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dos pelos Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:15 PM
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Mr. Obama..GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN
Just because we have Obamas' face on the old Bush wars makes them no less repellent.Sending 17,000 more troops to EXPAND the Afghanistan war is great mistake.What is going on? Obama is going to one up Bush at his own game? Or perhaps,Obama is just keeping a campaign promise? " I said I was going to do it,now I've done it".This is good?This shows great integrity?
Obama has indicated in his campaign that he was going to give us more central asian war than his predecessor, and delivered on the statement.THIS IS GOOD?This is commendable? You want this? Or perhaps Obama has to placate right wing militarist/financial constituencies in the government and must temporarily step up the pace of the war in order to eventually withdraw from it. That was Nixons' logic in Vietnam.
I voted for this guy.I support and would offer what blood and treasure I have in support of the principle of a legitimate war of national defense.This is not a necessary war. Obama is off track on the American presence in the Middle east.It is very disappointing to see little difference between the current administration and its' reactionary predecessor on this issue.

A little music to go with this rant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfjU3_XOaA

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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:22 PM
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1. Obama wants to get to Osama Bin Laden, Bush didn't.
And then there's the Taliban. Even if you deny that they sheltered and protected Bin Laden (and I think there's ample proof that they did), there was an EXCELLENT post here a while back about what the Taliban does to women, which makes anything Saddam Hussein ever did pale, PALE in comparison--it's a human rights DISASTER, comparable to Cambodia or Nazi Germany, and it's been well documented for years.

You can't lump the Afghanistan war in with the Iraq war. We're wrong to be Iraq, but in Afghanistan, I believe we're doing the right thing.
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dos pelos Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:26 PM
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2. Lots of bad folks out there,lest send troops there too..
Lets' start with Burma,nasty repressive government.North Korea,shall we send troops there? Sri Lanka,human rights violations going on.We're going to send in troops to protect people in these places too? NO.We're not.Why is that?
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:38 PM
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5. Because not ONLY is it a human rights disaster, but they're alligned with Bin Laden.
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 02:38 PM by Bicoastal
They shielded him in 2001, and there's reason to believe they're still protecting him and his operatives from discovery on the border. His daughter even married the Taliban leader's son for Chrissake! This isn't propaganda, it's well-established intelligence from 8-9 years ago when Bush actually could have done something and DIDN'T!

They're allies. That's why. The human rights thing is just added incentive. I'm sick of the Republicans talking and talking and talking about 9/11, but no backbone to actually deal with the people who are actually RESPONSIBLE for its aftermath! It's their fault we're so jaded about it today.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:08 AM
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32. So? If bin Laden is alive, he's in Pakistan
Why should we care about a backwards hidey-hole for terrorists that is useful only after a successful attack? Why not pay more attention to Hamburg, London, and south Florida, where the people who attacked us got their training and did their planning?
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:38 AM
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42. Actually, they offered to turn him over if given evidence of his crimes, .
to a third party. But sometimes facts don't matter. There were no Afghans involved in the plotting or actions, but people like you are all too happy to see them murdered.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:39 PM
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6. concerned about Afghan women?
see here::
http://www.rawa.org/rawa.html


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
and some important reading:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/03-13

Published on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 by The Nation

Helping Afghan Women and Girls
by Katrina Vanden Heuvel w/ Kavita Ramdas

As the coalition I'm working with--Get Afghanistan Right--continues to make the case that the Obama administration would be wise to rethink its plan to escalate militarily in Afghanistan, I've tried to engage the arguments made by some feminists and human rights groups who believe that such an escalation is necessary to protect Afghani women and girls. I share their horror when I read stories like this one by New York Times reporter Dexter Filkins describing an acid attack against girls and women--students and their teachers--at the Mirwais School for Girls. But how will escalation or increased US troop presence improve their security or make their lives better?
I thought it would be important to speak with someone who has experience working on the ground with Afghan women's organizations. Kavita Ramdas is President and CEO of the Global Fund for Women. For 15 years she has worked with groups like the Afghan Institute for Learning--which serves about 350,000 women and children in their schools, health care centers, and human rights programs.

This is what Kavita said:

We're hearing from groups we've worked with for over a 15 year period now, on the ground inside Afghanistan and with Afghan women's groups and Pakistan as well.

First, I think it's remarkable that our approach to foreign policy --not just for the last eight years, but with regard to Afghanistan and Pakistan in general over the last thirty years--has been almost entirely military focused. There hasn't been any willingness to take a cold hard look at how effective or ineffective that strategy has been in whether or not it has helped stabilize the country. And there has been much less attention paid to whether this militaristic approach has done anything positive for the women of Afghanistan. It's doubtful whether America's foreign policy has ever had the welfare of Afghan women at heart. As many Afghani women have said to us, 'You know, you didn't even think about us 25 years ago,' and then all of a sudden post 9-11, we're sending troops to Afghanistan and ostensibly we're very concerned about women. But there's very little willingness to really look at the implications of a military strategy on women's security. It is very important to begin with the following question: If the strategies that we used up to this point have not succeeded in ensuring the safety and well being of women and girls, what makes us think that increased militarization with 30,000 additional US troops is somehow going to improve the situation and security of women in Afghanistan?

The second question is, what has been the role of the existing troops in Afghanistan with regard to the situation and the security of women? In general, what happens when regions become highly militarized, and when there are "peace-keeping forces," militias, as well as foreign troops--which is NATO and the United States, primarily? In most parts of the world, highly militarized societies in almost every instance lead to bad results for women. The security of women is not improved and in many instances it actually becomes worse.

What do I mean by that? Take for example Afghanistan. In 2003, almost every woman's group I met with in Afghanistan, which was already a few years after the initial invasion, said that although they were very grateful for the fact that the Taliban was gone, the presence of foreign troops in Afghanistan in general and in Kabul in particular had highly increased the incidence of both prostitution as well as trafficking-- it's not one in the same thing. Prostitution in the sense of--being something "voluntary" because very poor women and girls would come down, particularly from the countryside where villages are in a state of absolute dire impoverishment...there's very little to eat, very little production...I talked to so many women and women's organizations who've said, young girls sleep with a soldier in Kabul for $40, $50, which is more than their mothers could make as a teacher in a full month. That's the incidence of prostitution as a function of--people call it in the women's movement "survival sex." The trading of sex for food on a survival basis.

What do I mean by that? Take for example Afghanistan. In 2003, almost every woman's group I met with in Afghanistan, which was already a few years after the initial invasion, said that although they were very grateful for the fact that the Taliban was gone, the presence of foreign troops in Afghanistan in general and in Kabul in particular had highly increased the incidence of both prostitution as well as trafficking-- it's not one in the same thing. Prostitution in the sense of--being something "voluntary" because very poor women and girls would come down, particularly from the countryside where villages are in a state of absolute dire impoverishment...there's very little to eat, very little production...I talked to so many women and women's organizations who've said, young girls sleep with a soldier in Kabul for $40, $50, which is more than their mothers could make as a teacher in a full month. That's the incidence of prostitution as a function of--people call it in the women's movement "survival sex." The trading of sex for food on a survival basis.

Then there is also trafficking which actually also increases because when there are military settlements, camps, barracks...criminal elements start bringing in women--forcibly or coercing them under other guises. Girls--in this case mainly from the Uzbek and Hazara tribes, as well as a number of Chinese girls in Kabul--are actually trafficked in to fill the "needs" of foreign troops. Very few Afghans can afford to actually pay for these kinds of services, so you have a situation where the main customers are the military troops.

Then you put on top of this the fact that there are all kinds of other armed militias and gangs moving around freely in the countryside because the more foreign troops there are, the more resistance there is going to be from indigenous forces--whether it's the Taliban, different kinds of mujahideen, different groups of ethnic tribal factions. Throughout history, whenever foreign troops are present, there will be resistance against those foreign troops in one way or another.

Those militias and militant groups are also armed, roaming and wandering, going randomly into villages, and targeting women as they please by sexually assaulting and raping. As for the incidents that you've been hearing about--whether it was the girls who got acid splashed on their faces that you read about in The New York Times-- these incidents have been going on for the last four or five years across the country. Girls going to school and teachers have been attacked, and under very various pretexts. Either the Taliban, mujahideen or various factions are attacking them for being "morally loose" or "promiscuous." These people are armed--and because war tends to infuse large amounts of testosterone into large groups of men, living and wandering around together--this does not create the safest of environments for girls in villages, for schoolteachers, for women of any kind--women working in the fields. And so, what we've been hearing reports of are random sexual attacks on women in villages, on girls walking to school, on teachers or other women who are working. So, attacks on women have increased, for all sorts of reasons--the most common one that we hear in the West is "Oh, these Islamic fundamentalists don't want women to work or study and so they're attacking them." But there are plenty of people who don't really care whether it's about Islam or not, they're just interested in showing their power by sexually abusing women.

One has to be very clear-eyed about why we are sending 30,000 troops. Quite frankly from a US government perspective, it's because we believe that the "bad guys"--Al Qaeda--are running riot in Afghanistan and somehow that Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and the extremists in Pakistan are all one in the same, and they're all collectively bad guys, so we need to go fight them.

I wish we could say to President Obama, "Yes Afghanistan needs troops--but it needs troops of doctors, troops of teachers, troops of Peace Corps volunteers, and troops of farmers to go and replant the fruit orchards. For anyone who grew up in India or Pakistan, Afghanistan was the place where you bought the best, incredible dried fruit in the world. Those orchards have been completely devastated. Afghanistan was not a country that just grew poppy for opium sales. It was a country that was forced into selling opium because it had nothing else.

So, we need a different kind of troop deployment in Afghanistan, we need a massive deployment of humanitarian troops. We need to invest in Afghanistan's economic infrastructure, in its agriculture. These are villages where people are literally not able to piece together anything that comes close to a subsistence living. Afghanistan is a country in which the maternal mortality rate is the second highest in the world after Sierra Leone. Why are we not sending in teams of doctors and midwives to train local women? We're not talking about a German Marshall Plan for Afghanistan. Instead, we're talking about--without a very clearly defined "enemy"--sending in 30,000 troops to look for this shadowy enemy and we're not even clear about what that enemy represents. Afghanistan has a very long and very proud history of having thrown out every foreign invader that was ever unfortunate enough to try to subdue them. Yet every political leader suffers from this historical amnesia, and seems to lack the willingness to look at the core structures within Afghanistan society. Afghanistan is a very non-centralized nation of very unique and independent small groups and clans that have never had a formally centralized government.

..more..
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:54 PM
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8. KnR for this post.
I agree with the OP but this post helps to confirm what I feel, that military escalation in Afghanistan is not the way to go-that there must be a better way. Thank you for this G_j
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:06 PM
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10. McCain knows where bin laden is and isn't telling
Isn't this why the 'terrorists' are being tortured?

I just read the other day that the majority of Afghanis believe that the US is playing both sides, perpetuating the war for their own purposes.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:13 AM
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35. Obama should send McCain to certain foreign prisons for questioning.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:09 PM
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11. Fuck Osama
That motherfucker is gone. His stink is not in any of the 'Stans. Word has it he's back in Saudi Arabia. Even if he were still sitting in a cave in Warzistan right now... H is not worth all this. I'm sorry, he's just not. If we send special forces after his gangly ass, I'm all for it, but you're not going to catch this one motherfucker by sending nearly twenty thousand extra troops, when the twenty thousand you already had couldn't do it in eight years.

As for the Taliban... I'd argue that Saddam was way worse than them as far as treatment of women goes. Not that this makes the Taliban good, of course. But out of all the nations were abuse of women is official, and rape "culture" is norm, why this one? And what on earth makes you think war is going to help women's rights? War has absolutely never done this. It does the opposite. War creates a social and cultural breakdown which is followed swiftly by women becoming targets and commodities of trade.

You can't fight the Taliban with military force. You can kill them, but not defeat them - there will always be more. They are a symptom. The treatment for the shit of the Taliban is a concerted effort to actually lift up the people of Afghanistan, province by province, to starve the Taliban and the psycho motherfucker warlords out of the picture. There was a time in the not-to-distant past when Afghanistan was a liberal, open social democracy where women were engaged and protected like anyone else. We fucked that up, and then the Russians came to help fuck it up, too.

We can fix it, I think. But not with an expanded war.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:12 AM
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33. That is just crap about Iraq
It used to be a secular country where women could decide if they wanted a headscarf, were well educated, and could work in any field. There was a slight statistical chance that you might get noticed by one of Saddam's psychopathic idiot sons, but that is not the same as a rape culture. The religious reactionaries now operating there were empowered by our invasion, and nothing else.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:05 AM
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31. Only if you think that social work is best done with an air war against civlians
Saving women from misogyny by burning them alive. Attacking any society empowers its most vicious, xenophobic, reactionary and misogynistic elements. That is what we are really doing. The US gave Bush 90% approval after the 9/11 attack. Why do you think the people of Afghanistan would be different in their response to a seven year war on the country? This is after 15 years of US support for the self-same reactionary whackjobs. You think maybe just because Americans have forgotten that then Afghanis have?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:12 AM
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34. Bin Laden is not in Afghanistan and we can't defeat the Taliban militarily. n/t
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:27 PM
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3. send in the drones
I'm not sure if 17,000 troops can handle that type of warfare. To keep the pipeline open it can be covered by drones and intelligence.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:31 PM
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4. Fuck that.
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 02:32 PM by blindpig
Let them get their own mercenaries. Oh, wait a minute.........
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:50 PM
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22. Problem: Drones can't tell the difference between militants and a wedding party or funeral march.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:44 PM
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26. Who gives a shit about keeping the pipeline open?
Really.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:51 PM
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7. Bush did nothing right.
Next question.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:05 PM
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9. talk about strawman
Lets' start with Burma,nasty repressive government.North Korea,shall we send troops there? Sri Lanka,human rights violations going on.We're going to send in troops to protect people in these places too? NO.We're not.Why is that?


Hmmm? Maybe becuase none of those countries we're involved protecting a group that attacked and killed 3,000 of our citizens. This isn't about the US trying to play world cop this could not be a more legitimate war of national defense. I don't believe containment will work in this situation.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:19 PM
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13. Then if we're out to get a small group of people, bin Ladin and his buddies
Then that should be a police action, not a full scale invasion. All that we have done over the past seven years with these invasion tactics is destabilize one country to the point where it is about to go under and sending another country in that direction.

Our very act of invading is what turned a majority of these people towards the Taliban, yet you expect more of the same to solve the problem? Sorry, but that ranks right up there with fucking for virginity as the most utterly useless strategy ever.

This is not your typical war of bullets and bombs. This is a war of ideas, of ideologies, and because we came to an ideological fight with a gun instead of a better idea, we're losing, badly.

An example: A few months ago there was a horrible earthquake in the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region. Thousands were left out in the cold without food or shelter, not far from US outposts, well within airlift range. A modicum of humanitarian supplies would have been an immense help to these people, and would have won over a number of converts to our side. Yet the US did nothing, instead leaving the field to a terrorist group who rolled in a large convoy of humanitarian supplies, and those people are now supporters of that particular terrorist group. We lost that battle, badly, and we've been losing battles like that for the past seven years because the US is fighting the wrong war the wrong way.

History is repeating itself, and once again we're trying to fight an ideological battle using planes and guns. We made this mistake in Vietnam, (you should read the Ugly American, it is still relevant today) and we're making it again today. As long as we continue to fight this battle with guns and physical force, we're going to lose. Thus, we need to either get smart real quick and start fighting the right war with the right weapons, or we need to get the fuck out and save ourselves from draining our treasury and killing thousands more needlessly.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:20 PM
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14. So when are you enlisting? n/t
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:44 PM
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15. 135,576 American military personnel were KIA
in Europe between D-Day & V-E Day. There are Nazi's still in Argentina and that country is harboring these haters of America's democracy! Shouldn't we be invading Argentina? ( :eyes: )

If this is about preserving America, about defending our way of life from actions by those who would destroy that way of life, how does blowing our economy all to hell factor in in the process?

Lest we forget, the Soviet Union's economy foundered on the rocks of Afghanistan...how does following their example help our cause?

Granted, OBL and his gang should be ferreted out! Granted, we should have gone after him right after 9-11. Instead of this, we chose to occupy Afghanistan and then Iraq, we chose to spend our $$ to bring about change in Afghanistan more-so than spending our $$ to find OBL and bring him to justice.

Bringing change to Afghanistan through military action has cost America's economy greatly, this is clearly a bad course that needs changing. We The People deserve to have our tax $$ spent more judiciously lest history repeat itself and we follow the Soviet Union's example.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:14 PM
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12. Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline -
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 03:27 PM by TBF
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:46 PM
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16. That pipeline is designed to transport oil and natural gas to Pakistan and India from Turkmenistan.
It's not like the pipeline is designed to bring oil to the US or Europe.

Why is the current system (tankers, I assume) for getting oil to India and Pakistan preferable to a pipeline? You could make a case that a pipeline through Afghanistan, Pakistan and into India would give those governments a reason to cooperate with each other which would not be a bad thing in that part of the world.

The wikipedia link indicated that the Taliban signed on to the project in 1998. It's not like the Taliban opposed it and gave us a reason to want to get rid of them. If I was Unocal (one of the leaders of the group), I might prefer the Taliban to rule Afghanistan. They approve of the pipeline and would be the most effective at providing security for it. The current government couldn't prevent the Taliban from blowing the pipeline up, if it ever got built.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 07:42 PM
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23. The current government couldn't prevent the Taliban from blowing the pipeline up, if it ever got bui
This is the key part of your answer. Maybe the current government is not going to be there much longer.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:37 PM
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24. But if the Taliban supports the pipeline project and could protect it, if in power,
where does the theory that our military is only there because of a pipeline, come from? Our military is supporting a government that cannot protect the pipeline and fighting the Taliban which could and would protect it, if we just let them retake the government.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:35 PM
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27. If US companies want to build a pipeline through there they will also want someone
in power there that is hospitable to our interests. Maybe we want to put in people of our choosing. Wouldn't be the first time.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:36 PM
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17. K&R
There is NO defined Military Objective,
&
NO Exit Strategy.

There is NO justification for a US Military Presence in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Period.

Bring OUR children HOME NOW!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:39 PM
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18. anyone who agrees with staying in Afghanistan
should
support a draft
send themselves over there by enlisting
demand that their own children enlist
or
stfu
nothing more tiresome then armchair warmongers who want to send other peoples kids.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 11:16 AM
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43. You tell it! The Brits couldn't do it, the Russians couldn't conquer them, and we won't either.
Let's get the hell out of there.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:41 PM
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19. I agree
Bin Laden has been dead for years
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:47 PM
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21. exactly! nt
:hi:
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:45 PM
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20. Here's another reason why he should get his troops out of Afghanistan.
We can't afford it.

There are better things to do with all that money he's wasting on that country (and Iraq). Such as universal health care, universal free higher education, clean energy, national public transportation, etc...
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:40 PM
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25. K&R
Ain't called the Graveyard of Empires for nuthin'.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:51 PM
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:55 PM
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29. Yeah, you'll last long here
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 11:57 PM by TornadoTN
Hey, welcome to DU...don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out - Stormfront is that way.

Also - ACORN? What's next? - He's a closet Muslim not born in the USA, right?

So predictable
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:14 AM
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36. Our trolls aren't as good as they used to be.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:16 AM
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30. I just heard about this today .......
http://www.embassyofafghanistan.org/02.20marriott.html

Investment News

Marriott Hotel Coming to Kabul

Afghanistan will soon welcome Marriott Hotels to its growing list of international business partners. Marriott intends to provide the best accommodations for foreign investors and Afghan nationals with a full range of facilities and services, such as a business center, a 1,000 person capacity ball room, seminar and meeting facilities, and an outstanding health facility. The hotel, expected to be open for business by 2009, will be located in Kabul with easy access to the city’s main airport as well as to foreign embassies and local government offices.

The Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) recently approved a loan for the construction of a 209-room, five-star hotel in Kabul. This loan will underwrite $60 million of the $80 million investment made by General Systems International (GSI), a Delaware-based company, for this project. GSI aims to work with the widest range of Afghan suppliers of materials, equipment, and services. It also expects to maximize use of Afghan expertise in construction management and architecture. The hotel design will reflect historic Afghan architecture. The hotel’s management will be entrusted to Marriott International.

Additionally, this project is anticipated to spawn the construction of several hundred homes for low income families. The hotel is expected to generate 270 permanent jobs for local Afghans and will implement a training program for all employees. Through this, Marriott International hopes to introduce efficient management practices to the Afghan hotel industry. This project sends a message of confidence in Afghanistan’s future development to other prospective investors and will certainly boost reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan. For further information visit: http://www.opic.gov/news/pressreleases/2007/pr011907.asp

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:17 AM
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37. Fuck the entire middle east. They would be just another shithole 3rd world region
if it weren't for all that oil they are sitting on. They are usually too busy killing eachother over religion or tribal fueds to worry about the USA. Leave and they will go back to fighting over stupid shit. Which would be good, btw. The more they focus on killing eachother, the less they will want to attack us.
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Baikonour Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:24 AM
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38. Afghanistan has been a hell hole since 500 BC.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:26 AM
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39. Exactly. No amount of military intervention or foreign aid will change that.
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 03:27 AM by anonymous171
Just leave and let them do whatever they want.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:28 AM
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40. This troll has lasted too long.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:38 AM
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41. I always viewed Afghanistan as a Legitimate War of National Defense
Thats why Im willing to give him some time here.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:00 PM
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45. It wasn't and isn't a legitimate war. Please do some research. Our being in Afghanistan
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 12:02 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
has Nothing to do with Bin Laden. In fact, the Taliban offered to turn Bin Laden over to a third party country.

A TIMELINE OF OIL AND VIOLENCE AFGHANISTAN

http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/Timeline.htm

History's lesson to be learned. Afghanistan helped destroy the USSR and we can go down that same path so very easily.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 11:51 AM
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44. Amazing! Send in our troops to protect the poppy business for Bushco.
THIS is what it is all about.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:43 PM
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46. damn right. thank you for this post. nt
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