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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:32 AM
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Evidence Suggest Payoff To Italy For Supplying Forged Documents Bush Used To Justify Iraq War
http://www.alternet.org/audits/127832/is_the_u.s._paying_off_the_italian_government_for_forging_the_niger_documents

Is the U.S. Paying Off the Italian Government for Forging the Niger Documents?
By Jeffrey Klein and Paolo Pontoniere, AlterNet. Posted February 19, 2009.

Evidence suggests a payoff to Italy for supplying the forged documents Bush famously used to justify launching the Iraq war.

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This is a gross misrepresentation of the choice Obama faces. Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn) and others have alleged that the contract for 28 Marine One helicopters was awarded to the Italian firm Finmeccanica as a thank you for Italy's participation in the Iraq War. The evidence, however, indicates that the contract was more specifically a payoff to the Italian government for supplying the forged documents showing Saddam had obtained weapons grade uranium from Niger. President Bush famously used this fraudulent "yellowcake" intelligence to justify launching the war.

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Officials up and down the chain who awarded the contract knew that they were doing something extraordinarily wrong. The rigged bidding process bypassed, for example, Marine One pilots who repeatedly sought to give input. They had many safety concerns. At the time of the bid, the helicopter chosen was not certified to fly in the U.S. It was an old model made of heavy materials; this flew in the face of why the President supposedly needed a new fleet: i.e., so many extra security devices had been added to Marine One after 9/11, it was struggling to lift off. In its losing bid, the Connecticut-based Sikorsky, which had manufactured virtually all presidential helicopters since Eisenhower first ordered one, proposed a new model made of much lighter, composite materials.

But the Marine One pilots' prime objection, which was raised repeatedly by many other officials in private, was national security. Finmeccanica was doing business with Iran, China and Libya. Why outsource so sensitive a project? At the time of the bid, the security clearance necessary to manufacture and maintain Marine One required U.S. citizenship and prohibited Marine One team members from being married to citizens of another country. After the bid was awarded, John Pike, head of GlobalSecurity.org, told us: "Analyzing the defense industry for nearly 30 years, I try to stay calm and nonpartisan. But the Finmeccanica deal raised every hair on my neck. Apparently no one else sees the irony in a foreign military contractor building Marine One and Ayatollah One."

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According to Italy's La Repubblica, Nicola Pollari, the head of the Italian spy agency SISMI, had failed to dispel the CIA's misgivings about the authenticity of the yellowcake papers. Giovanni Castellaneta then arranged for Pollari to bypass the CIA and meet directly with then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice and Stephen Hadley, Rice's chief deputy at the time. The meeting took place on Sept. 9, 2002, in the White House, and was confirmed by White House officials.

"It is completely out of protocol for the head of a foreign intelligence service to circumvent the C.I.A.," former C.I.A. officer Philip Giraldi told Vanity Fair's Craig Ungar. "It is uniquely unusual. In spite of lots of people having seen these documents, and having said they were not right, they went around them."

Especially when no WMDs were found, President Bush needed to find a way he could control to repay the Italians for their help. Bush pressed for a new fleet of Marine Ones. He demanded the contract be awarded through an expedited bidding process because of heightened security concerns. A senior Finmeccanica executive told us that long before the Navy announced the award in January 2005, he and other company executives were told that the fix was in.

Finmeccanica hid the payoff by cutting U.S. companies Bell Helicopter and Lockheed Martin into the deal. Although Lockheed doesn't make helicopters, it acted as the ostensible lead partner.

"Lockheed pimped itself out," says Lt. Col. Gene T. Boyer, a retired Army pilot who flew three presidents in Marine One for 10 years. Boyer thinks the mushrooming of the Marine One fleet is a disgrace. "Many of the Marine Ones are used just to ferry around Washington VIPs who brag afterwards that they've flown in the same chopper used by the president." Boyer believes that the Pentagon officials and members of Congress who pushed this contract through should be investigated not just because of the massive cost overruns, but "because they didn't cover the country's back.

MORE AT LINK

Jeffrey Klein is an investigative journalist who co-founded Mother Jones; directed exposes of Newt Gingrich, Big Tobacco and the introduction of offensive weapons into space; co-produced for The News Hour with Jim Lehrer a series on China's economy that won a Gerald Loeb Award; and taught journalism at Stanford, San Francisco State and Cal.

Paolo Pontoniere is a New America Media European commentator.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:39 AM
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1. Wow....How Low did this BUSH go???...apparently real LOWwwwwThat was a sickening read. Country First
my ass
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:06 PM
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36. "Smirk - Sneer." - Commander AWOL & VP Dickie 'Five Deferments' Cheney (R)
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 03:07 PM by SpiralHawk
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alllyingwhores Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:58 PM
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52. WHATEVER THE F__K OBAMA'S NEW ATTY GEN DOES, I SURE AS F__K HOPE HE DOESN'T HOLD ANYONE ACCOUNTABLE!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 06:23 PM
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53. They are just settling into their roles...soon...heads will roll...I hope...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:26 PM
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83. Yeah, me neither.
:evilgrin:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:40 AM
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2. K&R
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Karl needed Diebold, a war and a "War President" to win in 2004. Anything to keep Rove's Thousand Year Republican Reich going.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:44 PM
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51. In their greed came the result of GOP COLLAPSE....Bwahahahaha
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 07:51 PM
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56. Too bad they took the country and its people down with them. n/t
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:55 PM
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68. Yes, very unfortunate/regretable...a return to Sanity/Reason Mode is assured../.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 06:42 AM
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3. K&R - Put this at the top of the greatest page, the World NEEDS to see this
This exposes Berlusconi and Bush for the criminals that they are.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:50 PM
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63. The World
already knows Bush is a criminal.

Leahy and the Truth Commissioners apparently are still in the dark though.



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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 06:24 PM
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90. bttt then...
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 06:55 AM
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4. .
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 06:58 AM
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5. What hell is it going to take to arrest and detain bu$h and his merry band of criminals?
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:10 PM
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34. Not the Christian Hell, that's for sure.
If there were such a place, Bush and Cheney would be running it.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:40 AM
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100. a little courage from Eric Holder -- who is apparently focused on cowardice elsewhere
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 07:25 AM
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6. Rec'd. Sounds like a lot of people knew about this contract.
I do hope more come out and spill the beans.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:05 PM
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24. Yea and I bet some top Dems just might be too. nt
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 04:47 AM
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76. Well, we currently have a Congressional field trip in Italy
Seeking evidence to prosecute the war criminals or looking to cover collaborative footprints? :dilemma:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 07:34 PM
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91. So that's was Pelosi is doing in Italy.
I thought maybe she was puking pea soup on the Pope.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:13 AM
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7. Can we prosecute him now?
Everyone knew the yellowcake charge was bogus. And why and how. It led directly to the Plame leak.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:12 AM
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70. 'Him' being Cheney, I presume.
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 01:12 AM by elleng
It really will take time, and LOTS of cohones, all over the map, to get those crooks.

AND bullet proof vests, planes, trains, and automobiles.

Remember, be afraid, VERY afraid.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:16 AM
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8. K&R, this one's big
I always knew there was more to the Italian side of the yellowcake story.

For background, I'd recommend the blogger Nur al-Cubicle's excellent translations of a Panorama magazine series on the scandal.

http://nuralcubicle.blogspot.com/2005/10/berlusconi-behind-fake-yellowcake.html

http://nuralcubicle.blogspot.com/2005/12/panorama-magazine-niger-yellowcake.html

http://nuralcubicle.blogspot.com/2005/10/yellowcake-dossier-not-work-of-cia.html
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:43 AM
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9. CBS owes Ed Bradley an apology
From Eric Boehlert in Media Matters:

CBS still owes Bradley a belated apology stemming from its shameful decision during the 2004 presidential campaign to pointedly refuse to run a factually solid story of his that chronicled how the Bush administration had misled the country into war. Specifically, the Bradley story detailed the murky circumstances surrounding bogus Nigerien documents unearthed in 2002 that purported to prove that Saddam Hussein had purchased 500 tons of so-called yellowcake uranium to build a nuclear bomb.

Spooked at the time by the controversy raging over CBS' botched 60 Minutes II report on Bush and the National Guard, CBS completely abdicated its news responsibility and announced that it would be "inappropriate" to air Bradley's hard-hitting report.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:50 AM
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11. They owe everyone in the world an apology.
It was a dark, ugly, ugly time.

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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:48 PM
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31. Too true n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:49 AM
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10. K&R
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:11 AM
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12. Pres Obama has three choices, then:
"When reviewing the helicopter contract,

President Obama can either be actively complicit by continuing with Finmeccanica;

he can duck and cover by simply switching to the proper supplier, Sikorsky;

or he can use the mandated review of this purchase decision to root out those in military, the aerospace industry and Congress who were willing to compromise the security of all subsequent American presidents so that Bush could cover up his core war crime."

It will be another telling decision, for him. I hope he makes the right one.


K & R
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:14 AM
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13. Ed Bradley & 60 Minutes
There was supposed to be an expose' of the forged documents on 60 Minutes. First time scheduled it got bumped for Rather's AWOL story, then was rescheduled to run shortly afterward. CBS advertised it. It was one of the most anticipated events ever here at DU. Then at the last minute it was dropped from the schedule with the explanation that it would be too partisan coming so close to the election. This was just after Rather was Rathered.

Then two years later Bradley was dead. His expose' never ran.

I have tried searching the DU Archives in search of specifics (dates, etc.) and get no results. It's like we didn't write one post about 'ed bradley' from the beginning of time until after 2006, but I have distinct memories of reading and participating in them. Someone else may have better luck.

But I found quite a few external articles.


Alex Koppelman at Salon:

Wednesday, Sept. 29, 2004
CBS's Ed Bradley talks. A little.

Reports of turmoil inside CBS News continue to reach our ears, following the disastrous decision to rush a 60 Minutes Wednesday segment onto the air Sept. 8 featuring dubious documents about President Bushs failure to fulfill his National Guard duties. This week came news that CBS News president Andrew Heyward decided to spike an unrelated report by Ed Bradley that laid bare the Bush administrations deliberate lies -- or, if youre feeling generous -- unbelievably credulous pre-war claims that Saddam Hussein was close to building a nuclear weapon.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2004/09/29/bradley



From CommonDreams.org:

The Story That Didn’t Run
Here’s the Piece that ‘60 Minutes’ Killed for Its Report on the Bush Guard Documents

by Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball

In its rush to air its now discredited story about President George W. Bush’s National Guard service, CBS bumped another sensitive piece slated for the same “60 Minutes” broadcast: a half-hour segment about how the U.S. government was snookered by forged documents purporting to show Iraqi efforts to purchase uranium from Niger.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0923-02.htm




And this, from MediaMatters.com:

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200611200004
CBS owes Ed Bradley an apology
by Eric Boehlert
. . .
But CBS still owes Bradley a belated apology stemming from its shameful decision during the 2004 presidential campaign to pointedly refuse to run a factually solid story of his that chronicled how the Bush administration had misled the country into war. Specifically, the Bradley story detailed the murky circumstances surrounding bogus Nigerien documents unearthed in 2002 -- the alleged smoking gun -- that purported to prove that Saddam Hussein had purchased 500 tons of so-called yellowcake uranium to build a nuclear bomb. The documents turned out to be obvious fakes, but that didn't stop the Bush administration from eagerly using them in an effort to scare Americans with doomsday talk.
. . .
Bradley's in-depth investigation, had it aired, would have been the first by a major network news outlet to devote serious time and energy to investigating the baffling case of the forged Niger documents, which were used as a pivotal propaganda tool.

But spooked by the controversy still raging over CBS' botched 60 Minutes II report on Bush and the National Guard, the one featuring the now-infamous unauthenticated memos allegedly written by Bush's commander, CBS News president Andrew Heyward completely abdicated the network's news responsibility and announced that Bradley's hard-hitting, and previously scheduled, story would not be broadcast in 2004. "We now believe it would be inappropriate to air the report so close to the presidential election," a CBS spokeswoman said at the time. (In fact, it was 18 months before Bradley's report, in an altered state, was safely broadcast on 60 Minutes.)
. . .
Jacoby described Bradley's effort as "a hard-hitting report making a powerful case that in trying to build support for the Iraq war, the Bush administration either knowingly deceived the American people about Saddam Hussein's nuclear capabilities or was grossly credulous." As Jacoby also noted, "Had Bradley's piece aired, millions of Americans would have seen it in the heat of the presidential campaign."


Wat

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:32 AM
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14. Seems Sen Roberts might have had a hand in that, along with WH. (TPM)
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 09:33 AM by chill_wind
TPM: 60 Minutes' Forged Document Story Was Delayed by WH and Sen Roberts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2196774
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:49 AM
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16. Thanks.
I couldn't get the Archives search to work.
You done good!

:hi:

Wat
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 01:23 PM
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32. That's how I remembered it as well . . .
Ed Bradley was scheduled to do the story on the false documents and the "yellow cake" but it was bumped for the National Guard story. I was really disappointed at the time because I remember thinking that the whole pack of lies about Iraq depended on "following the documents." In the Media Matters article by Boehlert, he seems to say that the Rather National Guard story had already happened so that prevented the airing of the Bradley "Yellow Cake" story on the following week. It was the Bradley story that was kicked for the Rather story to go on air. Gee, I wonder why . . . hmmmmmm.

This is pure Rove/Bush/media diversionary theatrics to make the truth disappear. Abra-ca-dabra! What documents?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 07:07 PM
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55. I remember this. Thanks for reminding us.
I'm infuriated. Absolutely everything we have said is coming true. And this is just the evidence we can find. I still want to see the evidence that the assholes were trying to plant WMD's in Iraq.

And where is Congress? Hello....

Here's your evidence Nancy.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:55 PM
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64. Here: "Rove set it up to trash Josh Marshall's Exclusive about Niger Yellow Cake"
KoKo Sun Jan-16-05 10:15 PM
Rather went with the AWOL story and it Pre-empted 60 Minutes doing a whole show with Ed Bradley about how Italian Intelligence was responsible for Niger Yellow Cake story...connected to Plame Incident. Josh and Linda Rozen talked to a guy who knew alot about this and implications as to who forged the documents.

Salon Magazine published the whole transcript of 60 Minutes Show which was "canned" for AWOL following Ed Bradley through it.

It's here in the DU Archies and there was much discussion about it.

Josh's story about something SO BIG it would "shift the tectonic plates in DC" was the story that got canned for AWOL...

It was Rove...I'm convinced. Whether he "turned Rather" or whether Rather was clueless..I think CBS was used to can Marshall/Rozen's story.

Josh has never been the same since then...imho..anyway.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2958655&mesg_id=2960601
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:47 AM
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15. indict, imprison and stop the criminals
in their tracks
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:08 AM
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17. k/r n/t
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:44 AM
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18. KandR n/t
peace~
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:06 AM
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19. Klein and Pontoniere have been on this since 2006
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 11:36 AM by starroute
There's a May 11, 2006 article by them that covers roughly the same territory: http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=e5f90f38b05836fede6d7b5a217b3a40

What's changed is that a new administration raises the possibility of something actually being done about it.


On edit:

There's a DU thread about the 2006 story here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2628100

(And the thread comes up with all the current settings -- so babylonsister shows up with her 80 hearts from the current drive -- but it really truly is from 2006.)


On second edit: I recommend that 2006 thread to anyone who wants to dig into this story. It has a lot of interesting information, much of which is no longer otherwise available online.


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:15 PM
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28. HADLEY NAMED. La Repubblica has a dynamite series this week on the origin of the yellowcake forgerie
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 12:17 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2005/10/index.html#008117

HADLEY NAMED. La Repubblica has a dynamite series this week on the origin of the yellowcake forgeries. Laura Rozen reports:
With Patrick Fitzgerald widely expected to announce indictments in the CIA leaks investigation, questions are again being raised about the murky matter that first led to the appointment of the special counsel: namely, how the Bush White House came into possession of discredited Italian intelligence reports claiming that Iraq sought uranium "yellowcake" from Niger.
The key documents supposedly proving the Iraqi attempt turned out to be crude forgeries on official stationery stolen from the African nation's Rome embassy. Among the most tantalizing aspects of the debate over the Iraq War is the origin of those fake documents and the role of the Italian intelligence services in disseminating them.

In an explosive series of articles appearing this week in the Italian newspaper La Repubblica, investigative reporters Carlo Bonini and Giuseppe d'Avanzo reveal how Niccolo Pollari, chief of Italy's military intelligence service, known as SISMI, brought the Niger yellowcake story directly to the White House after his insistent overtures had been rejected by the Central Intelligence Agency in 2001 and 2002.

Today's exclusive report in La Repubblica reveals that Pollari met secretly in Washington on September 9, 2002, with then–Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley. Their secret meeting came at a critical moment in the White House campaign to convince Congress and the American public that war in Iraq was necessary to prevent Saddam Hussein from developing nuclear weapons.

The La Repubblica article quotes a Bush administration official saying, "I can confirm that on September 9, 2002, general Nicolo Pollari met Stephen Hadley."

Laura will have more on this story later today.


and this

JANUARY 2001 BREAK-IN AT NIGER EMBASSY

At night, between the first and second of the January 2001, a mysterious thief came to the embassy of Niger in Rome and into the residence of the counselor in charge. It turned out that some letterhead and seals (see photocopy) were missing. A second dossier on Niger-Iraq trade soon came into Martino’s hands, one that included references to uranium trafficking. Martino claims he got it from embassy personnel and that he thought it was authentic.


http://nuralcubicle.blogspot.com/2005/10/berlusconi-behind-fake-yellowcake.html

Double-Dealers and Dilettantes--the Men Behind Nigergate Were All Italians.

The military intervention in Iraq was justified by two revelations: Saddam Hussein attempted to acquire unprocessed uranium (yellowcake) in Niger (1) for enrichment with centrifuges built with aluminum tubes imported from Europe(2). The fabricators of the twin hoaxes (there was never any trace in Iraq of unprocessed uranium or centrifuges) were the Italian government and Italian military intelligence. La Repubblica has attempted to reconstruct the who, where and why of the manufacture and transfer to British and American intelligence of the dodgy dossier for war.

They are the same two hoaxes that Judith Miller, the reporter who betrayed her newspaper, published (together with Michael Gordon) on September 8, 2002. In a lengthy investigative piece for the New York Times, Miller reported that Saddam could have built an atomic weapon with those aluminum tubes. These were the goods that the hawks in the Bush administration were expecting.

The "war dance" which followed Judith Miller’s scoop seemed like "carefully-prepared theater” to an attentive media-watcher, Roberto Reale of Ultime Notizie (The Latest News).

Condoleezza Rice, who was then White House Security Advisor, said on CNN: We don’t want the smoking gun to look like a mushroom cloud. A menacing Dick Cheney told Meet the Press that We know with absolute certainty that Saddam is using his technical and commercial capacities to acquire the material necessary to enrich uranium to build a nuclear weapon. This was the beginning of an escalation of fear.

26 September 2002: Colin Powell warns the Senate: The Iraqi attempt to acquire uranium is proof of its nuclear ambitions.

19 December 2002: The information on Niger and the uranium is included in the three-page President’s Daily Briefing prepared each day by the CIA and the Department of State for George W. Bush. The ambassador to the United Nations, John Negroponte, added his stamp of approval: Why is Iraq dissimulating its purchase of Niger uranium?

more

http://crookedtimber.org/2005/10/25/la-repubblica-scoop

....

It’s a fact that on the eve of the Iraq war, and under the supervision of the diplomatic advisor to the Foreign Ministry, Gianni Castellaneta (today ambassador to the USA), the director of SISMI organized his agenda in Washington with the staff of Condoleeza Rice, who was National Security Adviser to the White House at that time. La Repubblica is able to document this two track process between the government and Italian intelligence. At least one of these ‘barely official’ meetings of Pollari’s was, according to secret service agents, the ‘creation of a system’ that would bring together government, intelligence and public affairs .

To summarize: Nicolo Pollari’s SISMI wanted to substantiate the the Iraqi acquisition of raw uranium to build a nuclear bomb. The game-plan was rather transparent. ‘Authentic’ documents relating to an attempted acquisition in Niger (old Italian intelligence from the 1980’s) were the dowry of the second-in-command of CISMI’s Roman headquarters (Antonio Nucera). They were bundled together with another fabricated document … through a simulated burglary on the Nigerien embassy (from which they had gotten headed notepaper and seals). The documents were shown by Pollari’s men to CIA station agents, and at the same time, a SISMI ‘postman’ by the name of Rocco Martino was sent to Sir Richard Dearlove of MI6 in London.

turning to the second chapter of the Great Swindle, organized in Italy, to build the case that military intervention in Iraq was necessary. … the Italian report on uranium …

… The CIA analysts thought the first report ‘very limited’ and ‘without the necessary details.’ INR analysts in the Department of State assessed the information as ‘highly suspect.’ … The immediate impact on the American Intelligence community wasn’t very gratifying for Pollari … Gianni Castellaneta advised him to look in ‘other directions’ too, while the minister of Defence, Antonio Martino invited him to meet ‘an old friend of Italy’s.’ The American friend was Michael Ledeen, an old fox in the ‘parallel’ intelligence community in the US, who had been declared an undesirable person in our country in the 1980’s . Ledeen was at Rome on behalf of the Office of Special Plans, created at the Pentagon by Paul Wolfowiz to gather intelligence that would support military intervention in Iraq. A source at Forte Braschi told La Repubblica : “Pollari got a frosty reception from the CIA’s station head in Rome, Jeff Castelli, for this information on uranium. Castelli apparently let the matter drop . Pollari got the hint and talked about it with Michael Ledeen.’ We don’t know what Michael Ledeen did in Washington. But at the beginning of 2002, Paul Wolfowitz convinced Dick Cheney that the uranium trail intercepted by the Italians had to be explored top to bottom. The vice-president, as the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence tells it, once again asked the CIA ‘very decisively’ to find out more about the ‘possible acquisition of Nigerien uranium.’ In this meeting, Dick Cheney explicitly said that this piece of intelligence was at the disposition of a “foreign service.”

… Forte Braschi says that “Pollari was incredibly cunning – he knew that it wasn’t enough to rely on the CIA to push the uranium story. It was necessary to work, as Palazzo Chigi and the Department of Defence had indicated, with the Pentagon and with the National Security Adviser, Rice. … An administration official has told La Repubblica “I can confirm that on September 9 2002, General Nicolo Pollari met Stephen Hadley, the deputy to the National Security Adviser, Condoleeza Rice.”… SISMI’s ‘postman,’ Rocco Martino contacted a journalist for a weekly newspaper – edited by Carlo Rossella – to sell her the documents at issue. … Panorama had a worldwide scoop. Title “The War? It’s already begun,’ it spoke of ‘half a ton of uranium.’ … The government asked. The intelligence service gave. The media spread it. The government confirmed it. It was an old disinformation technique from the Cold War. Exaggerate the danger of the threat. Terrify and convince public opinion of it.

more
http://nuralcubicle.blogspot.com/2005/10/sismis-war-in-iraq-iranian-connection.html


Monday, October 31, 2005
SISMI's War in Iraq: The Iranian Connection

Carlo Bonini and Giuseppi d'Avanzo are at it again. Another three-part blockbuster exposé on the involvement of Italian Military intelligence inside Iraq.

Part I: From Chelabi to Iranian Agents--SISMI's War in Iraq
A strategic summit in Rome with the Pentagon.

ROME: He’s another politico-military intelligence chief. He’s a SISMI man. He makes his way slowly down the narrow hallway of the bar at the Hotel Eden in via Ludovisi. He stops to admire the sky and the attractive skyline of Rome in the April sun (it is 22 April 2003) through the hotel’s large windows. He looks elegant in his Chairman's Committee grisaille. . He selects a table at the center of the terrace. The waiter walks over and solicitously takes his order. The gentleman orders a freshly-squeezed orange juice and a double espresso. The Anglo-American invasion of Iraq began on the night of 19-20 March, thirty-three days earlier.

Today, as Silvio Berlusconi reveals that he never supported the military intervention in Iraq, it is fitting to tell the story of how our country, Italy, although allegedly opposed to war as our Premier now claims, was an active protagonist in war preparations and operations.

We will reveal the different arrangements and plans of action, as well as who planned them and with whom they were planned.

For us Italians, recounts the high-ranking SISMI official to La Repubblica, the war on Iraq was already underway in the days before Christmans, 2002. He smiles. He is animated with a glint of excitement in his eyes and for once seems seems to have no qualms about letting his personal satisfaction slip from behind a frozen mask.

Our man is too disciplined to crow about his successes and too stubborn to be discouraged by defeat. He tells us: It was a novelty, a revolution for our intelligence services. Never before in its history has SISMI been so prominently involved in military ground operations and a major role in planning a war campaign, to boot. The Italian Government? Of course our work was authorized by the Italian Government—are you joking? It was real war, not an exercise! The twenty men we sent to Iraq were risking their lives. He pauses. The espresso arrives. He sips it slowly, his eyes half-closed with satisfaction.

He continues. Twenty men from three SISMI departments were involved: Intelligence, Operations and Counterterrorism. They were divided into small groups which were to operate in and around the areas of Kirkuk, Baghdad and Basrah using outlandish disguises. Each unit was unaware of the identities and the mission of the others. Each unit was ordered to operate within a sector of territory and to work with intelligence “assets” who had already been selected and trained. The objectives were twofold: To identify Iraqi defenses and to evaluate the readiness of the Iraqi armed forces.

If combat was less intense than expected, it is due to the job we did—and we didn’t do it alone. If we won the war before firing a shot, it was due to our successes at infiltration and intelligence-gathering.

The story of Italian military intervention in Iraq begins when the resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, Michael Ledeen, sponsored by Defense Minister Antonio Martino, debarks in Rome with Pentagon men in tow to meet a handful of “Iranian exiles.” The meeting is organized by SISMI. In an Agency “safe house” near Piazza di Spagna (however, other sources have told us it was a reserved room in the Parco dei Principi Hotel).


"Reid: Cheney Obstructing Investigation"

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/002979.html

Reid: Cheney Obstructing Investigation
From Laura Rosen at War and Piece...

Reid on Fire

The New Republic has more on what I reported last month: that Cheney has intervened with chairman Pat Roberts to obstruct the Senate Select Intelligence committee's investigation of the Bush administration's use of Iraq intelligence. TNR write:

...--More dramatically, Reid also made it clear that he believes the delay in the Senate Intelligence Committee's investigation of prewar Iraq WMD--the underlying issue behind Tuesday's closed session--is entirely attributable to Vice President Dick Cheney. "Nothing happens regarding intelligence gathering ... unless it's signed off on by the Vice President," he said. " Roberts couldn't do it"--i.e., Roberts couldn't conduct a full investigation without Cheney's approval. When I asked Reid whether he meant to state so flatly that Cheney was personally and directly stalling the Intelligence Committee's work, he didn't pause a beat. In fact he almost stood from his chair. "Yes. I say that without any qualification ... Circle it." ...

I don't understand why we haven't heard Pat Roberts complaining more vociferously about the obstruction he's experienced from the Veep. Why would the Senator stand for the administration bucking oversight and Congressional reporting requirements on Iraq intelligence, torture, black site prisons, etc.? (Via Tapped's Ezra Klein).



http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051103/pl_afp/usital ...

But committee staff sources say that before the cooperation ceased, the committee had received from Feith’s office internal memos suggesting that the office may indeed have been conducting unlawful activities. In particular, Democratic staffers are interested in a secret December 2001 meeting of two Feith deputies, Larry Franklin and Harold Rhode, with Ghorbanifar in Rome. The meeting also included members of a foreign intelligence service (Italy’s SISMI). The catch is that it wasn’t reported in advance to the intelligence committee or the CIA, in possible violation of Section 502 of the National Security Act, which says that anyone conducting intelligence activities must inform the committee and the agency



"Italy MPs probe Niger-Iraq claim"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4402594.stm

Italy MPs probe Niger-Iraq claim

The director of the Italian military intelligence agency (Sismi) is due to give evidence over allegations that Iraq sought to buy uranium from Niger.

Nicolo Pollari is testifying before a parliamentary committee over reports that Italy wilfully gave the US and UK evidence that turned out to be false......


The Italian hearing into the claims is being held behind closed doors, but some details were expected to emerge later.

Italian newspaper La Repubblica says Italian agents gave the false dossier to British and American intelligence services........


"Niger Uranium Forgeries: Excavating a Roman Mystery"



One has to wonder how Laura can have such certain knowledge of what Fitzgerald has or has not requested. Ah, but if there is no such report -- and she cites the head of the Italian intelligence oversignt committee, one Enzo Bianco, denying it -- then how can Fitzgerald have requested it? There is, here, perhaps some confusion as to the nature of the "report" -- is it official, or is it just a transcript of a hearing? I think this guy, whoever he is, has the right idea.

Giovanni D'Avanzo, writing in La Repubblica , poses a few questions to Senor Bianco's oversight committee, and in the course of them avers:

"Sometime after October 9, 2002, a team of SISMI agents are ordered to keep Rocco Martino under close surveillance ... Why was no surveillance memo or report issued to judicial investigators on Rocco Martino, who is investigated by the Rome Public Prosecutor’s office in 2003, until the fall of 2004?"

So there was an investigation, albeit not by the Italian parliament but by Rome's public prosecutor. It could be that this is what both Walker's and my own sources are referring to.

Laura cites several other skeptics, including a reporter for La Repubblica and "a former U.S. official recently in Italy," who say this story is "the echo of a rumor put out by people back the States." She also cites Vince Cannistraro, "who at one time heard rumors of such a report from Italian sources," and who

"Now says there doesn't appear to be a parliamentary report either. 'There is no published report,”'Cannistraro told me Monday. 'If there is a report, we might expect it would have some analysis and conclusions. There is no report, at least not a published report. …I think this stuff is just getting circulated.'"

Of course it isn't published -- that's the whole point.

Yes, it's true, as Laura says, that the Italians aren't too eager to have the blame pinned on SISMI -- but that doesn't mean SISMI isn't involved. And some Italians -- the left-wing opposition coalition, for example -- might be understandably eager to expose the scandal in the run-up to Italy's elections scheduled for next year.

Laura goes into the Italian role in creating and disseminating these documents, referring to the La Repubblica series on the subject, but somehow neglects to mention the crucial American angle -- and the key role of American neocons, i.e. Michael Ledeen, in funneling the information contained in the Niger forgeries to Washington. Someone legitimized these fake documents by doing an end run around the CIA and the mainstream intelligence community, and injected a fabrication into the American intelligence stream. Who was it? La Repubblica fingers the Office of Special Plans, and names names, including Ledeen, Harold Rhode, and Larry Franklin, the confessed spy for Israel.

...

I trust my source, and I furthermore think it's unimportant whether this information is coming from the Italian parliament or Rome's public prosecutor: the point is that the information is there, and it's getting out. Antiwar.com stands by its story.


"Open the Ledeen Dossier!"



The stakes involved in the Ledeen dossier are much more significant than the particular incident around the yellowcake. As EIR documented at great length, Ledeen is not just a nasty American political operative, but had been brought into the service of one of the remnant fascist organizations of the Mussolini era, the Propaganda Two (P-2) freemasonic lodge. P-2, which was founded by avowed wartime fascist grandmaster Licio Gelli, is an outgrowth of the Venetian synarchist bankers network which runs international terrorism, and proceeds from the avowed aim of destroying all nation-states, particularly the United States. The P-2 network has been exposed over the past 20-plus years as the real center of international terrorism, including the left and right wings of the "strategy of tension" which carried out such atrocities as the 1980 Bologna bombing, and the assassination of former Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro.

Italian political life is riddled with assets, if not outright agents, of the P-2. Notable among them is Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi himself, whose membership card is a matter of public record. Given the prominence of P-2 influence in Italy, it should be no surprise that the Italians, under a Berlusconi government, were the ones who provided the cover of the forged Niger yellowcake documents, to support the Cheney-Bush war drive.

The question raised here is a fundamental one. The role of former P-2ers Ledeen and Berlusconi in promoting the war, underscores the reality that the drive for empire and world dictatorship, for which Cheney is a frontman, is in fact the project of an international synarchist oligarchy, the direct descendants of those banking families who funded Hitler and Mussolini, and created World War II. Cheney is undoubtedly a fascist thug, eager to carry out whatever wars, torture, and economic genocide are on the agenda of the desperate synarchist bankers. But the brains for these operations come from the top level of the heirs of the Venetian banking system, who know that they will destroy the United States as a republic by carrying out these plans.

The prime objective for all those patriots and world-citizens who wish to save this planet from a descent into a New Dark Age, is, of course, to remove Dick Cheney from office. But exposing the roots of Cheney policies in the global Venetian synarchist banking system, is a crucial concomitant, if we are to get the alternative, FDR-like policy put into effect.




How would the neocon think tanks view martial law? Michael Ledeen, a fellow of the American Enterprise Institute, and close and trusted White House adviser, has this to say on p. 173 of his book Machiavelli on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli’s Iron Rules Are As Timely and Important Today As Five Centuries Ago: “Paradoxically, preserving liberty may require the rule of a single leader – a dictator – willing to use those dreaded 'extraordinary measures,' which few know how, or are willing, to employ."

According to the Boston Globe, Ledeen in a 2003 speech to the American Enterprise Institute, asserted our nation’s insatiable lust for war by claiming that "All the great scholars who have studied American character have come to the conclusion that we are a warlike people and that we love war. . .What we hate is not casualties but losing." Did anyone in the media ever challenge an administration spokesman to defend Ledeen’s staggeringly wrongheaded, anti-American values? Did any of the (self-described) scholars at AEI that day ask why the GD fool would say such a thing? President Bush, for his part has personally offered these congratulations to the AEI: “At the American Enterprise Institute, some of the finest minds in our nation are at work on some of the greatest challenges to our nation. You do such good work that my administration has borrowed 20 such minds.”

The leaders of the War Machine – with their gulags, their lies, their senseless, immoral war – do not treat enemies and purported enemies terribly well. In the event of martial law, it would be naïve indeed to suspect that they would treat Americans any better. Patriots – left, right and center – should unite under the American flag to stop the War Machine today while they still can. The impeachment of Bush and Cheney is the obvious place to start. We, the people, should demand it of the US Congress, just as statesmen and citizens of their time demanded the Bill of Rights. Congress should be ordered, as well, to act responsibly and responsively and in the best interest of the sovereign Republic of the United States of America, not in the interest of neocon warmongers.


"Italy's Top Spy Names Freelance Agent as Source of Forged Niger-Iraq"

... Uranium Documents


http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytim ...

Italy's Top Spy Names Freelance Agent as Source of Forged Niger-Iraq Uranium Documents

November 4, 2005 by ELAINE SCIOLINO and ELISABETTA POVOLEDO

ROME, Nov. 3 - Italy's spymaster identified an Italian occasional spy named Rocco Martino on Thursday as the disseminator of forged documents that described efforts by Iraq to buy uranium ore from Niger for a nuclear weapons program, three lawmakers said Thursday.

The spymaster, Gen. Nicolò Pollari, director of the Italian military intelligence agency known as Sismi, disclosed that Mr. Martino was the source of the forged documents in closed-door testimony to a parliamentary committee that oversees secret services, the lawmakers said.

Senator Massimo Brutti, a member of the committee, told reporters that General Pollari had identified Mr. Martino as a former intelligence informer who had been "kicked out of the agency." He did not say Mr. Martino was the forger.

The revelation came on a day when the Federal Bureau of Investigation confirmed that it had shut down its two-year investigation into the origin of the forged documents.


http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/002983.html

Laura Rozen: "The (Niger forgeries) Report that Wasn't"

For weeks in the run-up to the Libby indictment last Friday, reports swirled in the blogosphere and some wires. They contended that CIA leak prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald had “widened his probe” to include investigating the origins of the Niger yellowcake forgeries themselves. They spoke of Fitzgerald getting ahold of a secret Italian parliamentary report that reportedly fingered a gang of American neoconservatives and aides to Ahmad Chalabi as being behind the Niger forgeries.

...

There’s just one problem: Not only has Fitzgerald not received such a report or even indicated he has any interest in one. There is no Italian parliamentary report, published or unpublished, on the Niger forgeries. In fact, until today, there has been no Italian parliamentary investigation of the Niger forgeries, or the claim promoted by the Italian military intelligence organization Sismi to the CIA and other western intelligence agencies that Iraq was seeking vast quantities of yellowcake uranium in Niger.

...

A reporter with the Italian newspaper Repubblica, which published a blockbuster series on the origins of the Niger forgeries last week, said that he heard rumors of such a report while in Washington this past summer, and went back to Italy and checked them out with his sources. He was left scratching his head. Not only is there no such report, there is as yet no such Italian parliamentary investigation. Sismi’s director Nicolo Pollari was interviewed by the Italian parliamentary committee overseeing the intelligence services on Thursday, in a closed-door session.

...

The Italian military intelligence organization Sismi reported that Iraq had signed a contract to purchase 500 tons of yellowcake uranium from Niger to the CIA in October 2001 and February 2002. It also reported those claims to Britain’s foreign intelligence service, the MI6, which reported them back to Washington. A motley crew including a senior Sismi officer, a former Sismi officer turned intelligence peddler (Rocco Martino), and a Sismi asset at the Niger embassy in Rome were identified by Repubblica as having collaborated to assemble the Niger forgeries, after staging a robbery on New Year’s Day 2001 to get official Niger embassy letterhead and a diplomatic codebook. Martino reportedly sold the dossier of forgeries to the French, the British, attempted but failed to sell them to the American embassy in Rome, and to an Italian reporter working for a Berlusconi owned magazine.


Lets hope Fitzgerald really does stay un-compromised, period because everyone knows from reading it Cheney deflected the blame to Italy.

The real forgers were NOT mentioned ie Duane Claridge so you can immediately see it.....total fucking whitewash in progress and its going to take a huge entity/army to get this bastard once and for all.

Notice how there was never any mention of....MICHAEL LEDEEN, mossad etc....

More about the Whitewash....you can spot them a damn mile away now.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051103/wl_mideast_af ...

"no one here has any recollection of Niger and uranium being discussed"


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com /

QUESTION: Thank you. Any more explanation of the Berlusconi-President discussion about Italian intelligence on Iraq -- is this to say that Mr. Fitzgerald's finding that the Niger claim had its genesis in Italian intelligence was wrong?
SCOTT McCLELLAN: Mr. Fitzgerald's -- I'll have to look back at what his finding was. I don't recall the specifics of that.

QUESTION: Fitzgerald found that what we had been calling British intelligence, the document -- the forged document --

SCOTT McCLELLAN: Maybe I missed that. I don't think so. I don't think so.

QUESTION: -- alleging an Iraq --

SCOTT McCLELLAN: Okay, I don't think he did.

QUESTION: I'm wrong on this?

SCOTT McCLELLAN: Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think he --

QUESTION: That's not ringing any bells.

SCOTT McCLELLAN: Yes.

QUESTION: It's not ringing any bells with other people either.

QUESTION: No, it is, it is. And I can't remember if it's Fitzgerald or somebody else, but there's this is the central issue is --

QUESTION: The central issue was --

QUESTION: -- the source of the --

QUESTION: The source of the forged document was Italy, who handed it to --

SCOTT McCLELLAN: No, the -- we actually briefed on the source of the information back in July of 2003, and the source was the National Intelligence Estimate and British Intelligence. That was the basis for the reference in the President's State of the Union address.

QUESTION: Fitzgerald found an Italian tie, and I presume this is what the discussion between the President and Berlusconi was about.

SCOTT McCLELLAN: Yes, they -- like I said they -- Prime Minister Berlusconi brought it up, and as they indicated, that there wasn't any documents that were provided to us on Niger and uranium by --

QUESTION: Wait, no documents or no intelligence?

SCOTT McCLELLAN: I'm sorry?

QUESTION: The press report out of Italy is a transcription -- it's a transcription of the forged documents, not the actual documents themselves. But Berlusconi said yesterday was, no information passed from Italy to the United States.

SCOTT McCLELLAN: Yes, I think he was accurately reflecting what he indicated in the meeting.

QUESTION: So that accurately characterizes the President's position, that the United States never received any intelligence --

SCOTT McCLELLAN: Well, Prime Minister Berlusconi was reflecting that within the meeting, and we've previously said in regards to a question that came up about a meeting here at the White House that no one here has any recollection of Niger and uranium being discussed at that meeting, much less any documents being provided.



http://neworleans.cox.net/cci/newsnational/nationa ...
Italian Lawmaker Says Country's Secret Service Warned U.S. That Iraq Uranium Documents Were Fake


"Hadley told a press briefing that he had briefly met the head of Italy's SISMI secret intelligence service, Nicolo Pollari, on September 9, 2002 in a "courtesy call" aimed at getting to know his new colleague.

"There was a meeting in Washington on that date. I did attend a meeting with him," Hadley said in response to a question about a report published last week in the Italian center-left newspaper La Repubblica, which disclosed the meeting.

"It was, so far as we can tell from our records, about less than 15 minutes. It was a courtesy call. Nobody participating in that meeting or asked about that meeting has any recollection of a discussion of natural uranium, or any recollection of any documents being passed. And that's also my recollection," he said."
AFP News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051103/pl_afp/usital ...

Well Hadley, I'm sure there was a meeting....and I'm also sure you took the Niger forgeries to Frederick Fleitz.

I mean, you wouldn't LIE about everything would you? And attempt to get executive priveledge to save your ass? Nah, not you Hadley, who lied about going to Italy to begin with!

http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp11012005.html

November 1, 2005

Berlusconi's Halloween Visit
The Plame Affair Leads to Rome
By GARY LEUPP

"All roads lead to Rome," and it seems that Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation into the Plame Affair, and more broadly the lies used to hoodwink the American people into supporting a criminal war on Iraq, will also trudge down the Appian Way lined this Halloween with the ghosts of crucified Iraqis.

The Italian newspaper La Repubblica has recently published an exposé alleging in essence that the Italian military intelligence agency SISMI (Servizio per le Informazioni e la Sicurezza Militare) at the specific behest of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi provided bogus intelligence to the Bush neocons in order to curry favor with the U.S. and to abet the relentless drive for war between 9-11 and the March 2003 invasion. This follows an Italian parliamentary report released in part to the public in July concerning the forged Niger uranium documents at the heart of the Plame Affair. These, which purport to show a deal between Baghdad and Niger for the purchase of huge quantities of yellowcake, were it seems produced in the Italian capital.

The report names four men as the likely forgers of the documents (Michael Ledeen, Dewey Clarridge, Ahmed Chalabi and Francis Brookes) and suggests that the forgeries may have been planned at December 2001 gathering in Rome involving Ledeen and SISMI chief Nicolò Pollari. Also in attendance at that meeting: Larry Franklin, Harold Rhode, Manucher Ghorbanifar, Antonio Martino and others including a former senior official of the Revolutionary Guard in Iran. Here is a true rogues' gallery.

Michael Ledeen: neocon columnist, National Review Online contributing editor, specialist on the thought of Machiavelli and on Italian fascism, former employee of the Pentagon, the State Department and the National Security Council, was involved in the transfer of arms to Iran during the Iran-Contra affair. Active in the American Enterprise Institute, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), and Center for Democracy in Iran (CDI). Advocates regime change by force in Iran and Syria.

Nicolò Pollari: Author of many publications on legal and economic matters, investigation techniques and intelligence. Tax law Professor at the Mediterranean University of Reggio Calabria. SISMI head since October 2001.

Dewey Clarridge: former CIA operative, famous in mid-1980s for his role in the Iran-Contra Affair. Head of CIA's Latin America division 1981-84, directed the mining of Nicaragua's harbors and helped organize the Contras. Indicted in November 1991 on seven counts of perjury and false statements, pardoned by first president Bush Christmas Eve 1992.

Ahmad Chalabi: convicted swindler, leader of U.S.-funded Iraqi National Congress, neocon ally, presently one of two deputy prime ministers in Iraqi government.

Francis Brookes: member of the "Rendon Group," a "public relations" body formed by the Pentagon engaged to promote Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress.

Larry Franklin: colonel in USAF reserve, subordinate to Douglas Feith in Defense Department, Middle East specialist, under arrest for espionage for Israel.

Harold Rhode: Pentagon official, Middle East specialist, Ledeen protégé, American Enterprise Institute, heavy neocon.

Manucher Ghorbanifar: Iranian exile, arms dealer, one-time CIA operative distrusted by CIA since 1980s. Key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Antonio Martino: Founding member of Forza Italiano (Berlusconi's political party), Professor of Economics, adjunct scholar with the Heritage Foundation, Italian Defense Minister.




"Previous versions of the report were redacted and had all the names removed, though it was possible to guess who was involved. This version names Michael Ledeen as the conduit for the report and indicates that former CIA officers Duane Clarridge and Alan Wolf were the principal forgers. All three had business interests with Chalabi."

Alan Wolf died about a year and a half ago of cancer. He served as chief of the CIA's Near East Division as well as the European Division, and was also CIA chief of station in Rome after Clarridge. According to my source, "he and Clarridge and Ledeen were all very close and also close to Chalabi." The former CIA officer says Wolf "was Clarridge's Agency godfather. Significantly, both Clarridge and Wolf also spent considerable time in the Africa division, so they both had the Africa and Rome connection and both were close to Ledeen, closing the loop."

A veteran of the Iran-Contra scandal, Ledeen played an important role in the Iran-Contra "arms for hostages" scandal by setting up meetings between the American government and the Iranian arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar. Not all that unexpected coming from a self-proclaimed advocate of Machiavelli's amoralism. Today, Ledeen is among the most visible and radical neoconservative ideologues whose passion for a campaign of serial "regime-change" in the Middle East is undiminished by the Iraqi debacle. Just as the Roman senator Cato the Elder finished his perorations with the command "Carthage must be destroyed," so Michael "Creative Destruction" Ledeen closes his hopped-up warmongering essays with "Faster, please!," an exhortation presumably addressed to his confreres in the Bush administration.

Ledeen has kept the neocon faith – and the same friends – for all these years. He's still buddies with Ghorbanifar. In December 2001, he had a meeting in Rome with Ghorbanifar in the company of the Pentagon's top Iran specialist, Larry Franklin, and Harold Rhode, assigned to the Office of Net Assessment, a Pentagon think tank. Also at the Rome conclave: a number of Ghorbanifar's Iranian friends, including a former senior official of the Revolutionary Guard. Rounding out the distinguished guest list, we have the Italian delegation, consisting of SISMI head honcho Nicolo Pollari, the head of Italy's military intelligence agency, and Italian Defense Minister Antonio Martino, a neocon favorite. Once again, Ledeen plays the middleman – but what kind of a deal was he trying to negotiate?

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10571.htm


At the beginning of 2001, a few weeks before George Bush took office, there was a break-in at the Niger embassy in Rome. Strangely, nothing of value was taken. Months later came 9/11 and a month after that, as George Bush wondered how to get back at the terrorists, a report from the Italian security service (Sismi) reached the CIA: Iraq was seeking to buy uranium.

Disappointingly for the neocons, the CIA sent Ambassador Joseph Wilson to Niger to check the story: he reported that it was nonsense. When the story was repeated by Bush, Wilson went public. His wife, CIA agent Valerie Plame, was then outed by the White House. Hence Rove's predicament.

An organisation called the Office of Special Plans (OSP) was set up in the Pentagon by Douglas Feith, a former consultant to Israel's Likud party, to prepare for the war. In the words of Robert Baer, a distinguished former CIA man, it was a "competing intelligence shop at the Pentagon"..."if you didn't like the answer you're getting from the CIA". In short, bogus stories would get a second chance at the OSP.

A clue to the ancestry of these black arts can be found in 1980, when right-wing Republicans wanted Ronald Reagan elected. They publicised a story that Billy Carter, the then President Jimmy Carter's colourful brother, had received $50,000 (£28,000) from the Libyan government.

The story was always denied by the President and no evidence of the payment was found, but the story helped to elect Reagan. Its source? Sismi, and an associate of a man called Michael Ledeen.

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/comments.php?id=2426_0_1_0_C


First of all, I am not a leftist. Secondly, the sources for the quotes of former CIA and DIA agent Philip Giraldi were my interviews of him, as indicated in the correctly transcribed entry on the Wikipedia page, and which I provided the mp3 link for. Fourth, I am happy that the US is no longer part of the British Empire.

As far as Ledeen and the Niger uranium forgeries, Giraldi explained in the interviews that the "couple of CIA agents" were paid in foreign accounts and that Fitzgerald had "already found the money trail." Ledeen's connections to the Office of Special Plans and Sismi are well documented, he attended a number of meetings in Italy with Harold Rhode, who "practically lived out of (Iranian spy) Ahmad Chalabi's office," Manucher Ghorbanifar and guilty Israeli spy Larry Franklin, around the time the Italians began passing on the (already debunked) story back to the US.

As Josh Marshall put it in The Hill:

"he intelligence reports that came in to Washington in late 2001 were from Italian military intelligence, SISMI. The other detail, according to intelligence sources I’ve spoken to, is that those reports turned out to be text transcriptions of Niger forgeries that didn’t surface in Rome until almost a year later...

From the very beginning, American suspicions about a Niger-Iraq trade in uranium were based on what turned out to be the forged documents. And the text transcriptions of those documents came in from Italian intelligence...

Burba, the Italian journalist who eventually brought the forgeries to the U.S. Embassy in Rome, got them from an unnamed Italian “security consultant.” His name turns out to be Rocco Martino, a retired SISMI operative. And as I mentioned last week, last summer, my colleagues and I conducted a series of in-person interviews with him.

It has sometimes been suggested in the Italian press that Martino himself is the forger. But he told us a different story — one that was corroborated by another participant in the handling of the documents. Martino told us that the documents came from a still-serving SISMI colonel, whom he named."

But where did they originate? Giraldi's partner, Vincent Cannistraro, Director for Intelligence Programs at the National Security Council under Reagan, has maintained that they were produced in the US and has said, "You'd be very close," in answer to the question of whether Ledeen forged them.

Combined with what Giraldi had to say, it sure seems like enough to take to a grand jury to me.

Or is it not a crime to lie a country into war?

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7256


July Friday 29th 2005 (05h28) :
KARL ROVE, MICHAEL LEDEEN SPIES PROCURED FORGED NIGER DOCUMENTS


KARL ROVE and VARIOUS SPIES HE IS LINKED TO

Karl Rove’s only full-time foreign-policy advisor is Michael Ledeen, a rabid anti-Arab, pro-Israel activist. The FBI is investigating Ledeen for procuring forged documents (shown here) on nonexistent WMD, which George Bush used to justify his war on Iraq. When Joseph Wilson exposed the farce, Rove helped "out" Wilson’s CIA wife. Did Ledeen procure the documents for Rove, and how might he have done that? The story includes multinational stool pigeon Rocco Martino, Italian spy Francesco Pazienza, wanted CIA spy Robert Seldon Lady, and Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin, who’s under charges of giving US secrets to Israel.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Karl Rove’s foreign-policy advisor, Michael Ledeen, proclaimed "the rightness of the fascist cause" in 1972. In 1984 he got George Bush Sr to appoint Iranian arms merchant and Iranian/Israeli double-agent Manucher Ghorbanifar as a middleman in the scandalous Iran-Contra affair. Ledeen has been a fixture in Washington and Israel ever since, advocating a modern version of the Crusades against Islamic nations. Based on what he has said and written, I believe Ledeen is insane.
Michael Ledeen, Rove’s "brain," is one of the leading advocates for a US attack on Iran. The Washington Post quoted Ledeen as saying that Rove told him, "Anytime you have a good idea, tell me." I guess that means we can look forward to the Bush team drumming up a war with Iran.

George Bush Jr., when he assumed the presidency in 2000, already knew that he was going to settle the family score with Saddam Hussein. His "brain," Rove, quickly enlisted Ledeen to trump up a causus belli.

EARLY 2000: ROCCO MARTINO AND THE FRENCH CONNECTION

...


The war is not just about oil, Israel’s fears/ambitions, or US hegemony. There are contracts and contractors in Iraq. Modern-day carpetbaggers with briefcases descended like a plague of scorpions on the poor, bloodied, bombed-out, grieving people of Iraq. They included the daughter of the war’s chief banshee -- Simone Ledeen, Michael’s young daughter -- shown in the photo, greeting with an impish smile another occupier at the Baghdad airport -- getting ready to lord it over the Iraqis as she tries out her new MBA in working for the CPA. Caption: "The creatures step out of the tripods." Maybe it’ll help to pay off those student loans -- huh, Michael?


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/19/14555 ...

Keyser Soze aka Michael Ledeen.

Michael Ledeen was one of the founders of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA). He holds the Freedom Chair at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a think tank for AIPAC. He is co-founder of the Coalition for Democracy in Iran. As far back as 1980, the CIA allegedly listed Ledeen as an agent of influence of Israel. Ledeen is the main foreign policy advisor to Karl Rove. Ledeens main obsession seems to be to overthrow Iran.

In 1972 he published the book Universal Fascism, in which he expounds upon "the rightness of the fascist cause." In Universal Fascism, Ledeen first builds his case that fascism was the "20th Century Revolution" and that "people yearn for the real thing - revolution". It's the blueprint for a fascist revolution.

In 1980 he collaborated with Francesco Pazienza of SISMI and P-2 in the "BillyGate" affair. This is the same Pazienze who was recently found out to belong to the parallel intelligence agency in Italy. In 1985 Pazienza was found guilty of political manipulation, forgery, and the protection of terrorists. Ledeen is identified in court documents as an agent of SISMI.

The Pentagon downgraded Ledeen's security clearances from Top Secret-SCI to Secret in the mid-1980s, after the FBI began a probe of Ledeen for passing classified materials to a foreign
country, believed to be Israel.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/MichaelLedeen.html


"Everything You Need to Know About Michael Ledeen"


April 7, 2005

Everything You Need to Know About Michael Ledeen
By Katherine Yurica

Would you be surprised to find that a man who was deeply involved in the Iran-Contra scandal during the Reagan Administration, a man who is the darling of the Bush White House and is an adviser to Karl Rove, a man who loves Machiavelli and studies him, a neo-conservative who has close ties to one of America’s leading “Christian” Dominionists—Pat Robertson, and a man who called Pearl Harbor “lucky” and a providentially inspired event—may be the man who is behind the forging of the Niger documents that convinced America to launch a preemptive strike against Iraq?

<snip>

It would be foolish for America’s political strategists and congressional leaders to ignore Michael Ledeen and his interpretation of Machiavelli. Mr. Ledeen speaks from the cutting edge of a group of men and women who desire nothing more than to reconstruct America in their own image. This nation is in grave danger. Ledeen belongs to a group of men, including Harry Jaffa, Pat Robertson, Willmoore Kendall to Allan Bloom, who, according to Shadia Drury, scholar and author of Leo Strauss and the American Right, share “the view that America is too liberal and pluralistic and that what it needs is a single orthodoxy that governs the public and private lives of its citizens.”<1>

The belief in a single voice that governs the public should cause all Americans to understand these men want to convert this nation to a permanent dictatorship. Their inspirer was Leo Strauss, a professor who taught Machiavellian methods to many of them at the University of Chicago. In fact, Paul Wolfovitz earned his doctorate under Strauss and many of the neo-cons in the White House studied under him. Strauss believed every society needs a “single public orthodoxy.” As Drury put it, “a set of ideas that defines what is true and false, right and wrong, noble and base.” Strauss believed that the role of religion was indispensable to the political success of a nation. For a political society had to hold together and act as a unit in lock step with the leader. Strauss believed that religion was the means to inculcate the desired ideas into the minds of the masses. He didn’t care what religion—just as long as it was a religion that could link itself to the political order.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:14 AM
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20. I'm sorry, we cannot afford to simply "Look Forward"
Had Nixon served time, "Cheney/Bush and Eight Years from Hell(tm)" might not have happened.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:25 AM
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21. I posted this yesterday and it dropped like a rock.
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 11:27 AM by madmom
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:31 PM
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29. You had a typo in your headline.
Oh, wait... I have a typo in my headline. :)
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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:41 AM
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22. K & R n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:46 AM
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23. K&R --
bookmarked to read fully later ---
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:06 PM
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25. WOW HOW DID I MISS THIS!!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:07 PM
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26. knr
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:11 PM
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27. K&R
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:37 PM
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outrageous
not surprising unfortunately, but outrageous just the same. if ONLY MSM would put this on the news - will they? have they? - the rest of the country that hasn't been until now would be demanding justice for the bushies as DUer's have for so long.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:37 PM
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30. Prosecute the bastards!
No more of this "looking forward" crap - how much more do they need?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:18 AM
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94. Absolutely...
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:08 PM
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33. There's also a Neocon connection
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1063.html
Stephen D. Bryen is a longtime Washington insider. He is president of the defense contractor Finmeccanica, Inc., which is the U.S. branch of the Italian arms maker that maintains close ties to many Republican Party elites. Bryen is also closely connected to various high-profile neoconservatives like Richard Perle, under whom Bryen served when Perle was President Ronald Reagan's assistant secretary of defense, and has supported the work of a number of hardline pro-Israel groups like the Center for Security Policy (CSP) and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA).

In the mid-1970s, Bryen and a group of other mainly neoconservative figures, including Michael Ledeen, helped establish JINSA as an important Washington-based think tank specializing in fostering close ties between the U.S. and Israeli militaries. . . . When Bryen left JINSA in the early 1980s to take a post in the Reagan administration, his wife took over as head of the group. . . .

At the Pentagon, in the meantime, Stephen Bryen quickly set about crafting a new direction for U.S. relations with Israel. "Bryen became a consultant for Richard N. Perle, the Reagan administration assistant secretary of defense-designate," Milstein reported. "After Perle was confirmed by the Senate, Bryen was named deputy assistant secretary of defense in charge of regulating the transfer of U.S. military technology to foreign countries. Critics at the time cited the placement of Bryen in one of the most sensitive positions at the Pentagon as evidence of the tilt in U.S. policy toward Israel under Reagan." . . .

Even prior to the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Bryen was part of a core group of foreign policy hardliners and neoconservatives who pushed for overthrowing Saddam Hussein. In February 1998, for example, he joined the likes of Richard Perle, Richard Allen, Frank Gaffney, Douglas Feith, Robert Kagan, Paul Wolfowitz, and David Wurmser in signing his name to an "open letter" to President Bill Clinton produced by the Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf that advocated overthrowing Saddam Hussein.

That 2006 thread I recommended above included a couple of posts describing a ceremony at which Finmeccanica donated money for wounded US veterans. Ambassador Castellaneta was there. So were Paul Wolfowitz, Shoshana Bryen and a couple of other JINSA representatives, and Clio Timmerman -- a Finmeccanica employee who appears to be the daughter of Kenneth Timmerman, founder of the Foundation for Democracy in Iran.

So whatever was going on here, it wasn't merely a Bush-Italy deal. The most hardline of the Neocons -- presumably including Michael Ledeen, who's been close to Bryen since they founded JINSA together -- have got to be up to their necks in it as well.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 05:59 AM
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77. Thanks & thanks again starroute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:fistbump:
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:04 PM
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35. I think President Obama should root out who's involved in this including Congress.
"root out those in military, the aerospace industry and Congress who were willing to compromise the security of all subsequent American presidents so that Bush could cover up his core war crime."

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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:22 PM
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37. hmmmmm.... WHY is Pelosi on a "junket" to Italy?
just thinkin...

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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:03 PM
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49. That's what I'm sayin'! nt
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:25 PM
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38. K&R and bookmarked! Forward this to the Truth Commission & Prosecute!
:kick:

:patriot:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:30 PM
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39. Wow! These people thought they were never going to leave office in the US.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:39 PM
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40. K&R. (nt)
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:47 PM
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41. "(so heavy) it was struggling to lift off" .... Should be a concern for Obama ...
And when one of them crashes they will say no one could have imagined that a new Marine One helicopter would crash, right?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:07 PM
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61. Exactly. The neocons AND their Rich accomplices...
don't give a f**ing damn about neither the pilots nor the rest of the crew. All they cared about (and still do) was this question: "how many millions will this bring me?"

look forward my a.. to look forward does not change anything
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:48 PM
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42. K & fookin' R
:kick:
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:19 PM
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43. Every time I hear about Yellow Cake
It reminds me of Dave Chappelle in Black Bush. "Mars Bitches"

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=11923&title=black-bush
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:21 PM
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44. Yes, there was a connection.
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:35 PM
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45. How the hell can a helo cost more than Air Force One?
Sure, it's no ordinary helicopter, blah blah blah... And 28 of them?!
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:35 PM
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46. some of us at DU figured this out 4-5 years ago...
dig in the archives...
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:47 PM
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47. Quick we need a truth commison before any more of this gets out!
Can't have any high power people being sent to jail..... That would just upset the applecart.

I fear there are many in the government who have a hand in this. I would guess some of them are pushing really hard to not get this to the world court.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:56 PM
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48. Megacorps (including Bushco): No loyalty to country, none. Our military are there to serve THEM...
... not the USA.

The utter betrayal of it all is nauseating. Cockroaches and rats have more honor.

Hekate


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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:35 PM
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50. A wonderful background from which to gain pespective on PLAME!
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 05:36 PM by Jackpine Radical
The Niger/Yellowcake/WMD work etc.--both Plame & Wilson were at the center of the cyclone.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 07:05 PM
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54. Incriminating stuff here about the helicopter contract
But I don't see anything in the story that links the contract with the forgeries. It would be great to see evidence of this. It would prove what many have long known, that the Bush cabal took an active role in producing phony evidence to sell the war.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:01 PM
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57. But what is the connection between Finmeccanica & Pollari/SIMSI?
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 08:07 PM by Marie26
That seems to be the missing link here.


ETA: Or not. It looks like Castellaneta, who arranged the meeting between Pollari & Rice/Hadley, is also the vice-chairman of Finmeccanica. Nice!


"Castellaneta, Giovanni

Brief Biography

Mr. Giovanni Castellaneta is performing as Member of the Board of Directors of Finmeccanica. He also acts as Member of the Strategy Committee of the Company. Previously, he served as Vice Chairman of the Company from October 14, 2004 until July 11, 2005. He has held various posts both in Italy and abroad. He is Secretary General with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs; Press and Cultural Attache in Paris; Deputy Permanent Representative for Geneva-based international organizations; Head of the Press and Information Service at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and Ambassador to Iran and Australia. He is also Diplomatic Advisor to the Italian Prime Minister, and acts as the Prime Minister’s Personal Representative for G7/G8 summits. Mr. Castellaneta is Italy’s Ambassador to the United States. He studied Law at Universita degli Studi di Roma La Sapienza, and entered the diplomatic service in 1967."


http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/officerProfile?symbol=SIFI.MI&officerId=545318
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 06:06 AM
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78. Take a look at starroute's post 33...
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:33 PM
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58. Italy prosecuted 26 CIA Agents accused of
running rendition operations in Italy. I never heard the results of the trial. I wonder what the connection is between these two issues.
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_milan_kidnap.htm

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suzanner Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:48 PM
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59. this was out in 2003 wasn't it?
...and during the Libby trial...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:55 PM
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you'd think the american media would show a hint of interest.....crickets
after all, it's their country too
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:55 PM
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60. dupe
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 08:56 PM by spanone
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:09 PM
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62. Look at the guest list at the Bush Dinner for Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 09:10 PM by nc4bo
**Partial List** but all of the attendees can be found at the link.


http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/bush_dinner_for_italian_prime.html



Bush dinner for Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi guest list
By
Lynn Sweet
on October 13, 2008 7:03 PM

THE WHITE HOUSE
OFFICE OF THE FIRST LADY

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 13, 2008

GUEST LIST FOR THE OFFICIAL DINNER
IN HONOR OF HIS EXCELLENCY
SILVIO BERLUSCONI, PRIME MINISTER OF THE ITALIAN REPUBLIC

THE PRESIDENT and MRS. BUSH

The Honorable Richard Cheney, Vice President of the United States
The Honorable Lynne V. Cheney, Spouse of The Honorable Richard Cheney

The Honorable Rudolph W. Giuliani, Chairman and CEO, Giuliani Partners
Mrs. Judith Giuliani, Spouse of The Honorable Rudolph W. Giuliani

Mr. Pier Francesco Guarguaglini, President and CEO, Finmeccanica

His Excellency Giovanni Castellaneta, Ambassador of the Italian Republic to the United States
Mrs. Lila Castellaneta, Spouse of His Excellency Giovanni Castellaneta

The Honorable Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State, Department of State

The Honorable Stephen J. Hadley, Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, National Security Council
Mrs. Ann Hadley, Spouse of The Honorable Stephen J. Hadley

The Honorable Michael Mukasey, Attorney General, Department of Justice
Mrs. Susan Mukasey, Spouse of The Honorable Michael Mukasey

Mrs. Wendy Paulson, Spouse of The Honorable Henry M. Paulson, Secretary of the Treasury

The Honorable Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, United States House of Representatives
Mr. Paul Pelosi, Spouse of The Honorable Nancy Pelosi

The Honorable Dana Perino, Assistant to the President and Press Secretary, Office of the Press Secretary
Mr. Leo Perino, Father of The Honorable Dana Perino

Dr. Giovanni Perissinotto, CEO, Generali Insurance
Ms. Alessandra Brizzi, Spouse of Mr. Giovanni Perissinotto




Pelosi? Really? Oh wait, nothing to see here just a bunch of fun loving Italians celebrating the evening Right?....(or having a farewell, job-well-done dinner.)

I know, probably reading much more into this. I'm silly. Silly me.

:silly:

:tinfoilhat:

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 05:46 PM
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89. bttt-Berlusconi owned the magazine that spread a lot of the neocon disinfo about the forgeries
:tinfoilhat:
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:21 PM
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65. K&R this must read. n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:40 PM
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97. Yep, bttt.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:32 PM
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66. A message to AG Holder
Prosecute or you and the Obama administration will be complicit.....
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:33 PM
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67. Holy Cow
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:08 PM
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69. K&R. nt
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:28 AM
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71. Glad to see this come out - there's gonna be a lot more to it, too, I'll bet.
And yah, it'll be interesting to see to what extent our media outlets cover this.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:30 AM
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72. K&R
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:07 AM
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73. Fucking slimy, lying, greedy republican imperialist.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:25 AM
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74. K&R'd!!!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:50 AM
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75. A July 2005 report to the Italian Parliment named 4 likely forgery suspects
Michael Ledeen, Dewey Clarridge, Ahmed Chalabi and Francis Brooke. There are numerous historical connections with this quartet going back to Iran-Contra (Ledeen introduced Manucher Ghorbanifar to Ollie North for example).

These 4 were a huge part of the Office of Special Plans/OSP.
Office of Special Plans (Right Web page)
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1594.html

OSP (Source Watch profile)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Office_of_Special_Plans

Karl Rove relied heavily on the foreign affairs "expertise" of Ledeen, author of "Universal Fascism".
So did Richard Cheney. The OSP was formed by Paul Wolfowitz who reported to Douglas Feith who reported to Cheney's mentor Donald Rumsfeld.

The OSP's leadership included Adm. William Luti and Abram Shulsky.

William Luti (Right Web profile)
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1278.html

Abram Shulsky (Right Web profile)
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1355.html

Francis Brooke is a very shadowy guy.
Francis Brooke (Source Watch page)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Francis_Brooke

DUer Vyan started an informative thread May 5, 2007
"What did Rice know (about the Niger Forgeries) and when did she know it...?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3251722

There is so much more to this Italian connection (timelines of events and people) that it is easy to spiral out and search for possible linkage with folks like Mel Sembler, Larry Franklin, David Addington, the hostage release of Italian communist reporter Giuliana Sgrena and the killing of Nicola Calipari (Italian Secret Service Baghdad chief who negotiated her release) by US forces in Baghdad, and many other "dots".

Thanks for starting this thread, Hissyspit, thought I'd add a bit to it. K&R.


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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:31 PM
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80. Don't neglect Duane "Dewey" Clarridge
Clarridge is an important part of the picture because he connects many elements. He was CIA station chief in Turkey in the late 60's and 70's and was then station chief in Rome until 1981. This puts him in the two countries where the CIA has been most strongly suspected of collaborating with local fascists in pursuit of an anti-Soviet agenda. He then became involved in Iran-Contra and more recently was tied in with Ahmed Chalabi.

Clarridge has also been close to Ledeen for many years. When Clarridge left the CIA in 1987 after being formally reprimanded, Ledeen used his connections to get him a job with General Dynamics. (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Michael_Ledeen#Dewey_Clarridge_On_Michael_Ledeen_and_.22The_Terror_Network.22)


http://www.counterpunch.org/homeland6.html

November 8, 2001

Ledeen had proposed illegal arms sales to Iran in 1984 through Mossad double agent Manucher Ghorbanifar. ... And to assure that no one else in the CIA would obstruct Reagan's secret policy, Casey in January 1986 conscripted veteran CIA officer Duane Clarridge into the Counter-Terror Network, as its de-facto security chief, and directed Clarridge to form the CIA's Counter-Terror Center, which exists until today. ...

Duane "Dewey" Clarridge, a man with an extensive background in terror, was well equipped for managing this job. A rabid right wing ideologue, he was chief of the CIA's station in Turkey in the late 1960s and 1970s, when the fascist Grey Wolves went on a terror rampage, bombing, shooting and killing thousands of officials, journalists, students, lawyers, labor organizers, social democrats, left-wing activists and Kurds. Since then, Turkey' military dictatorship has been one of America's strongest allies.

A body-builder and certified member of the Old Boy clique that runs the CIA, Clarridge in August 1976 helped ADDO Ted Shackley recruit Albert Hakim, later a member of Secord's Enterprise, to spy in Iran. (Shackley was soon thereafter forced into retirement due to his association with "rogue elephant" Ed Wilson, the CIA officer who sold tons of explosives to Libya.) Clarridge was serving as the CIA's station chief in Rome when the Pope was shot, and was chief of Latin America Division from 1981 until 1984, when Nicaraguan harbors were mined and the psyops "murder manual" was distributed to the Contras, with his approval. In this capacity Clarridge helped Richard Secord move PLO weapons captured by Israeli forces during their bloody invasion of Lebanon, through Noriega in Panama, to the Contras.

Clarridge, as chief of the Europe Division, next played a pivotal role in the illegal Iran-Contra operation, by providing the back channel, through his station chief in Lisbon, that allowed North and Secord's Enterprise to sell HAWK and TOW missiles to the Iranians, at a huge profit for Secord and his Israeli counterparts, in exchange for the release of several American hostages. The operation, which subverted the U.S. Constitution and the Bolland Amendments passed by Congress, made Ronald Reagan into the world's biggest, but most adorable, liar.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq-downing.htm

In November of 1993, Ahmad Chalabi, the leader of the Iraqi National Congress, presented the Clinton Administration with a detailed, four-phase war plan entitled "The End Game," along with a request for the money to finance the plan. In March, 1995, Chalabi's insurrection was launched, and failed dramatically. ...

Following the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks, and the quick success of Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan, the INC plan was modified. The new plan was developed with the help of a retired four-star Army general, Wayne Downing , and former CIA officer Duane (Dewey) Clarridge, who have served as unpaid consultants to the INC.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:30 PM
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85. I don't, and you hit a major nexus with post 33 about Stephen Bryen!
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 02:59 PM by bobthedrummer
:fistbump:
on edit:
"The Usual Suspects Pt 3: Dr. Stephen Bryen" (Daily KOS article posted 11-25-06)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/25/131019/09
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 08:03 PM
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92. Here's something else of interest regarding Bryen
The extent to which JINSA is entangled with military contractors in general seems to go beyond the general role of the Israeli Lobby, and I can't say I've ever gotten a clear picture of it. For example, here's something where Bryen was involved in what looks like a purely military-industrial complex project -- except that not only he but some of his JINSA pals, like Timmerman and Woolsey, were the ones behind it.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/business/soa/New-portal-Buy-the-big-guns-online/0,139023166,120100496,00.htm

13 October 2000

A group of former generals and Washington lobbyists are formulating plans to launch a Web site next quarter called DefenseHome, which will act as both information portal and marketing arm for the defense industry. . . .

"A lot of the things that happen in the defence industry start with people trying to get the right policies in place," said Stephen Bryen, the venture's president and former deputy undersecretary of defence for trade security. "Right now, it's extremely difficult to get a sophisticated message across to decision makers, especially if you're a smaller company or a foreign company. That's where this could become a tremendously valuable resource." . . .

Advisory board members include Lt. General Charles May, former assistant vice chief of staff of the US Air Force; General John Foss, former commanding general of the Training and Doctrine Command of the US Army; and James Woolsey, former head of the Central Intelligence Agency. . . .

While plans are still being finalised, Bryen said information likely will be organised around individual projects, such as the North American missile defence system. . . . The site will feature various layers of security for sensitive documents, but it is not designed to handle highly classified material. It will also feature defence industry news, coordinated by Kenneth Timmerman, a former Time Magazine investigative reporter and editor of several defence-oriented newsletters.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 10:21 AM
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79. Where is that article from the Italian press that outlined the whole scheme?
I'm trying to find it but can't remember the name of the Italian newspaper that printed it. It was about a former spy who got the seal from the Niger embassy.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:14 PM
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81. anyone?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:26 PM
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84. La Repubblica?
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 02:32 PM by bobthedrummer
Crude Niger forgeries surface in Italian paper
www.guardian.co.uk/media/2003/jul/17/pressandpublishing.iraq

on edit: you got to it first, again.
Check out starroute's post 33, Stephanie, about Stephan Bryen.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:34 PM
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86. thanks!
will do
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:24 PM
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82. La Republicca! Here's a summary of the story - I think there's a translation out there somewhere
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=10506

Today's exclusive report in La Repubblica reveals that Pollari met secretly in Washington on September 9, 2002, with then–Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley. Their secret meeting came at a critical moment in the White House campaign to convince Congress and the American public that war in Iraq was necessary to prevent Saddam Hussein from developing nuclear weapons. National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones confirmed the meeting to the Prospect on Tuesday.

Pollari told the newspaper that since 2001, when he became Sismi's director, the only member of the U.S. administration he has met officially is his former CIA counterpart George Tenet. But the Italian newspaper quotes a high-ranking Italian Sismi source asserting a meeting with Hadley. La Repubblica also quotes a Bush administration official saying, "I can confirm that on September 9, 2002, General Nicolo Pollari met Stephen Hadley."

The paper goes on to note the significance of that date, highlighting the appearance of a little-noticed story in Panorama a weekly magazine owned by Italian Prime Minister and Bush ally Silvio Berlusconi, that was published three days after Pollari's meeting with Hadley. The magazine's September 12, 2002, issue claimed that Iraq's intelligence agency, the Mukhabarat, had acquired 500 tons of uranium from Nigeria through a Jordanian intermediary. (While this September 2002 Panorama report mentioned Nigeria, the forgeries another Panorama reporter would be proferred less than a month later purportedly concerned Niger.)

The Sismi chief's previously undisclosed meeting with Hadley, who was promoted earlier this year to national security adviser, occurred one month before a murky series of events culminated in the U.S. government obtaining copies of the Niger forgeries.

The forged documents were cabled from the U.S. embassy in Rome to Washington after being delivered to embassy officials by Elisabetta Burba, a reporter for Panorama. She had received the papers from an Italian middleman named Rocco Martino. Burba never wrote a story about those documents. Instead her editor, Berlusconi favorite Carlo Rossella, ordered her to bring them immediately to the U.S. embassy.

Although Sismi's involvement in promoting the Niger yellowcake tale to U.S. and British intelligence has been previously reported, the series in La Repubblica includes many new details, including the name of a specific Sismi officer, Antonio Nucera, who helped to set the Niger forgeries hoax in motion.

What may be most significant to American observers, however, is the newspaper's allegation that the Italians sent the bogus intelligence about Niger and Iraq not only through traditional allied channels such as the CIA, but seemingly directly into the White House. That direct White House channel amplifies questions about a now-infamous 16-word reference to the Niger uranium in President Bush's 2003 State of the Union address -- which remained in the speech despite warnings from the CIA and the State Department that the allegation was not substantiated.

***

For the Italian middleman Rocco Martino, who acquired the documents from a Sismi mole at the Niger embassy in Rome, the motive described by La Repubblica is primarily mercenary. He wanted to be paid for the forgeries.

According to the Repubblica account, Martino was a former carabinieri officer and later a Sismi operative who by 1999 was making his living based in Luxembourg, selling information to the French intelligence services for a monthly stipend. The story goes on to explain how Martino renewed his contacts with Sismi officer Antonio Nucera, an old friend and former colleague, who was a Sismi vice-captain working in the intelligence agency's eighth directorate, with responsibilities involving weapons of mass destruction and counter-proliferation.

Precisely how Nucera, Martino, and two employees of the Niger embassy in Rome came together sometime between 1999 and 2000 to hatch the Niger forgeries plan is still somewhat mysterious. The newspaper's reports that Nucera introduced Martino to a longtime Sismi asset at the Niger embassy in Rome, a 60 year-old Italian woman described in La Repubblica only as "La Signora." Sismi chief Pollari, who granted the newspaper an interview (as he tends to do when he fears that breaking news could taint his agency), suggests that Nucera simply wanted to help out Martino, his old friend and colleague.

But as the Italian reporters suggest, that sounds like a very convenient excuse for the chief of an agency that was engaged in promoting the bogus Niger claims from their inception, all the way to the White House. The picture that emerges of Sismi's relationship with Martino is that the agency used him as a "postman" -- a cut-out to sell the bogus intelligence to allied intelligence services. At the same time, Sismi possessed enough information about Martino to claim that he was simply a rogue agent on the French payroll.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:17 PM
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87. Keep this kicked for the weekend-here are two more links worth data-mining
Democracy Now interview from 10-27-05
"Italian Media Reveals U.S. Officials Met With Italian Intelligence Officials To Discuss Fake Documents Citing Niger Nuke Sales To Iraq"
http://www.democracynow.org/2005/10/27/italian_media_reveals_u_s_officials

Truthout repost of Craig Unger Vanity Fair article (June 6, 2006)
"The War They Wanted, the Lies They Needed"
http://www.truthout.org/article/craig-unger-the-war-they-wanted-lies-they-needed
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 04:20 PM
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88. G_j posted a thread based on Robert Dreyfuss and Jason Vest's "The Lie Factory" that includes a
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 04:49 PM by bobthedrummer
graphic chart very useful for DU's researchers involved in this thread.

"The Lie Factory!" (started by G_j 10-17-05)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5080754
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 09:14 PM
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93. More background links, not off topic, fills in history and development of principles relationships
JINSA (Right Web page)
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1508.html

Comparison of JINSA Advisory Boards of August 2000 & March 2003 (Source Watch)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Jewish_Institute_for_National_Security_Affairs/Advisory_Boards_August_2000_%26_March_2003

Shoshana Bryen (Stephen Bryen's wife) Right Web profile
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1062.html

Excerpts from "How Much Are You Making On The War Daddy?: A Quick and Dirty Guide to War Profiteering in the Bush Administration" by William D. Hartung (Third World Traveler)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Corporate_Welfare/Perle_ThinkTanks_HMOWD.html

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:19 AM
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95. I'm shocked.
Shocked, I tell you.

:sarcasm:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 06:13 PM
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96. Related Ahmed Chalabi and Mel Sembler articles that fill-in some "gaps"
"Tinker, Banker, Neocon, Spy" by Robert Dreyfuss (11-18-2002 American Prospect)
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=6614

Mel Sembler Source Watch profile
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mel_Sembler

Yellowcake Forgery page from Source Watch
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Yellowcake_forgery
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 02:05 AM
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98. ^ ^^ ^
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:01 AM
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99. Bush lied America into war. That is TREASON.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 09:09 AM by Octafish
Investigate. Indict. Try. Convict. Imprison.

All of them, including Michael Ledeen.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:07 PM
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101. "Money trumps peace, sometimes..." kick
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:08 PM
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102. FUCKING. ARREST. THEM!
NOW!

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 03:11 AM
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103. If you want justice, keep this kicked...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 10:36 AM
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104. .
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106. Kick
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