efhmc]

38. You are right, it does not work as an analogy. That is what

makes it so racist. Having no basis in realistic thought as a comparison means it is meant to conjure up the rw response of those who think of African Americans as less than human.

[Dreamer Tatum]

37. Not seeing it.

I see an unfunny cartoon that implies the stimulus bill was written by monkeys.

I see yet another corny, hokey reference to Congresspeople being stupid. We've had jokes like
this forever.

Not seeing it.

[efhmc]

39. Do you know the history of showing African Americans as apes?

This has been done repeatedly to lessen their humanity.

[Dreamer Tatum]

40. I'm aware of it. Are you aware of the comedic goldmine that is politician=idiot?

I think that's what's at play.

[efhmc]

42. I cannot read the mind of the 'artist' here but i think any editor

with an ounce of awareness would have scuttled this attempt at humor.

[Cid_B]

52. I agree...

The joke is that the bill is so poorly written that it must have been done by a monkey. Also as a side note, even though it is Obama's baby didn't Pelosi and her folks actually write the bulk of it?

[Dark]

41. I don't think it was purposefully racist. I think the cartoonist simply didn't think it through

and didn't pay attention to how that could affect people.

[efhmc]

43. Could be, but where was the editor or someone in charge to

see it for what it is?

[Zodiak]

59. The BS non-apology that followed indicates that the Post doesn't care that people were offended

So that kinda blows the whole "who me?" defense out of the water.

This is a right-wing rag with a cartoonist with a long history of this sort of thing. Multiple people made this judgement, and multiple people issued a non-apology yesterday.

Political cartoonists are well-aware of their own history of images...claiming ignorance of that falls very short of the mark.

This is what racists nowadays do...they use coded language, and when people get offended, they then blame the OFFENDED people for thinking that way. This a different flavor of racism, but it still smells like dogshit.

I do not believe their bullshit excuses for a second...and anyone else that does is being precisely the kind of fool these racists like to hide behind,.

[Control-Z]

44. And self proclaimed "proud black man"

Ron Christie (domestic policy adviser, Bush administration), on Anderson Cooper, has the gall to try and argue it's meaning. Bull shit. Bull shit. That cartoon just spews racism.

[efhmc]

46. Being part of the bush administraiton means pretty much not

not having a clue about anything human.

[Control-Z]

47. True that.

Always looking for the exception, though.

[serrano2008]

51. So if one person draws a cartoon ambiguously and someone else interprets it as racist....

Who's the racist one?

What you get out of comedy and art is all based on your interpretation of it.

The most racist thing about this whole story is that certain African American's, anytime they see a chimp/ape/monkey in anything think it's always about them.

The cartoonist here wasn't saying the chimp was an African American, when I saw the cartoon I didn't see the chimp as an African American, but when African American's (and some others) see the chimp in the cartoon as an African American, they're the ones who are being racist by propigating the stereotype that chimp/ape/monkey equals African American.

Not only that, but by then coming out and shoving it down everyone's throats in the news that this cartoon is racist because chimp/ape/monkey always equals African American, they're actually promoting this stupid message that chimp/ape/monkey always equals African American, so kids that didn't know this message before or others who didn't even think of this when they saw the cartoon, are out there learning that chimp/ape/monkey always equals African American.

If you really are trying to move forward so that we can live in a world where chimp/ape/monkey doesn't always equal African American, then stop calling all chimps/apes/monkeys symbols for African American's yourself. If a cartoonist is too much of a coward to draw an African American in their cartoon so they draw a chimpanzee instead, call the chimp a chimp and that makes the cartoonist look stupid, it doesn't make the chimp an African American.

[wickerwoman]

53. So if I were to say "you're retarded"

then you would be the one who was prejudiced against people who are mentally challenged because you're the one making the association between the word "retard" and its negative connotations?

[serrano2008]

55. I know you're really just calling me retarded...but this is a good analogy.

If you called me retarded, I would say, "well actually I'm not retarded so you're incorrect." That makes YOU look bad because you are the one making the association and I'm pointing out to you that calling me retarded is not true. Then it's a non-issue and next time you'll think of something else to call me because your "retarded" insult didn't work because it wasn't true.

On the other hand if I said, "What? YOu're crazy I'm not retarded!! That's horrible! I can't believe you think so low of me. Hey, everybody can you believe wickerwoman called me retarded? That is the worst. I'm shocked that she would use such insensitive language and hurl such a massive insult at me by calling me retarded." In this scenario, yes, I would look like the asshole because I took a stupid statement that is obviously not true, and I blew it out of proportion and am now actually promoting the idea that "retarded" is bad and is an insult and I'm letting the whole world know even, that the more you call me "retarded" the more you are being insensitive.

[hiphopnation]

60. m'eh

just can't muster outrage when i look at it -- don't know why