Email I received from a conservative friend

[108]

Where do I even start on this garbage?


The American Left and Islamic Right both dislike what America stands for, so for now they hold hands in common cause like a pair of gay lovers standing in line to get their marriage certificate. It of course doesn't matter that the Islamists oppose the very freedoms and social justice reforms liberals champion, such as gay rights, reproductive freedom, equal rights for women, a state free from religious constraints, etc.. We've seen this before: the Fabian Socialists on their knees licking Lenin's boots; decades later Mao became their hero, and then in the 1970s the left rooted for Khomeini to overthrow the Shah of Iran, who's liberal "white revolution" gave women the right to vote, free food to mothers with babies, ended feudalism, extended public health benefits to rural areas, and so on.

The Islamists and leftists both believe in a socialist utopia. But the two utopias are quite different. The Leftist utopia could not co-exist with the Islamist utopia. Islamists would not allow freedom from religion, for example. In the end leftists would meet the same fate as Mrs. Hassan.

So why is there a Leftist-Islamist Alliance? Both hate capitalism and western civilization, so for now they're teaming up against a common enemy. Islamists and leftists both see history occuring in stages leading up to their vision of utopia. The fall of capitalism is part of that process.

And so we see Noam Chomsky meeting with Hezbollah, leftists feeling sorry for Saddam and Gitmo terrorists, Hugo Chavez claiming that he and the Iranian president are two brothers united by a single fist, Carlos the Jackal writing that only an alliance between Islamists and Marxists can topple America, Fidel Castro claiming that Iran and Cuba together can bring the U.S. to it's knees, Ramsey Clarke offering support to Ayatollah Khomeini, Islamists and leftists both favoring mass immigration, communist law firms working on the side of Gitmo detainees, and so on.

[Last Stand]

1. "Pay no attention to the economic collapse before you. Repeat: Pay no attention..."

Running out of talking points again? (sigh)

[tekisui]

2. Send them a Koran.

[kentauros]

33. Here's a copy:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/

:D

[Hello_Kitty]

3. Jesus. So many strawmen in that email it should be considered a fire hazard. eom

[Peregrine Took]

4. No offense intended but I couldn't have a "friend" who openly disparaged my

political views - especially in such a stupid and insulting way.

Reich wing family we are stuck with but "friends" - no.

[rurallib]

8. And you can certainly limit contact with family if need be.

[AndrewP]

30. That's where I am at. Who needs that in their life?

[Zodiak]

5. I wouldn't call someone who sends this shit to me a "friend"

Life is too short to suffer assholes.

[Glorfindel]

6. Do what I do: "If you want to remain my friend...

please do not send me any more filth like this. Thank you." The message works remarkably well.

[rurallib]

7. Seems your friend is an idiot. Are your enemies any smarter?

Welcome to DU. I jest of course.
Were it me I would send them <copy all> a note that went something like this:
"You realize that this is nothing but a conglomeration of right wing talking points and unsubstantiated and false charges.
I no longer have time to put up with this kind of crap anymore. Due to the Bush disaster I am now working to jobs and must cut down on frivolous use of electricity. Reading email like this falls in the latter. Please take me off your email list.
When the recovery kicks in and I am down to one job and can afford some free time, I will notify you so that I can read your uminformed screeds on how Obama ruined the economy.
Sincerely,
108"

[Contrary1]

9. Ask your friend to explain this in his own words, that you would really like to hear his

thoughts on the topic(s).

Bet you don't hear back from them, but if you do; the response should be interesting.

[blondeatlast]

12. No more calls; we have a winner.

Perfect way to deal with them.

[Sherman A1]

22. Precisely

This is the best answer.....

[jobycom]

10. No place to start. They've never met or listened to a Muslim, a terrorist, or a liberal.

The basic rejection of the whole thing is in the first line. The Left loves America, the Right hates it. The Right wants it to become Nazi Germany, the Left wants it to live up to the goals and dreams of the Founders and our founding documents, the Declaration and the Constitution. The Right only wants the Second Amendment, and wants to throw out everything else, especially the parts about equality and separation of religion and government. In that, they are perfectly in alignment with the handful of Muslims who actually support terrorism.

The line between Muslim fundamentalists and the Republicans is so thin it's invisible, which explains why Bush gave Bin Laden everything he could have wished for after 9-11. I suspect that if Bin Laden is still alive, his nickname for Bush would be Genie, because he's granted so many of Bin Laden's wishes.

Beyond that, the person is so uninformed and delusional as to not really be worth talking to, at least on politics.

[Enthusiast]

14. But they listen to Limbaugh every day.

So they know all about Muslims and liberals

[jobycom]

16. Which is another similarity between the right and the few Muslims who are terrorists.

Both listen to some hate-filled moron define the other side and convince them to despise to the point of slaughter a group of people they've never tried to understand or know.

[Enthusiast]

39. Yup. nt

[Individualist]

11. Your friend obviously enjoys showing his ignorance.

[Enthusiast]

13. Utter crock of shit. nt

[blondeatlast]

15. Why do YOU think this is garbage? There's a good start right there.

Then ask said friend what s/he thinks.

Get back to us on the conversation, willya?

[108]

32. This is what I had immediately replied with

So the American left is equal to Islamic Fundamentalists...that's pretty far fetched...the left is what keeps Christian Fundamentalists from creating their own version of the Islamic State...Islamic States have no "left"...

You say that they could not exist together, which is true, but then you tie them together by your laughable assertion that the left hates "what America stands for", capitalism and western civilization...

Again, what is your version of what America and western civilization stands for? Also in your eyes, what would America look like without the "left"?

[Morning Dew]

17. Khomeini has been dead nearly 20 years and RW republicans believe the same things as RW Islamists

hate gay rights
hate reproductive freedoms
hate equal rights for women
hate a state free from religious constraints

RW fundies and Islamic fundies are the doublemint twins.

[road2000]

25. Carlos bit the dust quite a while ago too. n/t

[NEOhiodemocrat]

18. Welcome to DU!

[JHB]

19. Start with the sender

Ask him if HE believes all that, and ask him why. Let him defend his own views, at length.

[annabanana]

20. skinny profile . . . . n/t

[havocmom]

24. skinny OP remarks on 'friend's' RW talking points too

Still, and all, we welcome OP to DU. For now.

[Alcibiades]

21. Your friend is an idiot parrot

He's simply repeating what he's been told to think by other nutjobs. Look for the tell-tale phrases such as "Leftist-Islamist Alliance." The so called paleoconservatives are all rabid about a leftist-Islamist alliance that exists only in their own imaginations. They spew about this as a kind of chaff to deflect attention from the very real alliance between big oil and Saudi Wahabbis.

[sufrommich]

23. You know. I have some republican friends, but if I got an email

like this from one of them,my reply would be a short and sweet "comrade,you've fallen off the deep end,seek help",then I would have as little to do with them as possible.

[frebrd]

26. How can you trust a conservative enough to call him/her a friend?

I try to avoid conservative acquaintances as much as possible.

:)

[Mother Of Four]

27. I have conservative friends...

And they would never send me a load of codswallop like that-

You might want to reassess what it means to be a "friend"

A friend respects your views even though they may not agree with you 100%

Heres a good example:
Man we've known for over 5 years works with my husband. Hubby and he were discussing the stimulus package.
Hubby declared that there were some things I liked, and others I didn't (I won't go into that right now) Surprised he replies
"I feel the same way about those things..."
Moment of quiet...
Man says "I guess even though your wife is a Liberal (I don't think he knows there are all stages of wanting rights for everyone) and I'm a Reaganite (his words) we can see eye to eye on this. She's a smart cookie."

There have been MANY times this man and I have sat and talked politics, finances, and religion. Always respectful, and informative though we may not agree.

THAT my dear, is a friend. Not sure what you would call someone who sent you that tripe knowing your world views.

[MineralMan]

28. I can't help but notice that you haven't returned to the thread

to respond to any of the posts addressed to your original post. There's good advice being given.

Anyhow, welcome to DU.

[108]

34. check again

had to do some work in between posting..

[DCKit]

29. And, always, their fascination/obsession with "Teh Gay" is evident...

in the very first sentence. It's easier to breathe out of the closet you repressed freaks.

I once met a DC hustler who told me he was providing a public service by servicing Republics. Thinking about it now, I don't think I've ever heard truer words spoken.

[JohnnyRingo]

31. I'd just do it the lazy way, because it's so easy:

Just replace the words as needed:


The Republican Party and conservatives both dislike what America stands for, so for now they follow each other in common cause like sheep standing in line to get slaughtered. It of course doesn't matter that the Republicans oppose the very freedoms and social justice reforms conservatives champion, such as spending restraints, nation building, fair trade, etc.. We've seen this before: the Brown Shirts on their knees licking Hitler's boots; decades later Eugene McCarthy became their hero, and then in the 1980s the right rooted for Ronald Reagan to sell weapons to our enemies, ruin the lives of air traffic controllers, and plunge our country into debt.

The conservatives and Republicans both believe in a Nazi utopia. But the two utopias are quite different. The Republican utopia could not co-exist with the conservative utopia. conservatives would not allow a powerful unitary executive branch, for example. In the end conservatives would meet the same fate as Scooter Libby.

So why is there a Republican-conservative Alliance? Both hate minorities and women's rights, so for now they're teaming up against a common enemy. Republicans and conservatives both see history occuring in stages leading up to their vision of utopia. The fall of the working class is part of that process.

And so we see Newt Gingrich meeting with John Boehner, Conservatives feeling sorry for Larry Craig, David Vitter claiming that he and Ted Haggart are two brothers united by a common prostitute, Rush Limbaugh writing that only an alliance between conservatives and Republican Congressmen can cause Obama to fail and topple a Democratic America, Pat Robertson claiming that war in Iraq and Iran together can bring about the rapture, Sean Hannity offering support to the KU Klux Klan, Republicans and conservatives favoring warrantless wire tapping, economic recovery, and both hoping America falls flat on it's face in order to regain the reins of power.

Then I'd laugh at him and his silly observations.

[sinkingfeeling]

35. This comes directly from David Horowitz's book, "Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American

Left"

http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Alliance-Radical-Islam-American/dp/089526076X

[WVRICK13]

36. HMMMM

I don't have any conservative friends since we would have absolutely nothing in common.

[Crunchy Frog]

37. If I were you, that would be my ex friend.

[blonndee]

38. I have a question: Why did you say this is an email

when it actually appears to be pieced together from a conversation within this thread on another forum:

http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?p=2930087

[ck4829]

40. Ask him if he has ever heard of Mark Deli Siljander

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_D._Siljander