Octuplets mother's home in forcelosure threat (and Duggar's comments...)

[uppityperson]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hKcVuwdAbgq7hPa97SFYK8LW5lvw

The California home of an unemployed woman who triggered an outcry after giving birth to octuplets is under threat of foreclosure, legal documents showed Thursday.

The three-bedroom property in suburban Los Angeles, owned by the mother of 'octo-mom' Nadya Suleman, could be auctioned in June after a default notice was filed on February 9 indicating loan arrears of more than 23,000 dollars. The gossip and entertainment news website TMZ.com reported that Suleman's mother, Angela, had made no payments on the property since May.
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Under guidelines issued by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine (ASRM), a woman Suleman's age should have no more than two embryos implanted.

Experts say multiple-birth babies are often born prematurely -- Suleman's octuplets were born nine-and-a-half weeks early -- which puts them at significantly greater risk of long-term health problems. The Medical Board of California is investigating the case.

Edited to add Duggar's comments...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/20/duggar.parents.qanda/

blech...(more@ link)

[Warpy]

1. I don't care how she whined and moaned,

inserting more than 2 fertilized ova at a time was highly unethical. The doc and clinic are lucky they didn't kill her. That's why the medical board is investigating and why their licenses should be pulled.

Still, it's comforting to know she's out of eggs and notorious enough that no clinic will touch her in the future.

I understand she's been looking at million dollar houses in California to house her brood, so perhaps she's attracted a benefactor.

[jmg257]

2. Last I saw this AM, she has some backing now.

[LisaM]

3. Duggars don't seem to be taking much responsibility here

for the unholy example they are setting.

[Spouting Horn]

4. At least the Duggar's

pay for their own.

The octuplets mother, otoh, is unwed (yes, it's is actually better for children if their father is married to their mother) survives on the generosity of the taxpayer.

[uppityperson]

5. "t's is actually better for children if their father is married to their mother"? No.

It is better for the children to have a functional set of parents than dysfunctional married mother/father.

Unless you assume that simply being married somehow makes people be decent functioning humane parents. I don't.

[Dervill Crow]

7. It sure would be nice for all kids to have two functional parents.

I can't argue with that.

[MichaelHarris]

15. That argument

has already been struck down in Kramer v Kramer.


I really need to get a more reality based education instead of a Hollywood one.

[Spouting Horn]

10. No, it doesn't in and of itself

but facts show that children who grow up in a household with their married parents do better in school, are less likely to abuse drugs, are less likely to engage in criminal behavior, are less likely to be abused...the list goes on and on.

[uppityperson]

25. I think that is backwards. People in a stable positive home tend to stay married, kids do better.

Which is not the same as "children who grow up in a household with their married parents do better in school, are less likely to abuse drugs, are less likely to engage in criminal behavior, are less likely to be abused".

[RB TexLa]

6. so if someone is getting beaten by their spouse they should stay because

as you put it, "yes, it's is actually better for children if their father is married to their mother"



I hope you really don't think that is an absolute.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

11. A piece of paper does not a marriage make.

You cannot make some one love you, respect you, or be nice to you.

Does not work.

Take stwo to work at a marriage.

If one partner is emotionally absent, the marriage is doomed.

I know.

[LisaM]

17. The Duggars take plenty of handouts

You don't see Mom and Dad setting off to a job every morning. And people give them lots of stuff.

They are freeloaders who manage to put a lot of foundation, blush, mascara, and yes, lipstick, on their greed.

[MattBaggins]

18. Are the Duggars "paying for their own"?

Or did Duggar use his time as a Congressman to line his pockets or get some good "investment deals"?

[Number23]

28. That's right. The Duggars may have enough kids to form their own village

but they did it the old-fashioned way -- one or maybe two at a time. And those children are loved and obviously well provided for. My heart goes out to Octomom's MOTHER as she is the one who is obviously having the hardest time right now.

I ain't never having 18 kids, but if you gotta do it, the Duggar way seems to be the best way. ((shuddering at the very thought of having 18 kids))

[Dervill Crow]

8. I think they are as crazy as octo-mom.

But maybe that's just my opinion. :shrug:

[marshall]

21. Interesting that the Duggers are so nonjudgmental

There's so many barbs they could have gotten in, and Behar certainly gave them the segue for it--unmarried mother, not even a boyfriend in the picture, eight babies at once, and the unspoken fact that she's a Muslim and likely to bring down a worldwide fatwa on her head.

The Duggers sound grounded and decent compared to Suleman.

[DeschutesRiver]

30. I saw the interview too

I was surprised that they pretty much stayed out of the octomom's face on this - sometimes you just don't expect religious folk who are serious to the fundie extreme to be quiet about how they view someone with radically different beliefs and perspectives.

When asked about debt, said they had none now, after doing some churchy program where they paid it down and off over time, and started buying everything used - sounded like some christian Dave Ramsey theme, in their terms it was a "buy used, save the difference" philosophy they turned to once they got out of debt. Said they bought that g'normous kid van for $2,500 at an auction, same for a bunch of other stuff. Said it was probably much easier the way they did it, to assimilate just one more child at a time, than to have to do the work for 8 new kids all at once dropping in.

We have a large family in the neighborhood, maybe up to 8 or 10 now, strictly religious (7th Day Adventists?), and the whole family works its collective ass off, all the time, in a family biz in the construction trade. Or at whatever extra jobs they need to earn a living. They are one of the hardest working families I've seen around here - no handouts, no "help" other than church related, and they do the whole Duggar deal of going to other states and countries to help build churches and schools yearly. They are vegetarians and live voluntarily without electricity. They've had family issues like everyone, but dang, they are one happy group of campers. You don't "give" things to them - they believe they should be giving to others, and do so on a more regular basis than I see others doing.

It isn't my bag at all, since I am not a believer, but of all the religious types I know (we have some rapture readies here too), they are also unjudgmental and secure in their particular beliefs enough that they just don't get into other's faces over things (unlike our local raptures and others). They are what they are, they like who they are, they like each other's company, and they don't think work is a dirty word, just another life activity. I've seen worse situations.

[niyad]

9. since octo-mom is, in the words of her former publicist "a good christian woman"-- one

would think her church and her jebus would step in and help her.

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. "Jebus" sent Gloria Allred to the rescue!

"Jebus" spoke to Allred's heart, and told her to step in and help out.

Who's to say?

:hide:

[kskiska]

14. Octo-Who? Church Not Helping Suleman

Officials at a Southern California church said they have received media inquiries regarding the assistance for a woman who gave birth to eight children.

There's one problem: none of the church officials said they have met Nadya Suleman.

"Our church is not membership-driven," the church said in a statement posted on its website. "Therefore we are unable to confirm or deny whether she actively attends Calvary Chapel Golden Springs.

"We can say, however, that no one currently on staff knows her.

"And to the best of our knowledge, Miss Suleman's only contact with us was a minor inquiry regarding our children's ministry."

more…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29184116/

[onlyadream]

13. They're all nuts...

The octomom must have issues to have six and then want one more (being a single mom). Then she gets 8 more, ugh. Seriously, HOW is she going to take care of them all?
As for the Duggars - I've watched their show and Michele Duggar acts as if she had a lobatomy. I just don't get it. :crazy:

[tabbycat31]

16. I agree about Michelle Duggar

someone needs to take the kool-aid away from that family

[MattBaggins]

19. She gave herself an emotional lobotomy years ago.

She had to have done that to treat her uterus like a clown car. I have two little ones and I am pretty sure three would put me in the funny farm. I really think she has shutdown and just turned off the "bad emotions" involved with child rearing; the anger, frustration and sleeplessness. You can't be a stay at home mom with no outside life of your own with that many kids running around unless you go zombie mode and turn off the emotional spigot. The problem with it is that you can't turn off the negative emotions without turning off the good ones. Her smiles and love the world attitude is manufactured and robotic. When her walls break down she is either heading for the funny farm, or is going to take an axe to her family.

[Sheltiemama]

22. She never gets mad.

On one of their shows, a relative said she'd never seen Michelle get mad. She'd never heard her raise her voice.

I read their book (don't judge me!), and Michelle actually seems to be the brains of the operation. Every bad business decision they've made can be traced back to Jim Bob acting rashly without talking it over with Michelle.

Lesson No. 1: Don't marry a man named Jim Bob.

[MattBaggins]

26. Her never getting mad isn't a good thing;

it's a warning bell. She isn't some super composed uber mom. She is bottling everything up and has made a robo mom out of herself.

[Sheltiemama]

27. No, it certainly isn't normal.

Or healthy.

[onlyadream]

23. wow, I wonder if they'll air that!

She also homeschools ALL of them!!!! Can you imagine that?

[Sheltiemama]

24. Logistics.

Besides the religious reasons they homeschool the kids, can you imagine the logistics of getting that many kids off to school every morning? Homeschooling would be more practical.

[onlyadream]

29. I don't know

I homeschooled one of my kids for 2 years and that was hard! I'd rather they go to school...

[Raine]

20. I've watched them too

and just once I would like to hear Michele Duggar's voice rise about that monotone little girl whisper, I find them all creepy but she's the creepiest. *gag*

[carlyhippy]

31. I'm sure the Duggars are not judging too harshly

but they had their kids one or two at a time, and they can afford to take care of their kids, this woman cannot. She is now looking at a 1.2 million dollar home that is for sale in Whittier, it has a pool even. We will be paying for it in taxes.